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who understands everything about God?Apparently so. But people believe what they want to believe. To me that passage and the claim that god is all powerful/all good are contradictory
He didn’t send us, he sent people 2000 years ago Jesus, and then they wrote about him and now we have their inaccurate and corrupted stories that have been molded into an institution that man has further utilized and corrupted to gain wealth and power. Those are the facts. Now if you’re going to decide to believe all of that as pure truth then that’s up to you. But an objective look reveals many obvious contradictions like the one I pointed out in your passagewho understands everything about God?
no one
that's why God sent Jesus... so we would have a tangible leader, someone we can always refer to
someone who gave us His very Presence, in the Church He founded
the Church is messed up but his presence is still with us as he promised
Yeah okay, if that trips your trigger, good for you.WTF does all of that have to do with the faith of Israel? You're saying the Hebrew Bible is outdated? The Muslims feel the same way about your NT (So what, right? Do you care?). According to them, the "new revelation" is Islam through the prophet Muhammad.
If your supposed "NT" or religion contradicts what is explicitly stated in the Hebrew Bible (the "OT"), then I'll go with the original revelation and you can follow the upstart, "NT", religion. Not me, I won't go with Christianity, Islam, Bahai, Hinduism, Hare Krishna, Buddhism..none of them. You can go if you insist, but for me and my house, we will serve and worship YHWH, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I don't want your strange gods or "new" anything.
Jeremiah 6:16: "Thus says YHWH: Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, 'We will not walk in it.'"
I will remain on the ancient path.
In the Hebrew Bible, YHWH is the Heavenly Father, period. One Being, One Person, One Deity. One, not three. There's no God by Commitee. There is One Almighty God and His Name is YHWH, our heavenly Father.
YHWH doesn't need to kill the innocent to forgive anyone, much less kill himself (or 1/3rd of himself). You can't kill God for your sins (that's the worst type of blasphemy and idolatry). YHWH won't die, Haleluyah YAHWEH, The Eternal, Immortal One! They want to kill you for their sins, but Praise Your Holy Name, YOU WON'T DIE!
There's no life in death. If you wish to transcend the grave, you need to repent of your sins and keep YHWH's commandments. Live righteously. There are no shortcuts or cheat codes, that's the only way. Repentance and living righteously by keeping YHWH's commandments.
Psalm 37:28: "For YHWH loves justice; He will not forsake His tzadikim (righteous ones, צדיקים). They are preserved forever, but the children of the wicked shall be cut off."
Psalm 112:6: "Surely the righteous (Tzadik, צדיק) will never be shaken; they will be remembered forever."
Psalm 116:15: "Precious in the sight of YHWH is the death of His tzadikim (righteous ones, צדיקים)."
Proverbs 10:7: "The memory of the righteous (Tzadik, צדיק) is a blessing, but the name of the wicked will rot."
Proverbs 12:7: "The wicked are overthrown and are no more, but the house of the righteous (Tzadikim, צדיקים) will stand."
Isaiah 57:1-2: "The righteous perish (Tzadik, צדיק), and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death."
WHY DO THE RIGHTEOUS DIE PEACEFULLY? THEY TRUST YHWH:
Isaiah 56:4-5: "For thus says YHWH: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, who choose the things that please Me and hold fast My covenant, I will give in My house and within My walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off."
Daniel 12:2-3: "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness (Tzadikah, צדקה), like the stars forever and ever."
The Christian complaint that no one is perfect hence YHWH won't accept their efforts to live righteously underscores how ignorant Christians are of YHWH's mercy and what he actually requires of His people:
Mic 6:6-8 Wherewith shall I come before Yahweh, and bow myself before the high Elohim? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? (7) Will Yahweh be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? (8) He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth Yahweh require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy Elohim?
Flawless perfection was never the standard:
Ecc_7:20 For there is not a righteous man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Absolute perfection was never YHWH's standard for human righteousness. His standard has always been, "wholeheartedness", being sincere with YHWH, and doing as much as you can to live for him. Dedicating your life to Him, irrespective of your flaws.
1 Samuel 13:14 states, "But now your kingdom shall not continue; Yahweh has sought out a man after his own heart, and Yahweh has commanded him to be prince over his people, because you (King Saul) have not kept what Yahweh commanded you."
This verse indicates that YHWH sought someone whose heart was aligned with His, and that heart was found in David. King David wasn't perfect but nonetheless, YHWH says of Him:
1Ki_11:34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
1Ki_14:8 And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do that only which was right in mine eyes;
YHWH says of King David, that he had kept His commandments and was wholehearted with Him. He had followed YHWH with all of His heart, regardless of his human imperfections. He lived a life of repentance, always being ready to admit his faults and repent before YHWH. He didn't demand eternal life, or for YHWH to kill Himself for his sins, but rather he lived a life of commitment to His heavenly Father and was always ready to admit his faults and get back on track. The righteous man falls SEVEN TIMES but he always gets back up:
Proverbs 24:16: "For though the righteous fall seven times, they rise again, but the wicked stumble when calamity strikes."
