Toronado3800
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Toranado: Capitalism has left the just mildly above average American so well off they can afford a new kidney tomorrow if they need one?
Brutus: who can say what the real price would be under capitalism. Remember, nothing was affordable to Russians and Chinese before capitalism. All things are much cheaper under capitalism.
Toronado: Brutus there is a problem with the math for health insurance companies. The cost of newer treatments is going up faster than incomes are going up. At some point there will either be folks deciding "well that new heart will cost my wife our home, I don't need one".
Brutus: as I said, who can say what the real cost of anything is when there is no competition.
Toronado: By forcing everyone to buy insurance every day of their lives the theory is we put off that date a little bit longer. This gives time for a new specialty called "how to make this affordable" time to catch up.
Brutus: no idea what you are talking about?? Only capitalism makes things affordable. Always remember the USSR and Red China. China switched to capitalism and instantly saved 10's of millions from slow starvation.
Toronado: BTW, when I think of capitalism and small government I think of Mexico. Not a very nice place to be.
Brutus: capitalism requires law and order. It can't function with out it. We have had it here thanks to religion.
Toranado: We flourished in the post New Deal era for a number of reasons. One is we ended up with a middle class.
Brutus: a middle upper and lower class is assumed. I have no idea what your point is.
Keep in mind basically I am a capitalist.
Remember 9/12/2001? Socialist controls made fuel affordable for your car. Amend your statement to "Capitalism with socialist controls and the fear of a popular revolution makes things affordable."
Capitalism requires law and order? Laws sound like the first step to the left regulating what folks can and can't do.
The problem with the math....how to explain.... is we all want the latest and greatest treatment. This gallbladder removal I had was not available to my great grandfather when he was 30 so he did not have to worry about spending money on it. He just had pain and died sooner. My children may be able to rid themselves of arthritis for $$$,$$$. An expense I do not have. They also may have a $$$,$$$,$$$ cure for Alzheimer's. Something I may just suffer from and die. These will all be increased costs to their health insurance company.
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