The Trump "So What" Defense.

I've heard several Trump supporters say that even if everything Trump has been accused of is true - it's not impeachable. Is that a reasonable defense? What do you think?

It has long been obvious that Republicans would ultimately converge on this final defense of President Trump: Even if he did everything he has been accused of doing, and perhaps a lot more that we don’t know about, it’s absolutely fine!

We now have a particularly ugly preview of what this defense may look like, as Trump’s Senate trial gets underway. On Sean Hannity’s Thursday night show, former Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus said:

Sometimes the best defense is the ‘so what’ defense. If everything the Democrats said is true, it’s still not impeachable. If everything Lev Parnas said is true, it’s still not impeachable. That’s what this is about.

What’s truly perverse here is that if Trump did nothing wrong, then no one could speak to that more forcefully than the witnesses Democrats want to hear from, and who Trump and McConnell desperately do not. If withholding the aid was correct on the merits, why not hear from those directly involved in that decision?

The answer is that Trump and McConnell know Trump did engage in profoundly corrupt, impeachable conduct. Trump used the power of his office — and the conditioning of official acts, including withholding hundreds of millions in appropriated military aid from a vulnerable ally — to strong-arm that ally into manufacturing disinformation to corrupt the 2020 election on his behalf.

More: Hannity previews Trump’s final defense: So what if he’s guilty?
It's utter bullshit. His loyal oompah loompahs will buy it, but nobody else.
What Biden did threatening to with hold aid from Ukraine unless they fired the attorney investigating Biden's son, apparently was completely legal. There was an actual Quid Pro Quo. Biden threatened and extorted Ukraine, and Ukraine got Hunter Biden off the hook.
Crap on a crutch, this thing again?

It wasn't Biden, son. It was the whole Western world. And it wasn't for Biden's benefit.

How many times do you morons need to be told the same damn thing?
Joe Biden, a member of The Executive Branch during The Obama Administration did have The Constitutional Power to Threaten to With Hold Foreign Aid.

Trump also threatened to with hold Foreign Aid from El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatamala, and Mexico and in Fact DID SO until they complied.

Where are charges that The President abused his power with respect to El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico?
 
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I've heard several Trump supporters say that even if everything Trump has been accused of is true - it's not impeachable. Is that a reasonable defense? What do you think?

It has long been obvious that Republicans would ultimately converge on this final defense of President Trump: Even if he did everything he has been accused of doing, and perhaps a lot more that we don’t know about, it’s absolutely fine!

We now have a particularly ugly preview of what this defense may look like, as Trump’s Senate trial gets underway. On Sean Hannity’s Thursday night show, former Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus said:

Sometimes the best defense is the ‘so what’ defense. If everything the Democrats said is true, it’s still not impeachable. If everything Lev Parnas said is true, it’s still not impeachable. That’s what this is about.

What’s truly perverse here is that if Trump did nothing wrong, then no one could speak to that more forcefully than the witnesses Democrats want to hear from, and who Trump and McConnell desperately do not. If withholding the aid was correct on the merits, why not hear from those directly involved in that decision?

The answer is that Trump and McConnell know Trump did engage in profoundly corrupt, impeachable conduct. Trump used the power of his office — and the conditioning of official acts, including withholding hundreds of millions in appropriated military aid from a vulnerable ally — to strong-arm that ally into manufacturing disinformation to corrupt the 2020 election on his behalf.

More: Hannity previews Trump’s final defense: So what if he’s guilty?
It's utter bullshit. His loyal oompah loompahs will buy it, but nobody else.
What Biden did threatening to with hold aid from Ukraine unless they fired the attorney investigating Biden's son, apparently was completely legal. There was an actual Quid Pro Quo. Biden threatened and extorted Ukraine, and Ukraine got Hunter Biden off the hook.
Crap on a crutch, this thing again?

It wasn't Biden, son. It was the whole Western world. And it wasn't for Biden's benefit.

