The Right-Wing Fringe Threatens the Republican Party

[Toro]

From Reason

If moderates, independents, Reagan Democrats, and libertarians are vital to future Republican electoral successes, party leaders might want to try to control the tone of the debate. The Clinton years are instructive. Despite the Lewinsky affair, the shady dealings of Whitewater, sundry "bimbo eruptions," and countless micro-scandals, Bill Clinton left office with a bafflingly high approval rating. University of Washington professor David Domke investigated the cause of Clinton's resilience and found that "conservative attacks on Clinton and the liberal response, which questioned the motives of Republicans, worked together to intensify public support for the president."

After two years of muckraking anti-Clinton journalism, The American Spectator went from 30,000 subscribers to 300,000. As Clinton proved to be a Teflon president, the mania deepened and the magazine accused Clinton of murder, drug smuggling, and cheating at golf. In the end, its star investigative journalist converted to liberalism, those remaining defected to other conservative publications, the magazine collapsed and was relaunched as a technology publication, and the Clinton administration barreled forward. Glenn Beck might pull 2.5 million viewers a day, WorldNetDaily might be clocking 2 million unique visitors a month—impressive, if slightly frightening, numbers—but they would be advised to remember the Spectator.

Thankfully, some Republicans are cottoning on. In a post on Twitter, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough urged his fellow Republicans to "argue the issues," "avoid the insults," and stop "with the conspiracy theories." Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini asked politely if his party could "have [William F.] Buckley back." Writing at TheNextRight.com, blogger Jon Henke complained recently that "Goldwater and a few Republicans had the integrity and guts to denounce the irresponsible fringe in the fevered swamps of the Right. Today, as far as I can tell, the Republican National Committee works with them."

Extremism in the defense of liberty might not be a vice, but Goldwater's famous comment was not a dog whistle for those who believed fluoridated water was at the heart of a Red Chinese conspiracy (opposing "Soviet imperialism," as he was suggesting, hardly qualified as extremist). As The Washington Post pointed out in 1994, in his later years the former Republican presidential candidate engaged in "frequent denunciations of the religious right and occasional defenses of Bill Clinton," and agitated to allow gays to serve openly in the military.

Ruffini is right that the Republican Party would benefit from another Buckley. But it could also use a leader. How about another Goldwater?

The Hopeless Opposition: As Obama falters, Republicans dither - Reason Magazine

 

[Oddball]

Which right-wing fringe?.....The party is noting but a bunch of squishes, fundies and neocons, none of whom really support anything resemblng what a Taft or Goldwater would do.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Which right-wing fringe?.....The party is noting but a bunch of squishes, fundies and neocons, none of whom really support anything resemblng what a Taft or Goldwater would do.

Because he's not a Marxist like Bomomma, Juan McCain is a Right Wing Extremist.

 

[Toro]

Which right-wing fringe?.....

Birthers, deathers, people who think Obama is a communist or the anti-Christ.

That right-wing fringe.

 

[Justin Case]

The article is from Reason online? Naming that thing "Reason" is equal to the party of tolerance showing just how intolerant they are of others. Especially when a conservative beauty queen expresses her opinion on same-sex marriage that mirrors what Obama himself has said he believes about same-sex marriage. Remember which one was crucified by liberals and their selective outrage with Carrie Prejean but NOT Barack Obama?

Here is a hint:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZK_0vmoIPI&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Olbermann & Gay Columnist's Detestable Hate-Filled Miss CA Rant[/ame]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Joe "Why Mackenzie Philips Matters" Scarborough is the person Libruls tell us we should heed.

Nah.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, yeah, like CrusaderFrank fringe loony is the person we should listen to. Now that would be as insane as listening to the birthers and deathers.

 

[paperview]

From Reason

If moderates, independents, Reagan Democrats, and libertarians are vital to future Republican electoral successes, party leaders might want to try to control the tone of the debate. The Clinton years are instructive. Despite the Lewinsky affair, the shady dealings of Whitewater, sundry "bimbo eruptions," and countless micro-scandals, Bill Clinton left office with a bafflingly high approval rating. University of Washington professor David Domke investigated the cause of Clinton's resilience and found that "conservative attacks on Clinton and the liberal response, which questioned the motives of Republicans, worked together to intensify public support for the president."