We must circumcise our hearts. YHWH helps us do that:
Deuteronomy 10:16: "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn."
Deuteronomy 30:6: "And YHWH your Elohim will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."
Jeremiah 4:4: "Circumcise yourselves to YHWH, remove the foreskin of your hearts, O men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem; lest my wrath go forth like fire, and burn with none to quench it, because of the evil of your deeds."
Stop playing cards below deck and get to work, lift the sails, and YHWH will provide you with the wind. YHWH provides practically everything, doesn't He? He gives us our existence, the ship, all provisions, the ocean, the destination, the muscles that we use to lift the sails, and the wind that fills them..Everything. We have to not become nihilistic, exercising our faith and free will, taking action, and YHWH will empower us to righteousness. You can't kill YHWH for your sins, but you can lift the sails and let Him provide you with the wind.
You bring idolatry, ignorance, and destruction to the world. The Torah is life:You can rid yourself of the veil that blinds you to the truth by accepting Christ as your Savior.
He gave you a better covenant. The old one brings death. Christ brings life.
Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.…
Those weren't Baptists melting down gold to make a cow to worship.You bring idolatry
There's more to being righteous than circumcision. When did I ever say that? Are you now resorting to strawman arguments? What's with all of the EF Bombs, the profanity? Is that how you represent your religion, with profanity? If you expect Jews to leave Judaism and become Christians, you better have better arguments than this. Christian arguments fail miserably, because they're not in line with the Hebrew Bible. If you don't recognize the Hebrew Bible as the word of YHWH God, that's your issue, not mine. I base my faith and devotion to YHWH on the Hebrew Bible and nothing else. You can do whatever you want.Yeah okay, if that trips your trigger, good for you.
If Circumcision is your standard for excellence, we disagree. That's ridiculous, duh.
What if YHWH was really just space aliens fucking with primitives?
Your quotes are 3,500 years old. So why hasn't there been any recent updates from YHWH?
One of my favorite YHWH reminders is "the hairs on your head are numbered".
Are you Kosher? Got tendrils? Wear a yam-aka? Wailed at the wall? Still waiting for King Jesus?
You're the worst type of idolater because you're trying to kill God for your sins. You believe YHWH is a man, who was executed by the Romans. That's idolatry. Jews are no longer idolatrous, so your silly reference to something that occurred 2350 years ago, is quite pathetic. The Hebrew Bible tells us:Like I said, let's watch and see. Someone 2,000 years ago predicted the future of the Jews. Let's see is they are correct...
Those weren't Baptists melting down gold to make a cow to worship.
What you are quoting is end time prophecy. God is going to set up His kingdom in the midst of the Jews.
The last time He did that, the Jews threw Him out. But they will accept Christ the next time they see him.
The Christian "NT" and Christianity has nothing to do with Israel or YHWH. There is no "OT", just the Hebrew Bible, which is the Eternal Testament, not an "Old Testament" replaced by something else. Christianity isn't a New Covenant from YHWH, it's something foreign or alien to the faith of Israel and YHWH.Red Front, The ability to watch end time prophecy being fulfilled gives the Bible the credence it needs for me.
The whole book, Old and New is about the Jews. Their past, their present and their future.
Let's watch the events unfold to see if God really can see the end from the beginning, and if what is prophesied is bilateral.
Right now we are in the "all nations will come against Israel" phase and sign the peace treaty phase.
And as it unfolds exactly as described, will that sway your mind that perhaps the rest of it is accurate as well?
For anyone to be condemned for breaking the Sabbath, in Israel, there has to be an officially established and recognized Sanhedrin and it's practically impossible to determine guilt. No one has been executed for breaking the Sabbath by any Jewish court for thousands of years. It's debated among the rabbis whether such verses actually mean "execution" or capital punishment or are simply to be taken allegorically and the person just penalized or fined.Well what about that scripture that says that my neighbors can kill me if they catch me outside pulling weeds or something like that on the Sabbath?
That's the one that chaps my buttocks.
I mean, gawldern. That's a bit overboard, isn't it? Sheesh.
So, you no longer follow the Law, and have instead given yourself an updated, more modern version?For anyone to be condemned for breaking the Sabbath, in Israel, there has to be an officially established and recognized Sanhedrin and it's practically impossible to determine guilt. No one has been executed for breaking the Sabbath by any Jewish court for thousands of years. It's debated among the rabbis whether such verses actually mean "execution" or capital punishment or are simply to be taken allegorically and the person just penalized or fined.
