CDZ The two biggest mistakes of George W. Bush

[DandyDonovan]

Oh I see the thread is about Bush , so it is perfectly acceptable for you to lie about what other politicians did or did not do?

By the way, let me educate you on the law here. The President has the SOLE authoirity to conduct military operations as long as they don't last more than 90 days from build up to draw down. Bush did that, what he went to Congress to seek, and got, was the authority to stay engaged in Iraq for longer than that. Congress gleefully agreed that it was the right thing to do. If they had voted no, Bush would have had to by law pull the US military out of Iraq. So CONGRESS made the decision to allow Bush to remain in Iraq.

This is the exact same reason Congress must vote periodically to remain engaged in the war on terror that we are allegedly fighting.

Once again

The decision to initiate military action was Bush’s and Bush’s alone
Stop trying to pass the blame

No one is passing the blame. You are just dishonestly trying to claim that Congress didn't agree with him.

Damn, you would think that in a sub forum that I was led to believe was meant for more serious conversation that such dishonesty could be avoided.

Thread is about Bush

How he lied to Congress is s different story

Lied to Congress? They had access to the same intel he had. That you want to excuse them for coming to the same conclusion that Bush came to matters not.

They had access to the info from Bush’s selective CIA releases

Is there a point at which you finally concede that "okay yes members of Congress supported the invasion of Iraq?" I mean it's obvious to the rest of us.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Once again

The decision to initiate military action was Bush’s and Bush’s alone
Stop trying to pass the blame

No one is passing the blame. You are just dishonestly trying to claim that Congress didn't agree with him.

Damn, you would think that in a sub forum that I was led to believe was meant for more serious conversation that such dishonesty could be avoided.

Thread is about Bush

How he lied to Congress is s different story

Lied to Congress? They had access to the same intel he had. That you want to excuse them for coming to the same conclusion that Bush came to matters not.

They had access to the info from Bush’s selective CIA releases

Is there a point at which you finally concede that "okay yes members of Congress supported the invasion of Iraq?" I mean it's obvious to the rest of us.

hehheh It is very rare to see a democrat admit to an error on a message board...even if they know they are wrong...they feel so obligated to follow the party line.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Oh I see the thread is about Bush , so it is perfectly acceptable for you to lie about what other politicians did or did not do?

By the way, let me educate you on the law here. The President has the SOLE authoirity to conduct military operations as long as they don't last more than 90 days from build up to draw down. Bush did that, what he went to Congress to seek, and got, was the authority to stay engaged in Iraq for longer than that. Congress gleefully agreed that it was the right thing to do. If they had voted no, Bush would have had to by law pull the US military out of Iraq. So CONGRESS made the decision to allow Bush to remain in Iraq.

This is the exact same reason Congress must vote periodically to remain engaged in the war on terror that we are allegedly fighting.

Once again

The decision to initiate military action was Bush’s and Bush’s alone
Stop trying to pass the blame

No one is passing the blame. You are just dishonestly trying to claim that Congress didn't agree with him.

Damn, you would think that in a sub forum that I was led to believe was meant for more serious conversation that such dishonesty could be avoided.

Thread is about Bush

How he lied to Congress is s different story

Lied to Congress? They had access to the same intel he had. That you want to excuse them for coming to the same conclusion that Bush came to matters not.

They had access to the info from Bush’s selective CIA releases

Well, of course the CIA made a bad assessment of the situation in Iraq....Bush almost fired the head guy....but let him stay on for some reason....George Tenet I refer to.

Someone else that should have been sacked after 9/11 was his national security advisor...condoleeza still a darling of the establishment republicans....whilst al-qada was plotting the attack she was concentrating on Russia...had no clue to who posed the biggest threat....shows how close the establishment republicans and democrats are....still to this day the democrats want to focus on Russia....whilst China and the fanatical muslims are our biggest threats.

scott ritter - Google Search

Irregardless....Hussein was a bad guy but as another pointed out previously......he could have been gotten rid of in a much easier way without the huge cost of that war which bankrupted our economy.

A good special ops team could have snatched him or assasinated him.

Bush being a idiot had to listen to people...he had no clue about much of anything and he got some very bad advice on Iraq. I remember old man bush responding to a question regarding whether bush jr. was qualified...and the old guy said....oh he will have all kinds of experts to guide him. But as we know even experts will differ on just about everything...so the real problem was that we had a moron deciding who was right or who was wrong....he usually went with the last person to whisper in his ear. So pathetic.

