The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[Sixties Fan]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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I find it beyond humorous, that many people who have lost the identity their ancestors had, or of a separate people, with a separate culture and history, go around forums and other places, on tv and media, telling the Jewish people that they do not know their ancient history, they are not descended from those ancient people, etc......

Exactly because they have so embraced the new culture which was basically shoved down their ancestor's throat, be they Christians or Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, even Jews.........they can only continue to embrace the hatred created by Christianity and Islam as an excuse to anything and everything which goes wrong in this world....

AS IF......things going bad, nature, humans, animals, plagues, etc......all came to be when the Judaism came to be.

It is a very sad illness, toxic to the core, and cannot be eradicated because those who practice a "solution" to all of those maladies would find themselves to be the fools...... for once all the Jews are gone, dead or converted, those problems and worse would continue to exist.

Then......they will start hunting for those who "were Jews " before and accuse them of not having left it and not being true. Yes, the Inquisition all over again.


The Right to Destroy Jewish History has never been worse at its believer's core than during and after the Holocaust.

Jews are not humans. Do NOT care about their history, the history also found in the writings of every people they dealt with, and every invader, conqueror, who to this day have not changed their history books to wipe out the Jews as a people.

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.

But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

Am Israel Chai
The People of Israel Live

 

[Sixties Fan]

im

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.

Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.

The issue has never been about how many Jews were on their ancient homeland.

The issue has been since 1948 as to whether an invading people like the Europeans in the Americans, Australia, can ever claim and appropriate themselves of indigenous archeology, culture and history in order to deny the indigenous people their rightful sovereignty over that land.

That is what the Arabs have been doing to the Jewish people.

Diminishing the issue to Numbers of population, does nothing but deny the Jewish people their legal right to fight for sovereignty of their own land, and especially as they ended up with ONLY 20% of it, and the invaders continue to demand that 20% for them, in the future leaving the Jews with no land to be sovereign over.

Whatever your childhood upbringing was, it has been augmented by the Romancing of Arabia, and all that Muslims have achieved at the cost of all indigenous people of the lands they moved into.

Arabs did not conquer the Middle East, the Kurds did.
Arabs did not conquer the South of Spain, the Moors did.

Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Assyrians and others have no right to be sovereign over their ancient lands, anymore than too many tribes in the American and Australian continents.

Numbers of populations throughout any invasion are meaningless as it does not take away any indigenous people their sovereign right to those lands.

Its against international law to colonized land taken in war. Palestine was NEVER just inhabited by Jews. They are Canaanites just like all the other Canaanites.

You are changing history.

Modern Arabs are not Canaanites.
Palestinians are not Canaanites.

"Its against international law to colonized land taken in war."

Tell that to the Muslims and Arabs and Turks, who have been warring against the indigenous people of the Middle East and North Africa, and colonizing each and every part of it, at the cost of indigenous rights.

When Arab states invade a legally formed state only because it is Jewish, the Jewish people have every right to defend themselves.

Unfortunately the Muslim and Christian population which follows the Muslim leaders with their lies, are the ones who continue to pay the price in not having a State of their own, something they could have had in 1936, 1947 and 2000.

Actions have consequences.

Teaching hateful things about an indigenous people because they are Jewish has consequences.

Again and again, attacking not only the Jewish country but the people who live in it, including Israeli Arabs, Druze, etc....has its consequences.

Hatred for the other since the 1st century, has its consequences.

Hatred for the other.....since the 7th century, has its consequences.

Christians and Muslims have hated and murdered too many Jews and done anything they thought they had the right to do with the Jews and their land.

The legal re creation of Israel, in order to defend and protect the Jewish people, is the consequence of all of these centuries of learned hatred.

How would you like for your population to double in 15 years with foreigners?

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

For more than a century Zionists and, later, Israelis have pursued a project to seize and ethnically cleanse Palestinian land.

www.truthdig.com

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not the product of ancient ethnic hatreds. It is the tragic clash between two peoples with claims to the same land. It is a manufactured conflict, the outcome of...

Revised history designed to destroy Israel, and Jewish sovereignty of what is left of their ancient homeland.

78% of the Jewish homeland was GIVEN to the foreign Hashemites in 1922.

All you read is anti Israel articles.
Anti Jewish articles.