How many times do you morons need to be told the same damn thing?
Joe Biden, a member of The Executive Branch during The Obama Administration did have The Constitutional Power to Threaten to With Hold Foreign Aid.

Trump also threatened to with hold Foreign Aid from El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatamala, and in Fact DID SO.

Where are charges that The President abused his power with respect to El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico?
You're repeating bullshit talking points, not reality.
 
Bullshit rhetoric like this becomes what dims then refer to as facts. And think they can get away with it. Good luck with whatever geriatric they put up against him.


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It is the truth as many Republicans admit to not even reading the charges

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I watched everything. It’s bullshit and you know it. I really hope that shitt, polosi, schrumer, nads, and some other idiots get subpoenaed to testify. It would be interesting to see them destroyed, and fall flat on their incompetent lying faces. It time to put up or STFU! But you pussies won’t be satisfied, just the same as hiltard losing the election. Manufactured facts are not facts.


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RW is use to kangaroo courts, he feels uncomfortable with an honest court.
Will Senate proceedings be a kangaroo court?

McConnell has repeatedly indicated they will be
If the Clinton Impeachment rules for the Senate were considered a Kangaroo Court....yes.

But, the Schiff House rules were definitely considered a Kargaroo court.
The House impeachment was perfect
 
I'm not going there and say so what if Trump's guilty. The Articles are total partisan bullshit. So why even give Nancy a talking point?
Article-2 is dead, the USSC killed it. Trump does have the right of due process, and that is NOT "Obstruction of the House"
Article-1 is dead, hearsay evidence is NOT allowed in the senate.

What part of Due Process was denied?
Where have you been? The House proceedings did not give Due Process....as the rules according to Schiff.
The minority did not have their day like the Nixon impeachment proceedings and the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Trump was invited to participate
He declined

Then declared the proceedings to be a sham
 
6 cases

1.) Joe Biden threatens to with hold Aid to Ukraine unless Ukraine fires the prosecutor investigating his son.

Ukraine fires the prosecutor.
Congress takes no Action.

2.) President Trump threatens to with hold aid to Guatemala unless they enforce their own immigration law.

Guatemala complies
Congress takes no Action.

3.) President Trump threatens to with hold aid to Honduras unless they enforce their own immigration law.

Honduras complies
Congress takes no Action.

4.) President Trump threatens to with hold aid to El Salvador unless they enforce their own immigration law.

El Salvador complies
Congress takes no Action.

5.) President Trump threatens to with hold aid to Mexico unless they enforce their own immigration law.

Mexico complies
Congress takes no Action.

6.) President Trump asks the Government of Ukraine to look in to corruption per the joint Anti-Corruption treaty between us.

Ukraine takes no action.
The Pelosi Lead House of Representatives goes postal and demands impeachment and investigations after spending 3 years investigating Russian Collusion only to have it proven to be a hoax, and failing at impeachment after The Mueller Report turned out to be a Dud.

One wonders why there was such an interest in Ukraine and money it was getting that even The Slightest Delay sent Pelosi and Friends in to epileptic fits.

My conclusion?

The Obama Administration and Friends, had insider trading going on in The Ukraine, and they lost a ton of money over the delay of Foreign Aid, and that is why they cared at all about it.
 
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You answer with further incompetence.

That reason is not listed anywhere in articles of impeachment.
Nor does it have to be for us to know whats motivating you

Again your incompetence fails you.
Sorry but you are mistaken as usual

Not at all.
Your dopey generalization as to what is motivating the impeachment is indicative of a mind that is unable to grasp and understand the series of events that has led us to where we are. So, instead of outing yourself as dumb as shit by saying you don't understand, you, not unlike your retarded bretheren, opt instead to hide behind the relative safety of a handful of dopey narratives.

IOW, failure by incompetence.
I know liberals do not like to hear it

the truth makes you look petty and vindictive

but you are motivated and driven by lies about trump

Continued incompetence.
 
