The single biggest problem with Obamacare.

"What is called sound economics is very often what mirrors the needs of the respectably affluent." J. K. Galbraith

The biggest problem with free enterprise is power. A concept worshippers of this particular ideology fail to recognize in their blind faith.

"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." John Kenneth Galbraith

The biggest problem with Universal Healthcare in America is the corporate tools, also known as republicans and democrats, and their tools many of whom post here.

"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and powerful, and to despise, or, at least neglect persons of poor and mean conditions... is... the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments." Adam Smith

The biggest problem with free enterprise is it brought us the Great Depression, constant booms and busts, and recently a near collapse of our economy.

"What improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconveniency to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." Adam Smith 'The Wealth of Nations,' Book I Chapter VIII

The biggest problem with UHC is it was not broad enough in its coverage of all Americans and caved into the interests of the powerful corporations who today control our political body due to the quest for reelection and the money required to bribe the fools, aka tools.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...-all-your-questions-on-uhc-5.html#post1422612

The trouble with UHC today is Americans have lost their 'can do' spirit as they sit in front of the boob tube, tweet nonsense, read corporate think tank BS, listen to diluted baloney from corporate media, and are generally too lazy, spoiled, and preoccupied with personal narcissistic crap to speak up for ALL Americans and to do the right thing.

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Proverbs 31:8-9

And see my sig.
 
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Auditor0007: There is very little in our healthcare system that even remotely resembles "free enterprise".

Brutus: that is why it is bankrupting the nation. Now you know why liberal management failures caused the Chinese, for example, to switch to free enterprise.

You see, at a certain point one has the IQ to understand that free enterprise encourages lower prices and better service. In fact this is how America got to be the richest country in human history.
 
Free enterprise has left 30+ million plus people without the ability to purchase adequate health insurance.

Brutus: of course that comment is testimony to your low IQ. In fact, liberals made free enterprise illegal in the health care industry.
 
Free enterprise has left 30+ million plus people without the ability to purchase adequate health insurance.

Brutus: of course that comment is testimony to your low IQ. In fact, liberals made free enterprise illegal in the health care industry.

You're insulting my IQ but you can't figure out how to properly quote a message on this forum. Bwahahahaha!! Thanks for that laugh.

As for your "response". Could you be any more vague? Please. Half of your response is an attempted insult the other half you merely restate your original post. I'm glad you have sound reasoning and support to go along with your original statement. :eusa_eh:
 
Auditor0007: There is very little in our healthcare system that even remotely resembles "free enterprise".

Brutus: that is why it is bankrupting the nation. Now you know why liberal management failures caused the Chinese, for example, to switch to free enterprise.

You see, at a certain point one has the IQ to understand that free enterprise encourages lower prices and better service. In fact this is how America got to be the richest country in human history.

The Chinese switch allowing more free enterprise in the healthcare field has made a complete mess of their healthcare system. You should actually read up on this. They have much bigger problems than we do.
 
Tornado: At least a good honest system which demands folks pay into insurance their whole working lives will make freeloaders pay for SOMETHING.

Brutus: fine, but that does nothing to increase quality and lower prices. Health insurance stocks are up since BO care!! Capitalism creates wealth, not a mandate.

Tornado: The alternative is letting capitalism rule and allowing me to open a city of hospitals which will throw your broke butt out on the street the moment you can't pay any longer.

Brutus: of course as we know from the Cuban,USSR and Red Chinese example that capitalism makes things cheap and of very high quality so everyone can afford to pay for almost everything.
 
RDD: You're insulting my IQ but you can't figure out how to properly quote a message on this forum. Bwahahahaha!! Thanks for that laugh.

Brutus: strawman fallacy

RDD: As for your "response". Could you be any more vague? Please. Half of your response is an attempted insult the other half you merely restate your original post. I'm glad you have sound reasoning and support to go along with your original statement.

Brutus: as a liberal you lack the IQ to understand capitalism or free enterprise so why not ask a question like: why is capitalism better than socialism.
 