"Zionists are indigenous Europeans come to take the land from indigenous Arabs, as if....Arabs were indigenous of Ancient Canaan."

"The Jewish population were few
The Jews ethnically cleansed the Arabs from "their" lands"


Your lack of sense of history comes from romancing Arabs and Islam for most of your life.

Most, if not all your sources are people who fell in love with Islam and Arabs and their culture.

Can you introspect for any short time to find out if what I am saying could be true, and therefore your beliefs might be painted by them?

Have you read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, Atlantic Magazine July 1920?

Jews have been rewriting history for thousands of years. What about all those other people who lived in Palestine.. All those Canaanite tribes and Arabs etc? They didn't suddenly disappear?

Apparently you have not, and chose to read only the parts which matter to delegitimizing any Jewish rights to the Mandate for Palestine.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, util they became the minority.

Here is part of it:

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

By H. Sacher

THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State. The Zionist Organization dates from 1897, the year of the first Zionist Congress. The Zionist movement is a longing and striving to restore to the Jewish people normal national life. The Zionist Organization is a particular instrumentality for achieving that end. The Zionist movement will continue until the Jewish people are once more living a normal national life, when it will be transformed into the active expression of that normal national life. The Zionist Organization, when the particular phase of Jewish national life which called into being this special instrumentality has passed, will merge into some other instrumentality.

Best example of what you stated below is the near total annihilation of the indigenous Zoroastrians of Persia after the Muslim invasion whereby the native Zoroastrians were forced to convert, leave or be killed. Hence the majority fled to India as the Parsis.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, until they became the minority.

Arabs were in Palestine, Syria and the Levant long before Islam. Remember both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives.. Keturah and Zipporah.

I would love to see that passage in the Koran, where Mohammad says that Keturah and Zipporah were Arabs, and how Arabs should be proud of that .

Start reading the Koran

 

[watchingfromafar]

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.
But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

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[surada]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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I find it beyond humorous, that many people who have lost the identity their ancestors had, or of a separate people, with a separate culture and history, go around forums and other places, on tv and media, telling the Jewish people that they do not know their ancient history, they are not descended from those ancient people, etc......

Exactly because they have so embraced the new culture which was basically shoved down their ancestor's throat, be they Christians or Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, even Jews.........they can only continue to embrace the hatred created by Christianity and Islam as an excuse to anything and everything which goes wrong in this world....

AS IF......things going bad, nature, humans, animals, plagues, etc......all came to be when the Judaism came to be.

It is a very sad illness, toxic to the core, and cannot be eradicated because those who practice a "solution" to all of those maladies would find themselves to be the fools...... for once all the Jews are gone, dead or converted, those problems and worse would continue to exist.

Then......they will start hunting for those who "were Jews " before and accuse them of not having left it and not being true. Yes, the Inquisition all over again.


The Right to Destroy Jewish History has never been worse at its believer's core than during and after the Holocaust.

Jews are not humans. Do NOT care about their history, the history also found in the writings of every people they dealt with, and every invader, conqueror, who to this day have not changed their history books to wipe out the Jews as a people.

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.

But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

Am Israel Chai
The People of Israel Live

So you make these claims to justify taking ancestral lands from everybody else?? Nobody wants to wipe out the Jews. What a vile accusation. Even the Torah tells you these are your half brothers and cousins.

 

[surada]

im

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.

Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.

The issue has never been about how many Jews were on their ancient homeland.

The issue has been since 1948 as to whether an invading people like the Europeans in the Americans, Australia, can ever claim and appropriate themselves of indigenous archeology, culture and history in order to deny the indigenous people their rightful sovereignty over that land.

That is what the Arabs have been doing to the Jewish people.

Diminishing the issue to Numbers of population, does nothing but deny the Jewish people their legal right to fight for sovereignty of their own land, and especially as they ended up with ONLY 20% of it, and the invaders continue to demand that 20% for them, in the future leaving the Jews with no land to be sovereign over.

Whatever your childhood upbringing was, it has been augmented by the Romancing of Arabia, and all that Muslims have achieved at the cost of all indigenous people of the lands they moved into.

Arabs did not conquer the Middle East, the Kurds did.
Arabs did not conquer the South of Spain, the Moors did.

Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Assyrians and others have no right to be sovereign over their ancient lands, anymore than too many tribes in the American and Australian continents.