It is the truth as many Republicans admit to not even reading the charges

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I watched everything. It’s bullshit and you know it. I really hope that shitt, polosi, schrumer, nads, and some other idiots get subpoenaed to testify. It would be interesting to see them destroyed, and fall flat on their incompetent lying faces. It time to put up or STFU! But you pussies won’t be satisfied, just the same as hiltard losing the election. Manufactured facts are not facts.


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RW is use to kangaroo courts, he feels uncomfortable with an honest court.
Will Senate proceedings be a kangaroo court?

McConnell has repeatedly indicated they will be
If the Clinton Impeachment rules for the Senate were considered a Kangaroo Court....yes.

But, the Schiff House rules were definitely considered a Kargaroo court.
The House impeachment was perfect


Only to Democrats, and monkeys.
 
Nor does it have to be for us to know whats motivating you

Again your incompetence fails you.
Sorry but you are mistaken as usual

Not at all.
Your dopey generalization as to what is motivating the impeachment is indicative of a mind that is unable to grasp and understand the series of events that has led us to where we are. So, instead of outing yourself as dumb as shit by saying you don't understand, you, not unlike your retarded bretheren, opt instead to hide behind the relative safety of a handful of dopey narratives.

IOW, failure by incompetence.
I know liberals do not like to hear it

the truth makes you look petty and vindictive

but you are motivated and driven by lies about trump

Continued incompetence.
I disagree
 
I'm not going there and say so what if Trump's guilty. The Articles are total partisan bullshit. So why even give Nancy a talking point?
Article-2 is dead, the USSC killed it. Trump does have the right of due process, and that is NOT "Obstruction of the House"
Article-1 is dead, hearsay evidence is NOT allowed in the senate.

What part of Due Process was denied?
Where have you been? The House proceedings did not give Due Process....as the rules according to Schiff.
The minority did not have their day like the Nixon impeachment proceedings and the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Trump was invited to participate
He declined

Then declared the proceedings to be a sham
The proceedings were a sham when Schiff made up the impeachments rules.
 
Trumpdrones are too stupid to fathom language used by the framers of the constitution leaving them too stupid to understand an impeachment proceeding -

ergo;

"who cares" leads their defense.
 
Again your incompetence fails you.
Sorry but you are mistaken as usual

Not at all.
Your dopey generalization as to what is motivating the impeachment is indicative of a mind that is unable to grasp and understand the series of events that has led us to where we are. So, instead of outing yourself as dumb as shit by saying you don't understand, you, not unlike your retarded bretheren, opt instead to hide behind the relative safety of a handful of dopey narratives.

IOW, failure by incompetence.
I know liberals do not like to hear it

the truth makes you look petty and vindictive

but you are motivated and driven by lies about trump

Continued incompetence.
I disagree

Of course you do.
 
Trumpdrones are too stupid to fathom language used by the framers of the constitution leaving them too stupid to understand an impeachment proceeding -

ergo;

"who cares" leads their defense.
Yea, its as if who cares about the constitution.
Just dispense with it and install Trump as king.
 
I'm not going there and say so what if Trump's guilty. The Articles are total partisan bullshit. So why even give Nancy a talking point?
Article-2 is dead, the USSC killed it. Trump does have the right of due process, and that is NOT "Obstruction of the House"
Article-1 is dead, hearsay evidence is NOT allowed in the senate.

What part of Due Process was denied?
Where have you been? The House proceedings did not give Due Process....as the rules according to Schiff.
The minority did not have their day like the Nixon impeachment proceedings and the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Trump was invited to participate
He declined

Then declared the proceedings to be a sham
The proceedings were a sham when Schiff made up the impeachments rules.
Trump rages about impeachment on Twitter, but he has Republicans to blame for the rules
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...er-he-has-republicans-blame-rules-ncna1078921
 
I'm not going there and say so what if Trump's guilty. The Articles are total partisan bullshit. So why even give Nancy a talking point?
Article-2 is dead, the USSC killed it. Trump does have the right of due process, and that is NOT "Obstruction of the House"
Article-1 is dead, hearsay evidence is NOT allowed in the senate.