Now we have a truly great and very intelligent president and the media has duped about half the country into believing that he is even worse than bush.

 

[jwoodie]

Bush was trying to eat his cake and have it too. He wanted to depose Sadaam and turn Iraq into a Western-style democracy at the same time. We should have sealed off Iraq into four or five military zones (e.g., Kurds, Baghdad, North and South-UK) and allowed each of them to demonstrate administrative competence. In the meantime, we should have established a permanent military base to counter Iran and demanded oil revenue as recompense.

 

[Faun]

1. Invading Iraq instead of Iran

2. Touting islam is a religion of peace.

Iraq was not a sponsor of terrorism as Iran was and is...officially designated as a state sponsor of terrorism and who claims to have many sleeper terrorist cells in America just waiting for orders.

All muslims are not terrorists but how do you tell a good muslim from a bad one?

Our immigration dept. certainly does not know how to do that. Yet we still allow them to come here and trot back and forth to the Middle East after they get here.

It took us 9 years to finish the job in Iraq. And that was in a country 1/3rd the size of Iran and without the allies Iran has at their side. Not invading Iran was the one smart thing Bush did.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again

The decision to initiate military action was Bush’s and Bush’s alone
Stop trying to pass the blame

No one is passing the blame. You are just dishonestly trying to claim that Congress didn't agree with him.

Damn, you would think that in a sub forum that I was led to believe was meant for more serious conversation that such dishonesty could be avoided.

Thread is about Bush

How he lied to Congress is s different story

Lied to Congress? They had access to the same intel he had. That you want to excuse them for coming to the same conclusion that Bush came to matters not.

They had access to the info from Bush’s selective CIA releases

Is there a point at which you finally concede that "okay yes members of Congress supported the invasion of Iraq?" I mean it's obvious to the rest of us.

Different issue

The thread is about the decisions Bush made

Iraq was his decision

 

[rightwinger]

1. Invading Iraq instead of Iran

2. Touting islam is a religion of peace.

Iraq was not a sponsor of terrorism as Iran was and is...officially designated as a state sponsor of terrorism and who claims to have many sleeper terrorist cells in America just waiting for orders.

All muslims are not terrorists but how do you tell a good muslim from a bad one?

Our immigration dept. certainly does not know how to do that. Yet we still allow them to come here and trot back and forth to the Middle East after they get here.

It took us 9 years to finish the job in Iraq. And that was in a country 1/3rd the size of Iran and without the allies Iran has at their side. Not invading Iran was the one smart thing Bush did.

We have no reason to invade Iran

 

[rightwinger]

Once again

The decision to initiate military action was Bush’s and Bush’s alone
Stop trying to pass the blame

No one is passing the blame. You are just dishonestly trying to claim that Congress didn't agree with him.

Damn, you would think that in a sub forum that I was led to believe was meant for more serious conversation that such dishonesty could be avoided.

Thread is about Bush

How he lied to Congress is s different story

Lied to Congress? They had access to the same intel he had. That you want to excuse them for coming to the same conclusion that Bush came to matters not.

They had access to the info from Bush’s selective CIA releases

Well, of course the CIA made a bad assessment of the situation in Iraq....Bush almost fired the head guy....but let him stay on for some reason....George Tenet I refer to.

Someone else that should have been sacked after 9/11 was his national security advisor...condoleeza still a darling of the establishment republicans....whilst al-qada was plotting the attack she was concentrating on Russia...had no clue to who posed the biggest threat....shows how close the establishment republicans and democrats are....still to this day the democrats want to focus on Russia....whilst China and the fanatical muslims are our biggest threats.

scott ritter - Google Search

Irregardless....Hussein was a bad guy but as another pointed out previously......he could have been gotten rid of in a much easier way without the huge cost of that war which bankrupted our economy.

A good special ops team could have snatched him or assasinated him.

Bush being a idiot had to listen to people...he had no clue about much of anything and he got some very bad advice on Iraq. I remember old man bush responding to a question regarding whether bush jr. was qualified...and the old guy said....oh he will have all kinds of experts to guide him. But as we know even experts will differ on just about everything...so the real problem was that we had a moron deciding who was right or who was wrong....he usually went with the last person to whisper in his ear. So pathetic.