It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

So I guess you think the US military is also anti-American for the same reason then. :rolleyes:

It'd biggest problem is the mandate, which the Federal government does not have the authority to enforce. Period.
 
Manifold: So I guess you think the US military is also anti-American for the same reason then.

Brutus: I don't think anyone in history said a military could be or should be macro managed by free enterprise principles. Are you nuts??

Manifold: It'd biggest problem is the mandate, which the Federal government does not have the authority to enforce. Period.

Brutus: the IRS will hire 12,000 new agents to collect the tax, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
RDD: You're insulting my IQ but you can't figure out how to properly quote a message on this forum. Bwahahahaha!! Thanks for that laugh.

Brutus: strawman fallacy

RDD: As for your "response". Could you be any more vague? Please. Half of your response is an attempted insult the other half you merely restate your original post. I'm glad you have sound reasoning and support to go along with your original statement.

Brutus: as a liberal you lack the IQ to understand capitalism or free enterprise so why not ask a question like: why is capitalism better than socialism.

Thank you for reminding me why I enjoy coming back to this site time after time. :lol:
 
RDD: You're insulting my IQ but you can't figure out how to properly quote a message on this forum. Bwahahahaha!! Thanks for that laugh.

Brutus: strawman fallacy

RDD: As for your "response". Could you be any more vague? Please. Half of your response is an attempted insult the other half you merely restate your original post. I'm glad you have sound reasoning and support to go along with your original statement.

Brutus: as a liberal you lack the IQ to understand capitalism or free enterprise so why not ask a question like: why is capitalism better than socialism.

Thank you for reminding me why I enjoy coming back to this site time after time. :lol:

Brutus: because as a liberal you lack the IQ for substance?
 
RDD: You're insulting my IQ but you can't figure out how to properly quote a message on this forum. Bwahahahaha!! Thanks for that laugh.

Brutus: strawman fallacy

RDD: As for your "response". Could you be any more vague? Please. Half of your response is an attempted insult the other half you merely restate your original post. I'm glad you have sound reasoning and support to go along with your original statement.

Brutus: as a liberal you lack the IQ to understand capitalism or free enterprise so why not ask a question like: why is capitalism better than socialism.

Thank you for reminding me why I enjoy coming back to this site time after time. :lol:

Brutus: because as a liberal you lack the IQ for substance?

Sorry bout that,

1. My intelligence is not the question here sir!
2. Brutus the Barber Beefcake?
3. Have you seen Carrot Top lately? He's ripped!

Thanks,
SirRDDofIllinois
 
RDD: Sorry bout that,

1. My intelligence is not the question here sir!

Brutus: then why can't respond to OP intelligently, rather than change subject?????? You've just learned what liberalism really is.



2. Brutus the Barber Beefcake?
3. Have you seen Carrot Top lately? He's ripped!

Thanks,
SirRDDofIllinois
 
Tornado: At least a good honest system which demands folks pay into insurance their whole working lives will make freeloaders pay for SOMETHING.

Brutus: fine, but that does nothing to increase quality and lower prices. Health insurance stocks are up since BO care!! Capitalism creates wealth, not a mandate.

Tornado: The alternative is letting capitalism rule and allowing me to open a city of hospitals which will throw your broke butt out on the street the moment you can't pay any longer.

Brutus: of course as we know from the Cuban,USSR and Red Chinese example that capitalism makes things cheap and of very high quality so everyone can afford to pay for almost everything.

Capitalism has left the just mildly above average American so well off they can afford a new kidney tomorrow if they need one?

Brutus there is a problem with the math for health insurance companies. The cost of newer treatments is going up faster than incomes are going up. At some point there will either be folks deciding "well that new heart will cost my wife our home, I don't need one".

By forcing everyone to buy insurance every day of their lives the theory is we put off that date a little bit longer. This gives time for a new specialty called "how to make this affordable" time to catch up.