That's incorrect. It's all about God's chosen people, from the battles, the peace treaty, to Christ coming back to them to keep them from total annihilation.The Christian "NT" and Christianity has nothing to do with Israel or YHWH. There is no "OT", just the Hebrew Bible, which is the Eternal Testament, not an "Old Testament" replaced by something else. Christianity isn't a New Covenant from YHWH, it's something foreign or alien to the faith of Israel and YHWH.
1. Circumcision is a ridiculous metric. You put up the quotes about it (below). My point is that circumcision isn't worth the space in the OT. I don't think Jesus made a big deal about it. I don't use strawmen. Your post #32 had these lines:There's more to being righteous than circumcision. When did I ever say that? Are you now resorting to strawman arguments? What's with all of the EF Bombs, the profanity? Is that how you represent your religion, with profanity? If you expect Jews to leave Judaism and become Christians, you better have better arguments than this. Christian arguments fail miserably, because they're not in line with the Hebrew Bible. If you don't recognize the Hebrew Bible as the word of YHWH God, that's your issue, not mine. I base my faith and devotion to YHWH on the Hebrew Bible and nothing else. You can do whatever you want.
Physical circumcision is part of the Torah, so it doesn't matter how you feel about it. And circumcision of the Heart is also part of Torah and again, how you feel about that is irrelevant to Israel. You can believe whatever nonsense you want.1. Circumcision is a ridiculous metric. You put up the quotes about it (below). My point is that circumcision isn't worth the space in the OT. I don't think Jesus made a big deal about it. I don't use strawmen. Your post #32 had these lines:
We must circumcise our hearts. YHWH helps us do that:
Deuteronomy 10:16: "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn."
Deuteronomy 30:6: "And YHWH your Elohim will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."
Jeremiah 4:4: "Circumcise yourselves to YHWH, remove the foreskin of your hearts, O men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem; lest my wrath go forth like fire, and burn with none to quench it, because of the evil of your deeds."
2. Sorry about the profanity. I spent too much time in pool halls.
3. I don't expect people to switch religions. I can't imagine switching religions. The priests and nuns taught us catechism and religious teachings all thru parochial school. I'm a bit surprised that you said you were a seminarian, but now you're a devout Jew? That sequence doesn't follow.
4. What Christian arguments fail? I'm not aware of any in the NT.
You're uttering Christian gobbledygook, that has nothing to do with Israel or the Hebrew Bible. Believe whatever nonsense toots your horn.That's incorrect. It's all about God's chosen people, from the battles, the peace treaty, to Christ coming back to them to keep them from total annihilation.
The Abrahamic religions or tradition, is the most savage, evil form of religion of them all, and Christians are so out of their minds, that they just don't see it. They believe in a holy book that is internally inconsistent and self-contradictory. I'm just showing them that here. You can't debate here in the religious section without adopting a religion. If you're an atheist or agnostic, the moderators will kick you out. Ban you from the thread or forum. Some of these moderators are bible thumpers.Well what about that scripture that says that my neighbors can kill me if they catch me outside pulling weeds or something like that on the Sabbath?
That's the one that chaps my buttocks.
I mean, gawldern. That's a bit overboard, isn't it? Sheesh.
You are very passionate in what you've been taught. It reminds me of Saul who persecuted the Christians because he was raised to believe one thing, and he believed it with all his heart and soul. The law Saul believed in taught him to murder the saints of God who did not believe as he did. However, God brought about a change - a new thing, that Saul's mind and heart refused to accept. God had to blind Saul on the road to the City of Damascus in order to get him to the Road of Straight, and into the House of Judah. All for a chance encounter with Ananias who was commissioned to counsel Saul, cause the scales of darkness to leave his sight, and baptize him. For many days Saul remained in Damascus learning from the disciples of the Lord about Jesus Christ the Son of God who by the penalty of his shed blood we are saved. (Acts 9)That's a pagan belief, that has nothing to do with the faith of Israel or YHWH. Our heavenly Father doesn't torture anyone eternally, especially for the reason Christians claim, namely, not converting to the right brand of Christianity. Christianity is a pagan religion, it's actually the worst type of idolatry. The most demonic in the world, even more so than Hinduism. You're better off as a Hindu than a Christian, before YHWH's heavenly council.
The Abrahamic religions or tradition, is the most savage, evil form of religion of them all, and Christians are so out of their minds, that they just don't see it. They believe in a holy book that is internally inconsistent and self-contradictory. I'm just showing them that here. You can't debate here in the religious section without adopting a religion. If you're an atheist or agnostic, the moderators will kick you out. Ban you from the thread or forum. Some of these moderators are bible thumpers.
Why do you feel the need to share your salvation doubts?Oh, I thought there was a response but it's just one of the Ignored ones...
I'll mosey right along....
