The single biggest problem with Obamacare.

[Brutus]

Greenbeard: "Democrats = bad" and "government = bad" isn't quite the sophisticated argument you seem to think it is.

Brutus: Jefferson thought it was the most sophisticated idea in human history. Why don't you even after having seen the 20th century??

I just want to know which country in this world of ours offers a great standard of living with such limited government.

The USA has the most freedom or limited government and the highest standard of living. Got it now?

 

[auditor0007]

Greenbeard: "Democrats = bad" and "government = bad" isn't quite the sophisticated argument you seem to think it is.

Brutus: Jefferson thought it was the most sophisticated idea in human history. Why don't you even after having seen the 20th century??

I just want to know which country in this world of ours offers a great standard of living with such limited government.

The USA has the most freedom or limited government and the highest standard of living. Got it now?

You keep telling us that we have a socialist government and we are becoming a nanny state with a low standard of living. Now you are changing your mind? Which is it?

I completely understand wanting to somewhat reduce government spending, but your idea, from what I have gathered based on your posts, is to completely dismantle the federal government other than a few basics, leaving the rest up to the individual states. Sorry, but I don't see that as a realistic way to improve the quality of life for the vast majority of Americans.

 

[Brutus]

Our founding fathers did not see the problem of healthcare costs breaking the average American.

of course you've missed the point as usual. Americans can't afford health care for the same reason the Red Chinese could not afford food: the government regulated the free market!!

Now government regulation is much reduced and in China and no one is starving to death. Please repeat that 1000 times until it sinks in. Do you want to be a liberal all your life?

 

[Brutus]

You keep telling us that we have a socialist government and we are becoming a nanny state with a low standard of living. Now you are changing your mind? Which is it?

dear I think all agree that the more European style socialism we have the more our standard of living will drop to theirs.

I completely understand wanting to somewhat reduce government spending, but your idea, from what I have gathered based on your posts, is to completely dismantle the federal government other than a few basics, leaving the rest up to the individual states. Sorry, but I don't see that as a realistic way to improve the quality of life for the vast majority of Americans.

but do you have a reason to feel government is good when America is founded on the idea of freedom and liberty from government?? It will not even occur to a liberal to have a reason will it?? Liberalism is about feeling, not thinking. Sadly, liberalism means: low IQ

 

[Toronado3800]

Our founding fathers did not see the problem of healthcare costs breaking the average American.

of course you've missed the point as usual. Americans can't afford health care for the same reason the Red Chinese could not afford food: the government regulated the free market!!

Now government regulation is much reduced and in China and no one is starving to death. Please repeat that 1000 times until it sinks in. Do you want to be a liberal all your life?

The Chinese example is a bit extreme and ignores the theory behind using big government to bribe American farmers to use or not use their land.

.....which unregulated country do we have to look to for the shining example of healthcare?

 

[Brutus]

The Chinese example is a bit extreme

too stupid!!! Its like saying east/west German is too extreme or Cuba/FLA is too extreme!!!

and ignores the theory behind using big government to bribe American farmers to use or not use their land.

What?????????

.....which unregulated country do we have to look to for the shining example of healthcare?

too stupid!! the USA has the least regulation and the most wealth!!

 

[Wiseacre]

The single biggest problem with ObamaCare is that it uses price controls in an attempt to hold down costs. Providers are already not accepting new Medicare patients, who's going to treat those 30 million new people who are going to be covered. If you reduce costs even further, to the tune of $500 billion, the only way he can do that is lower price controls, way lower. So we'll have an extreme shortage or they'll have to raise those prices which means it's going to cost more than he said it would. The budget gets busted or people don't get care.

Bottom line - we're being lied to. There is no way ObamaCare can work as advertised. Either it's going to cost way more or the access to health care is going to take a huge hit. Probably both.

 

[Toronado3800]

The Chinese example is a bit extreme

too stupid!!! Its like saying east/west German is too extreme or Cuba/FLA is too extreme!!!

and ignores the theory behind using big government to bribe American farmers to use or not use their land.

What?????????

.....which unregulated country do we have to look to for the shining example of healthcare?

too stupid!! the USA has the least regulation and the most wealth!!

Brutus, think harder. WWII left the rest of the world in shambles. Thanks to both a good system and in large part to GEOGRAPHIC ISOLATION from Germany and Japan our country was not the battleground which needed reconstruction.

Do you know anyone who owns acreage? Agricultural Subsidies | Downsizing the Federal Government

Lord Brutus. Would you care to be spoon fed some more?

Old healthcare system: socialist, everyone got it even if you showed up at the hospital broke. Not everyone paid.

New system over simplified: everyone is required to have insurance. Everyone will get treated, everyone will pay.

Now think, if the USA has the least regulated economy in the world I will yell FCC FDA FDIC a whoke bunch of other letter agencies and the patent office at you. Even in the good ol days there was big government buying Indian lands from falling European countries and giving it away.

 

[Brutus]

The Chinese example is a bit extreme

too stupid!!! Its like saying east/west German is too extreme or Cuba/FLA is too extreme!!!


What?????????

.....which unregulated country do we have to look to for the shining example of healthcare?

too stupid!! the USA has the least regulation and the most wealth!![/QUOTE]

Brutus, think harder. WWII left the rest of the world in shambles. Thanks to both a good system and in large part to GEOGRAPHIC ISOLATION from Germany and Japan our country was not the battleground which needed reconstruction.

too stupid!! Japan and Germany would have passed us long ago, even after rebuilding, if they had kept growing!!! See why we are positive a liberal will have alow IQ!!