Numbers of populations throughout any invasion are meaningless as it does not take away any indigenous people their sovereign right to those lands.

Its against international law to colonized land taken in war. Palestine was NEVER just inhabited by Jews. They are Canaanites just like all the other Canaanites.

You are changing history.

Modern Arabs are not Canaanites.
Palestinians are not Canaanites.

"Its against international law to colonized land taken in war."

Tell that to the Muslims and Arabs and Turks, who have been warring against the indigenous people of the Middle East and North Africa, and colonizing each and every part of it, at the cost of indigenous rights.

When Arab states invade a legally formed state only because it is Jewish, the Jewish people have every right to defend themselves.

Unfortunately the Muslim and Christian population which follows the Muslim leaders with their lies, are the ones who continue to pay the price in not having a State of their own, something they could have had in 1936, 1947 and 2000.

Actions have consequences.

Teaching hateful things about an indigenous people because they are Jewish has consequences.

Again and again, attacking not only the Jewish country but the people who live in it, including Israeli Arabs, Druze, etc....has its consequences.

Hatred for the other since the 1st century, has its consequences.

Hatred for the other.....since the 7th century, has its consequences.

Christians and Muslims have hated and murdered too many Jews and done anything they thought they had the right to do with the Jews and their land.

The legal re creation of Israel, in order to defend and protect the Jewish people, is the consequence of all of these centuries of learned hatred.

How would you like for your population to double in 15 years with foreigners?

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

For more than a century Zionists and, later, Israelis have pursued a project to seize and ethnically cleanse Palestinian land.

www.truthdig.com

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not the product of ancient ethnic hatreds. It is the tragic clash between two peoples with claims to the same land. It is a manufactured conflict, the outcome of...

Revised history designed to destroy Israel, and Jewish sovereignty of what is left of their ancient homeland.

78% of the Jewish homeland was GIVEN to the foreign Hashemites in 1922.

All you read is anti Israel articles.
Anti Jewish articles.

"Zionists are indigenous Europeans come to take the land from indigenous Arabs, as if....Arabs were indigenous of Ancient Canaan."

"The Jewish population were few
The Jews ethnically cleansed the Arabs from "their" lands"


Your lack of sense of history comes from romancing Arabs and Islam for most of your life.

Most, if not all your sources are people who fell in love with Islam and Arabs and their culture.

Can you introspect for any short time to find out if what I am saying could be true, and therefore your beliefs might be painted by them?

Have you read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, Atlantic Magazine July 1920?

Jews have been rewriting history for thousands of years. What about all those other people who lived in Palestine.. All those Canaanite tribes and Arabs etc? They didn't suddenly disappear?

Apparently you have not, and chose to read only the parts which matter to delegitimizing any Jewish rights to the Mandate for Palestine.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, util they became the minority.

Here is part of it:

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

By H. Sacher

THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State. The Zionist Organization dates from 1897, the year of the first Zionist Congress. The Zionist movement is a longing and striving to restore to the Jewish people normal national life. The Zionist Organization is a particular instrumentality for achieving that end. The Zionist movement will continue until the Jewish people are once more living a normal national life, when it will be transformed into the active expression of that normal national life. The Zionist Organization, when the particular phase of Jewish national life which called into being this special instrumentality has passed, will merge into some other instrumentality.

Best example of what you stated below is the near total annihilation of the indigenous Zoroastrians of Persia after the Muslim invasion whereby the native Zoroastrians were forced to convert, leave or be killed. Hence the majority fled to India as the Parsis.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, until they became the minority.

Arabs were in Palestine, Syria and the Levant long before Islam. Remember both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives.. Keturah and Zipporah.

I would love to see that passage in the Koran, where Mohammad says that Keturah and Zipporah were Arabs, and how Arabs should be proud of that .

Start reading the Koran

Are you kidding me? Didn't you know they were Arab women?

 

[watchingfromafar]

The Right To Destroy Jewish History

Ezekiel
Chapter 21
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,

3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.

23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

The day of judgement is upon them​

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
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[Sixties Fan]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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I find it beyond humorous, that many people who have lost the identity their ancestors had, or of a separate people, with a separate culture and history, go around forums and other places, on tv and media, telling the Jewish people that they do not know their ancient history, they are not descended from those ancient people, etc......