BTW, when I think of capitalism and small government I think of Mexico. Not a very nice place to be. We flourished in the post New Deal era for a number of reasons. One is we ended up with a middle class.
 
Toranado: Capitalism has left the just mildly above average American so well off they can afford a new kidney tomorrow if they need one?

Brutus: who can say what the real price would be under capitalism. Remember, nothing was affordable to Russians and Chinese before capitalism. All things are much cheaper under capitalism.

Toronado: Brutus there is a problem with the math for health insurance companies. The cost of newer treatments is going up faster than incomes are going up. At some point there will either be folks deciding "well that new heart will cost my wife our home, I don't need one".

Brutus: as I said, who can say what the real cost of anything is when there is no competition.

Toronado: By forcing everyone to buy insurance every day of their lives the theory is we put off that date a little bit longer. This gives time for a new specialty called "how to make this affordable" time to catch up.

Brutus: no idea what you are talking about?? Only capitalism makes things affordable. Always remember the USSR and Red China. China switched to capitalism and instantly saved 10's of millions from slow starvation.

Toronado: BTW, when I think of capitalism and small government I think of Mexico. Not a very nice place to be.

Brutus: capitalism requires law and order. It can't function with out it. We have had it here thanks to religion.

Toranado: We flourished in the post New Deal era for a number of reasons. One is we ended up with a middle class.

Brutus: a middle upper and lower class is assumed. I have no idea what your point is.
 
Nahh... Im not following you down the rabbit hole.

Later :fu:

I am not sure I follow....Are you saying you oppose the National Healthcare Plan because it is unconstitutional? But otherwise you would support it?

Seems like demanding an amendment to correct an issue the founding fathers could not have seen coming. With any luck we will get that amendment.

No.... the whole damn thing should be thrown out, and NO the government needs to saty the Hell out of my healthcare business PERIOD!

You cant ammend a law that is'nt supposed to be there to begin with.... repeal it.
 
Nahh... Im not following you down the rabbit hole.

Later :fu:

I am not sure I follow....Are you saying you oppose the National Healthcare Plan because it is unconstitutional? But otherwise you would support it?

Seems like demanding an amendment to correct an issue the founding fathers could not have seen coming. With any luck we will get that amendment.

No.... the whole damn thing should be thrown out, and NO the government needs to saty the Hell out of my healthcare business PERIOD!

You cant ammend a law that is'nt supposed to be there to begin with.... repeal it.

ahhhh, but if you want them to stay out of your life completely regarding health insurance then the gvt should also not give your company a tax break for what they spend on your health care, or if you are paying your own health care without an employer, the gvt should NOT give you a tax break for what it costs you.

the government is deeper than deep when it comes to health care, FOR EVERYONE, including you....if you have insurance.
 

its UNconstitutionl


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that' debatable

it's also not the issue

I oppose the mandate on ethical/moral grounds

No... its been found unconstitutional by two federal judges. That means this administration is supposed to stop implementing it till it goes to the SCOTUS. So, OK.... its not final.

As for it not being the issue.... wrong. the OP asked "The single biggest problem with Obamacare."

So I gave my opinion....

And three judges have ruled that is constitutional, so where are we going with this?
 
I am not sure I follow....Are you saying you oppose the National Healthcare Plan because it is unconstitutional? But otherwise you would support it?

Seems like demanding an amendment to correct an issue the founding fathers could not have seen coming. With any luck we will get that amendment.

No.... the whole damn thing should be thrown out, and NO the government needs to saty the Hell out of my healthcare business PERIOD!

You cant ammend a law that is'nt supposed to be there to begin with.... repeal it.

ahhhh, but if you want them to stay out of your life completely regarding health insurance then the gvt should also not give your company a tax break for what they spend on your health care, or if you are paying your own health care without an employer, the gvt should NOT give you a tax break for what it costs you.

the government is deeper than deep when it comes to health care, FOR EVERYONE, including you....if you have insurance.

I'm sure he'll tell us how that's "different".
 

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