After two years of muckraking anti-Clinton journalism, The American Spectator went from 30,000 subscribers to 300,000. As Clinton proved to be a Teflon president, the mania deepened and the magazine accused Clinton of murder, drug smuggling, and cheating at golf. In the end, its star investigative journalist converted to liberalism, those remaining defected to other conservative publications, the magazine collapsed and was relaunched as a technology publication, and the Clinton administration barreled forward. Glenn Beck might pull 2.5 million viewers a day, WorldNetDaily might be clocking 2 million unique visitors a month—impressive, if slightly frightening, numbers—but they would be advised to remember the Spectator.

Thankfully, some Republicans are cottoning on. In a post on Twitter, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough urged his fellow Republicans to "argue the issues," "avoid the insults," and stop "with the conspiracy theories." Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini asked politely if his party could "have [William F.] Buckley back." Writing at TheNextRight.com, blogger Jon Henke complained recently that "Goldwater and a few Republicans had the integrity and guts to denounce the irresponsible fringe in the fevered swamps of the Right. Today, as far as I can tell, the Republican National Committee works with them."

Extremism in the defense of liberty might not be a vice, but Goldwater's famous comment was not a dog whistle for those who believed fluoridated water was at the heart of a Red Chinese conspiracy (opposing "Soviet imperialism," as he was suggesting, hardly qualified as extremist). As The Washington Post pointed out in 1994, in his later years the former Republican presidential candidate engaged in "frequent denunciations of the religious right and occasional defenses of Bill Clinton," and agitated to allow gays to serve openly in the military.

Ruffini is right that the Republican Party would benefit from another Buckley. But it could also use a leader. How about another Goldwater?

The Hopeless Opposition: As Obama falters, Republicans dither - Reason Magazine

Excellent article.


Thank you Toro.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh, yeah, like CrusaderFrank fringe loony is the person we should listen to. Now that would be as insane as listening to the birthers and deathers.

I'm so hurt that you're not going to listen to me.

 

[paperview]

The article is from Reason online? Naming that thing "Reason" is equal to the party of tolerance showing just how intolerant they are of others. Especially when a conservative beauty queen expresses her opinion on same-sex marriage that mirrors what Obama himself has said he believes about same-sex marriage. Remember which one was crucified by liberals and their selective outrage with Carrie Prejean but NOT Barack Obama?

Here is a hint:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZK_0vmoIPI&feature=player_embedded

^^ This.

Justin Case illuminates well the gist of the article.

Your contribution was perfect. Just perfect.

 

[xsited1]

The Right-Wing Fringe Threatens the Republican Party

Threatens? Try 'destroyed'. I'm glad this guy finally figured it out.

 

[Bfgrn]

The Right-Wing Fringe Threatens the Republican Party

Correction:
The Right-Wing Fringe IS the Republican Party


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

 

[paperview]

Oh, yeah, like CrusaderFrank fringe loony is the person we should listen to. Now that would be as insane as listening to the birthers and deathers.

Made even funnier by the fact Frank is a birther.


Hell, he even believes the toothless con-man/convicted felon Larry Sinclair when he says he sucked Oba's dick.

Ya gotta love gullibility like that.

 

[Oddball]

Which right-wing fringe?.....

Birthers, deathers, people who think Obama is a communist or the anti-Christ.

That right-wing fringe.

Mmmmmmmm....The strawman.....I follow now.....

 

[paperview]

The Right-Wing Fringe Threatens the Republican Party

Correction:
The Right-Wing Fringe IS the Republican Party


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

Great Quote.

Ah. Barry. Oh how he is missed.

One of the last truly great real republicans.

 

[Oddball]

The Right-Wing Fringe Threatens the Republican Party

Correction:
The Right-Wing Fringe IS the Republican Party


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

Great Quote.

Ah. Barry. Oh how he is missed.

One of the last truly great real republicans.

Sounds to me more like he just came from a meeting with Pelosi and Reid.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh, yeah, like CrusaderFrank fringe loony is the person we should listen to. Now that would be as insane as listening to the birthers and deathers.

Made even funnier by the fact Frank is a birther.


Hell, he even believes the toothless con-man/convicted felon Larry Sinclair when he says he sucked Oba's dick.

Ya gotta love gullibility like that.

It's the Year 2009, ferChristsake! If a Presidential Candidate can't proudly admit to having gay sex on crack in the back of a limo, then "Hope" and "Change" really are "just words"

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

From Reason

If moderates, independents, Reagan Democrats, and libertarians are vital to future Republican electoral successes, party leaders might want to try to control the tone of the debate. The Clinton years are instructive. Despite the Lewinsky affair, the shady dealings of Whitewater, sundry "bimbo eruptions," and countless micro-scandals, Bill Clinton left office with a bafflingly high approval rating. University of Washington professor David Domke investigated the cause of Clinton's resilience and found that "conservative attacks on Clinton and the liberal response, which questioned the motives of Republicans, worked together to intensify public support for the president."