Lord Brutus. Would you care to be spoon fed some more?

when did you start???????????

Old healthcare system: socialist, everyone got it even if you showed up at the hospital broke. Not everyone paid.
New system over simplified: everyone is required to have insurance. Everyone will get treated, everyone will pay.

too stupid by 1000. BO just put an additional 20 million on Medicaid!!!!!!!

Now think, if the USA has the least regulated economy in the world I will yell FCC FDA FDIC a whoke bunch of other letter agencies and the patent office at you. Even in the good ol days there was big government buying Indian lands from falling European countries and giving it away.

too stupid!!!!! least does not mean , none!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you see why we are positive a liberal will have a low IQ??

 

[jillian]

its UNconstitutionl

No. It's not. But feel free to provide the caselaw you're relying on that makes you think it is.

 

[Brutus]

its UNconstitutionl

No. It's not. But feel free to provide the caselaw you're relying on that makes you think it is.

It s obviously unconstitutional given that the Constitution does not empower the Fed to control medical care or to force us to buy insurance

 

[Brutus]

The constitution doesn't empower the federal government to involve itself in economics. Since the late 1880s, the governemnt has been passing laws regulating the American economy, without even bothering itself with passing an amendment to the constitution. The only thing government should be able to do in a free-market is to tax, only so it can continue to exist and function in ways granted to it. But when government begins to pass laws without any ground to do so, the citizen and the state both have rights to say they are unconstitutional, and nullify the law. Just as during the Civil War when Lincoln said that it was illegal for a state to secede, therefore the Confederate states never left, it is illegal for government to regulate economy, because they never gave themselves the right to do so. So when you say, provide the law that says its unconstitutional, well, why don't you provide me the law that says it is constitutional for government to regulate the economy.

That is all very true. The Constitution does however have the Commerce Clause, but that was merely intended to settle disputes between states or to smooth trade between states or between the US and foreign countries.

Having a low IQ makes the liberal think of government in Santa Claus like terms. They imagine they can tell the government what they want, and it then can provide it. How can you fight such perfect ignorance?

Teaching them that they can get more of what they want from free enterprise would require of them intellect which they just don't have.

 

[nraforlife]

Free enterprise has left 30+ million plus people without the ability to purchase adequate health insurance. .................

The insurance industry is the root cause of unaffordable healthcare. What we are calling 'insurance' is simply a middleman who adds a huge non-value added markup to every medical proccedure. Imagine what our auto 'insurance' bills would be if we expected them to pay for oil changes and tire rotations.......a Grand a month to 'insure' an econobox with an oil change billed at $100???????

The purpose of insurance is to pool large but relatively rare risk, NOT to pay ordinary predictable expenses.

 

[Brutus]

Too stupid!!! Intelligent people love insurance companies. The only problem with them is that liberals made it illegal for them to compete. Ask your parents to explain to you what for example cars would be like if there was no competion.

 

[nraforlife]

The insurance industry is the root cause of unaffordable healthcare. What we are calling 'insurance' is simply a middleman who adds a huge non-value added markup to every medical proccedure. Imagine what our auto 'insurance' bills would be if we expected them to pay for oil changes and tire rotations.......a Grand a month to 'insure' an econobox with an oil change billed at $100???????

The purpose of insurance is to pool large but relatively rare risk, NOT to pay ordinary predictable expenses.

 

[Sallow]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

You're kidding.

It's a huge fucking gift to free enterprise. And on the back end..it sets up rules that say;

Keep your promises.

 

[Brutus]

It's anti-American in that it does not rely on free enterprise. This is because the liberal mind lacks the IQ to understand free enterprise.

You're kidding.

It's a huge fucking gift to free enterprise. And on the back end..it sets up rules that say;

Keep your promises.

actually if it was a gift to free enterprise it would be free enterprise: competition, published prices, consumers spending their own money, etc!! A liberal lacks the IQ to grasp the importance of even these basics.

 

[Brutus]

The insurance industry is the root cause of unaffordable healthcare.

wrong wrong wrong!!! Liberalism is the root cause because it made competition in health insurance illegal.

see why we are 100% positive that the liberal will have a low IQ??

 

[Brutus]

Free enterprise has left 30+ million plus people without the ability to purchase adequate health insurance.

too stupid!!! the liberals made competition illegal in health insurance.

Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competition and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it? We have to hope the liberal will develop the IQ to understand such basic things. If not, our democracy is doomed

 

[Toronado3800]

Free enterprise has left 30+ million plus people without the ability to purchase adequate health insurance.

too stupid!!! the liberals made competition illegal in health insurance.

Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competition and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it? We have to hope the liberal will develop the IQ to understand such basic things. If not, our democracy is doomed

Brutus my man, I cringe when we agree because you sound like such an angry fool stating your dislike for states to regulate health insurance inside their "semi-sovereign" borders. For the life of me I the Republican/Conservative idea of state's rights to regulate insurance and everything else amazes me.

You are arguing against some perceived idea of "liberal". If you drop that random hatred you have some pretty decent ideas.

Your support of "anti-trust" and "anti-state" laws prove you have free thought and just don't toe some kind of ultra capitalist party line. Go with it my friend, drop the hatred.