universal singlepayer not unconstitutional

Discussion in 'Healthcare/Insurance/Govt Healthcare' started by Old Rocks, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. Old Rocks
    Online

    Old Rocks Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    46,533
    Thanks Received:
    5,421
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    Ratings:
    +10,359
    Jack Roberts is a former GOP candidate for Governor of Oregon.

    The brewing court battle over health care reform | OregonLive.com

    Even without creating a government health insurance system, Congress could simply have imposed a tax dedicated to health care with an exemption for people who provided proof of insurance for themselves and their dependents. The exemption could be justified since people with insurance are, through their premiums, already helping cover part of the cost of uncompensated health care for the uninsured.

    The individual mandate essentially works the same way, since it is enforced only by a fine assessed on individual tax returns. Unfortunately, its supporters were so afraid their opponents would accuse them of raising taxes they went out of their way to make it clear that the fine imposed was a penalty and not a tax.

    If Democrats were thereby hoping to protect themselves politically, they clearly miscalculated. The question now is whether the Supreme Court will get hung up on obscure theories of commerce clause jurisprudence to strike down something that could have been easily accomplished under another label.

    Meanwhile, the specter for Republicans is the knowledge that if it turns out an individual mandate isn't constitutional, a single-payer government health plan clearly is.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 2
  2. driveby
    Offline

    driveby Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    8,836
    Thanks Received:
    2,305
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Ratings:
    +2,325
    Any democrat facing re-election will sprint away from the words single payer........
     
  3. Old Rocks
    Online

    Old Rocks Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    46,533
    Thanks Received:
    5,421
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    Ratings:
    +10,359
    By 2012, given the actions of this Congress, we may see an equal groundswell in the other direction.
     
  4. uscitizen
    Offline

    uscitizen Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2007
    Messages:
    45,941
    Thanks Received:
    4,791
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    My Shack
    Ratings:
    +4,807
    Of course they will they will get no political contributions from the health care/ins industry.
     
  5. Charles_Main
    Offline

    Charles_Main AR15 Owner

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2008
    Messages:
    16,692
    Thanks Received:
    2,238
    Trophy Points:
    88
    Location:
    Michigan, USA
    Ratings:
    +2,251
    Clearly it is not Unconstitutional. However that still does not make it a good idea.

    However, the Individual Mandate in ObamaCare Clearly is Unconstitutional. The Reason, is with the Mandate the GOvernment is forcing you to buy something from a Private Company. With universal Health care the government would be providing you with health insurance.

    Not even close to the same thing.

    The Mandate is not only not legal, it is simply not an effect way to address the problem. Essentially what it attempts to do is solve the problem of people not having health care, simply by making it law that they get Insurance with out effectively addressing the cost issue, which is why so many people go without as it is.

    It simply is not the way to do it. Period.
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  6. driveby
    Offline

    driveby Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Messages:
    8,836
    Thanks Received:
    2,305
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Ratings:
    +2,325
    Wrong, it's because the ass kicking they took in November will look like a swedish massage compared to what will happen if they start openly pushing that garbage.........
     
  7. auditor0007
    Offline

    auditor0007 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    12,566
    Thanks Received:
    2,255
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Toledo, OH
    Ratings:
    +3,218
    Bottom line is this; as costs continue to rise, and it becomes completely unaffordable for even the middle class, there will be a groundswell of support to move toward single pay. It's just a matter of time, because nobody, and I mean nobody is even close to addressing the problem of costs that continue to spiral out of control.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 2
  8. Bern80
    Offline

    Bern80 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2004
    Messages:
    8,094
    Thanks Received:
    720
    Trophy Points:
    138
    Ratings:
    +726
    ....which single payer will only make worse. It's one thing to ignore costs. It's entirely another to enact leglislation that is only going to exacerbate that problem.
     
  9. Quantum Windbag
    Offline

    Quantum Windbag Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2010
    Messages:
    58,308
    Thanks Received:
    5,014
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +5,221
    Yet the Democrats ran like a scared rabbit from single payer, didn't they? You want to know why? Or are you just an idiot that thinks he already knows the answer?
     

Share This Page