After two years of muckraking anti-Clinton journalism, The American Spectator went from 30,000 subscribers to 300,000. As Clinton proved to be a Teflon president, the mania deepened and the magazine accused Clinton of murder, drug smuggling, and cheating at golf. In the end, its star investigative journalist converted to liberalism, those remaining defected to other conservative publications, the magazine collapsed and was relaunched as a technology publication, and the Clinton administration barreled forward. Glenn Beck might pull 2.5 million viewers a day, WorldNetDaily might be clocking 2 million unique visitors a month—impressive, if slightly frightening, numbers—but they would be advised to remember the Spectator.

Thankfully, some Republicans are cottoning on. In a post on Twitter, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough urged his fellow Republicans to "argue the issues," "avoid the insults," and stop "with the conspiracy theories." Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini asked politely if his party could "have [William F.] Buckley back." Writing at TheNextRight.com, blogger Jon Henke complained recently that "Goldwater and a few Republicans had the integrity and guts to denounce the irresponsible fringe in the fevered swamps of the Right. Today, as far as I can tell, the Republican National Committee works with them."

Extremism in the defense of liberty might not be a vice, but Goldwater's famous comment was not a dog whistle for those who believed fluoridated water was at the heart of a Red Chinese conspiracy (opposing "Soviet imperialism," as he was suggesting, hardly qualified as extremist). As The Washington Post pointed out in 1994, in his later years the former Republican presidential candidate engaged in "frequent denunciations of the religious right and occasional defenses of Bill Clinton," and agitated to allow gays to serve openly in the military.

Ruffini is right that the Republican Party would benefit from another Buckley. But it could also use a leader. How about another Goldwater?

The Hopeless Opposition: As Obama falters, Republicans dither - Reason Magazine

Sadly for this screed... in truth, there is no such thing as a right wing "FRINGE."

The Ideological Right represents the defense, conservation and respect of; and recognition for the Immutable Principles of nature.

The word fringe has a number of contexts... the two relevant contexts are as follows...

outer limit: the outer edge, or something considered to be on the outer edge and not central to an activity, interest, or issue (often used in the plural)
outposts on the fringes of civilization ...

Thus the notion would be that the 'FIRNGE of the right wing, is on the outer limits of the defense of the immutable principles of nature.

The problem is that immutable principles are not subject to interpretation or debate. They are what they are and do what you will in the recognition or rejection thereof... immutable principles will win everytime. Violate them and the reaction from nature will be swift and sure... thus defending them and fighting for the recognition and adherance to them is simple common sense; which seeks to avoid the calamity, chaos and catastrophe common to the rejection of those principles...

That being true... the only alternative for those who reject those principles is to work for a popular consensus and then appeal TO that popular concensus, which bring us to the other context of "Fringe":

less important area: an area of action that is far away from the center of activity or interest in a specific field

Thus the attempt here is to establish the ENTIRETY of the ideological right as being less important... the place where people who are less important hang out... those appealing to those who ar eprone to such fallacious, unsustainable reasoning...

It's just more flaccid nonsense, being advanced by the impotence that is: Left-think.

It claims to respect and recognize the unalienable human rights common to the Immutable Principles... but it rejects the divine authroity on which those rights rests and it rejects the RESPONSIBILTIES WHICH ARE INHERENT IN AND WHICH ARE THE SUSTAINING FOUNDATION OF THOSE RIGHTS... A foundation that without, the Unalienable Right itself, cannot stand. Meaning quite simply that Left-think itself is a LIE; it is a deception that seeks to con the individual into conceding their rights, by default...

Thus, as is nearly always the case... the Left comes in this OP to cast its OWN circumstance upon its opposition. It is the reasoning advanced by the Left which rests well away from the Center of Truth... thus is the fringe cultural element that lies at the base of every cultural ill, common to the US and the whole of Western Civilization.

 

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People who are part of the Fringe rarely acknowledge, nor even recognize, they are part of the Fringe.

Some even reject there is a fringe altogether.

 

[Toro]

Which right-wing fringe?.....

Birthers, deathers, people who think Obama is a communist or the anti-Christ.

That right-wing fringe.

Mmmmmmmm....The strawman.....I follow now.....

Not in the least. Remember, these criticisms are coming from the right, not the left.

If the Republicans can be painted as people who think Obama is the anti-Christ, they will have a hard time.