Now we have a truly great and very intelligent president and the media has duped about half the country into believing that he is even worse than bush.

You missed the number one bad guy

Dick Cheney
He got the intelligence he demanded on Iraq and squashed any intelligence that did not support an invasion

 

[MacTheKnife]

Bush was trying to eat his cake and have it too. He wanted to depose Sadaam and turn Iraq into a Western-style democracy at the same time. We should have sealed off Iraq into four or five military zones (e.g., Kurds, Baghdad, North and South-UK) and allowed each of them to demonstrate administrative competence. In the meantime, we should have established a permanent military base to counter Iran and demanded oil revenue as recompense.

Excellent ideas.

 

[MacTheKnife]

1. Invading Iraq instead of Iran

2. Touting islam is a religion of peace.

Iraq was not a sponsor of terrorism as Iran was and is...officially designated as a state sponsor of terrorism and who claims to have many sleeper terrorist cells in America just waiting for orders.

All muslims are not terrorists but how do you tell a good muslim from a bad one?

Our immigration dept. certainly does not know how to do that. Yet we still allow them to come here and trot back and forth to the Middle East after they get here.

It took us 9 years to finish the job in Iraq. And that was in a country 1/3rd the size of Iran and without the allies Iran has at their side. Not invading Iran was the one smart thing Bush did.

I disagree. If were going to invade anyone it should have been Iran....a state sponsor of terrorism. We would not have had to worry about any of their allies. They would not have been capable of doing anything.

Now they are getting stronger and pose a major threat to Israel as well as to Europe as they have tested missles capable of hitting Europe.

 

[Faun]

1. Invading Iraq instead of Iran

2. Touting islam is a religion of peace.

Iraq was not a sponsor of terrorism as Iran was and is...officially designated as a state sponsor of terrorism and who claims to have many sleeper terrorist cells in America just waiting for orders.

All muslims are not terrorists but how do you tell a good muslim from a bad one?

Our immigration dept. certainly does not know how to do that. Yet we still allow them to come here and trot back and forth to the Middle East after they get here.

It took us 9 years to finish the job in Iraq. And that was in a country 1/3rd the size of Iran and without the allies Iran has at their side. Not invading Iran was the one smart thing Bush did.

I disagree. If were going to invade anyone it should have been Iran....a state sponsor of terrorism. We would not have had to worry about any of their allies. They would not have been capable of doing anything.

Now they are getting stronger and pose a major threat to Israel as well as to Europe as they have tested missles capable of hitting Europe.

Even without their allies, they are 3 times bigger than Iraq and had a better equipped army. It took us 9 years to squash an insurgency of several tens of thousands of poorly armed insurgents. Invading Iran would have been a disaster.

 

[rightwinger]

1. Invading Iraq instead of Iran

2. Touting islam is a religion of peace.

Iraq was not a sponsor of terrorism as Iran was and is...officially designated as a state sponsor of terrorism and who claims to have many sleeper terrorist cells in America just waiting for orders.

All muslims are not terrorists but how do you tell a good muslim from a bad one?

Our immigration dept. certainly does not know how to do that. Yet we still allow them to come here and trot back and forth to the Middle East after they get here.

It took us 9 years to finish the job in Iraq. And that was in a country 1/3rd the size of Iran and without the allies Iran has at their side. Not invading Iran was the one smart thing Bush did.

I disagree. If were going to invade anyone it should have been Iran....a state sponsor of terrorism. We would not have had to worry about any of their allies. They would not have been capable of doing anything.

Now they are getting stronger and pose a major threat to Israel as well as to Europe as they have tested missles capable of hitting Europe.

If we were going to invade anyone it should have been Saudi Arabia

They were the heart and soul of AlQaeda

 

[MacTheKnife]

Saudia Arabia works with us.......Pompeo: America Has An Important Ally In The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia

 

[MacTheKnife]

1. Invading Iraq instead of Iran

2. Touting islam is a religion of peace.

Iraq was not a sponsor of terrorism as Iran was and is...officially designated as a state sponsor of terrorism and who claims to have many sleeper terrorist cells in America just waiting for orders.

All muslims are not terrorists but how do you tell a good muslim from a bad one?

Our immigration dept. certainly does not know how to do that. Yet we still allow them to come here and trot back and forth to the Middle East after they get here.