What part of Due Process was denied?
Where have you been? The House proceedings did not give Due Process....as the rules according to Schiff.
The minority did not have their day like the Nixon impeachment proceedings and the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Trump was invited to participate
He declined

Then declared the proceedings to be a sham

No one would participate in anything, when not being charged. The burden of evidence, is on the accuser. The proceedings were a sham. Who gives a shit about a liberal professor, spouting off on a soapbox. There were no witnesses. There was no one there who had firsthand knowledge, or even spoke with the president. Hearsay doesn’t work. Exercising ones rights, doesn’t make one guilty.


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Trumpdrones are too stupid to fathom language used by the framers of the constitution leaving them too stupid to understand an impeachment proceeding -

ergo;

"who cares" leads their defense.

Starting tomorrow you’re going to fathom the language, shove it up your ass legal scholars.


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I'm not going there and say so what if Trump's guilty. The Articles are total partisan bullshit. So why even give Nancy a talking point?
Article-2 is dead, the USSC killed it. Trump does have the right of due process, and that is NOT "Obstruction of the House"
Article-1 is dead, hearsay evidence is NOT allowed in the senate.

What part of Due Process was denied?
Where have you been? The House proceedings did not give Due Process....as the rules according to Schiff.
The minority did not have their day like the Nixon impeachment proceedings and the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Trump was invited to participate
He declined

Then declared the proceedings to be a sham
The proceedings were a sham when Schiff made up the impeachments rules.
Trump rages about impeachment on Twitter, but he has Republicans to blame for the rules
Opinion | Trump has the GOP to blame for the impeachment rules he hates so much
Who cares about where you want to place blame. The rules were a sham and stacked against the president....PERIOD!
There was no Due Process, not a day or an hour for the minority. Kangaroo Court
 
What part of Due Process was denied?
Where have you been? The House proceedings did not give Due Process....as the rules according to Schiff.
The minority did not have their day like the Nixon impeachment proceedings and the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Trump was invited to participate
He declined

Then declared the proceedings to be a sham
The proceedings were a sham when Schiff made up the impeachments rules.
Trump rages about impeachment on Twitter, but he has Republicans to blame for the rules
Opinion | Trump has the GOP to blame for the impeachment rules he hates so much
Who cares about where you want to place blame. The rules were a sham and stacked against the president....PERIOD!
There was no Due Process, not a day or an hour for the minority. Kangaroo Court

guess why there was no due process -

it wasnt a criminal trial ........... DDDDDUUUUUHHHHH

NO INDICTMENT
NO JUDGE
NO JURY

AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING .
 
Where have you been? The House proceedings did not give Due Process....as the rules according to Schiff.
The minority did not have their day like the Nixon impeachment proceedings and the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Trump was invited to participate
He declined

Then declared the proceedings to be a sham
The proceedings were a sham when Schiff made up the impeachments rules.
Trump rages about impeachment on Twitter, but he has Republicans to blame for the rules
Opinion | Trump has the GOP to blame for the impeachment rules he hates so much
Who cares about where you want to place blame. The rules were a sham and stacked against the president....PERIOD!
There was no Due Process, not a day or an hour for the minority. Kangaroo Court

guess why there was no due process -

it wasnt a criminal trial ........... DDDDDUUUUUHHHHH

NO INDICTMENT
NO JUDGE
NO JURY

AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING .
First impeachment proceedings that didn't let the minority have their due process. What was Schiff trying to cover up? The truth?
Why would he and Nan change the rules to limit the minority? Sounds like they wanted to railroad Trump in a Kangaroo Court.
 

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