It took us 9 years to finish the job in Iraq. And that was in a country 1/3rd the size of Iran and without the allies Iran has at their side. Not invading Iran was the one smart thing Bush did.

I disagree. If were going to invade anyone it should have been Iran....a state sponsor of terrorism. We would not have had to worry about any of their allies. They would not have been capable of doing anything.

Now they are getting stronger and pose a major threat to Israel as well as to Europe as they have tested missles capable of hitting Europe.

Even without their allies, they are 3 times bigger than Iraq and had a better equipped army. It took us 9 years to squash an insurgency of several tens of thousands of poorly armed insurgents. Invading Iran would have been a disaster.

The Iranian people want freedom....they want to get rid of the current regime and the fanatical corrupt mullahs.....theilr military could have been easily dealt with. We have stood by and let them continue to build their military and their proxy forces.

The Obama regime is responsible for what Iran has morphed into...the most dangerous force in the entire middle east not to mention their agents in America.

Liberman to Mattis: Iran is ‘greatest threat’ in Middle East ‘and beyond’

 

[rightwinger]

Saudia Arabia works with us.......Pompeo: America Has An Important Ally In The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia

They were behind 9-11

 

[MacTheKnife]

Saudia Arabia works with us.......Pompeo: America Has An Important Ally In The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia

They were behind 9-11

Not the Rulers......just some radicals from there......they are working hard to get rid of the radicals.

he attempted assassination of Saudi Arabia’s counter terrorism chief, Prince Muhammad Bin Nayif, Thursday in Jidda raises disturbing questions about whether al Qaeda’s Saudi branch is recovering from the fierce crackdown Nayif oversaw in the last five years

Al-Qaeda’s New Murder Plot

 

[rightwinger]

Saudia Arabia works with us.......Pompeo: America Has An Important Ally In The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia

They were behind 9-11

Not the Rulers......just some radicals from there......they are working hard to get rid of the radicals.

he attempted assassination of Saudi Arabia’s counter terrorism chief, Prince Muhammad Bin Nayif, Thursday in Jidda raises disturbing questions about whether al Qaeda’s Saudi branch is recovering from the fierce crackdown Nayif oversaw in the last five years

Al-Qaeda’s New Murder Plot

Just like they were not behind the murder of Khosheggi

They were complicit in the rise of radical Islam as long as they stayed in power

 

[MacTheKnife]

Saudia Arabia works with us.......Pompeo: America Has An Important Ally In The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia

They were behind 9-11

Not the Rulers......just some radicals from there......they are working hard to get rid of the radicals.

he attempted assassination of Saudi Arabia’s counter terrorism chief, Prince Muhammad Bin Nayif, Thursday in Jidda raises disturbing questions about whether al Qaeda’s Saudi branch is recovering from the fierce crackdown Nayif oversaw in the last five years

Al-Qaeda’s New Murder Plot

Just like they were not behind the murder of Khosheggi

They were complicit in the rise of radical Islam as long as they stayed in power

They ignored them for a long time....no longer.

The U.S.-Saudi Arabia counterterrorism relationship

 

[MacTheKnife]

Saudia Arabia works with us.......Pompeo: America Has An Important Ally In The Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia

They were behind 9-11

Not the Rulers......just some radicals from there......they are working hard to get rid of the radicals.

he attempted assassination of Saudi Arabia’s counter terrorism chief, Prince Muhammad Bin Nayif, Thursday in Jidda raises disturbing questions about whether al Qaeda’s Saudi branch is recovering from the fierce crackdown Nayif oversaw in the last five years

Al-Qaeda’s New Murder Plot

Just like they were not behind the murder of Khosheggi

They were complicit in the rise of radical Islam as long as they stayed in power

Journalists come and go...not of overall importance...he was not an American Citizen, he was not killed in America.....let Turkey and Saudia Arabia deal with it.

Khashoggi was Not a Friend of America

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Apparently, illegal invasions don't matter to some people. The U.S. is entitled to just carry out any military action any time anywhere, being above international law and morality.
This is not another ridiculous 'left-right' issue. True conservatives, the kind that respect America's origins, certainly oppose such grotesque martial swaggering. Anyone 'liberal' would as well.

What illegal invasions?

Yes, I am opening you a great big hole to dump your ignorance in!