Exactly because they have so embraced the new culture which was basically shoved down their ancestor's throat, be they Christians or Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, even Jews.........they can only continue to embrace the hatred created by Christianity and Islam as an excuse to anything and everything which goes wrong in this world....

AS IF......things going bad, nature, humans, animals, plagues, etc......all came to be when the Judaism came to be.

It is a very sad illness, toxic to the core, and cannot be eradicated because those who practice a "solution" to all of those maladies would find themselves to be the fools...... for once all the Jews are gone, dead or converted, those problems and worse would continue to exist.

Then......they will start hunting for those who "were Jews " before and accuse them of not having left it and not being true. Yes, the Inquisition all over again.


The Right to Destroy Jewish History has never been worse at its believer's core than during and after the Holocaust.

Jews are not humans. Do NOT care about their history, the history also found in the writings of every people they dealt with, and every invader, conqueror, who to this day have not changed their history books to wipe out the Jews as a people.

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.

But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

Am Israel Chai
The People of Israel Live

So you make these claims to justify taking ancestral lands from everybody else?? Nobody wants to wipe out the Jews. What a vile accusation. Even the Torah tells you these are your half brothers and cousins.

The Ancestral lands became Israel 3000 years ago. And then others came and took from that. One only has to read history written by the Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, etc

But the Jews are the only who remain with a non stop history on the land. All the others blended with the other populations, or moved away.


I am sorry that you still do not get what the Holocaust in Europe was about. Aided by the Husseini clan who planned on building Concentration Camps in Palestine once Germany won the war, which it did not.


Keep believing that Husseini did not want to wipe out the Jews, as the Nazis did, as he himself did in Bosnia during WWII.

What in the world would those Concentration Camps have been for?

Our Half Brothers and Cousins have committed incredible crimes against the Jewish people for
the past 2000 years. Have negated the Jewish people any form of respect. And continue to do so.

Which is exactly why Hagar and Ishmael were thrown out of Abraham's home.

You, and others, want the People of Abraham to embrace those who call themselves descendants of Ishmael, while this very people continue to look for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people as a free people.

Not even Ishmael had the audacity to attack Abraham and his tribe as revenge or feeling of superiority.

 

[Sixties Fan]

im

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.

Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.

The issue has never been about how many Jews were on their ancient homeland.

The issue has been since 1948 as to whether an invading people like the Europeans in the Americans, Australia, can ever claim and appropriate themselves of indigenous archeology, culture and history in order to deny the indigenous people their rightful sovereignty over that land.

That is what the Arabs have been doing to the Jewish people.

Diminishing the issue to Numbers of population, does nothing but deny the Jewish people their legal right to fight for sovereignty of their own land, and especially as they ended up with ONLY 20% of it, and the invaders continue to demand that 20% for them, in the future leaving the Jews with no land to be sovereign over.

Whatever your childhood upbringing was, it has been augmented by the Romancing of Arabia, and all that Muslims have achieved at the cost of all indigenous people of the lands they moved into.

Arabs did not conquer the Middle East, the Kurds did.
Arabs did not conquer the South of Spain, the Moors did.

Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Assyrians and others have no right to be sovereign over their ancient lands, anymore than too many tribes in the American and Australian continents.

Numbers of populations throughout any invasion are meaningless as it does not take away any indigenous people their sovereign right to those lands.

Its against international law to colonized land taken in war. Palestine was NEVER just inhabited by Jews. They are Canaanites just like all the other Canaanites.

You are changing history.

Modern Arabs are not Canaanites.
Palestinians are not Canaanites.

"Its against international law to colonized land taken in war."

Tell that to the Muslims and Arabs and Turks, who have been warring against the indigenous people of the Middle East and North Africa, and colonizing each and every part of it, at the cost of indigenous rights.

When Arab states invade a legally formed state only because it is Jewish, the Jewish people have every right to defend themselves.

Unfortunately the Muslim and Christian population which follows the Muslim leaders with their lies, are the ones who continue to pay the price in not having a State of their own, something they could have had in 1936, 1947 and 2000.

Actions have consequences.

Teaching hateful things about an indigenous people because they are Jewish has consequences.

Again and again, attacking not only the Jewish country but the people who live in it, including Israeli Arabs, Druze, etc....has its consequences.

Hatred for the other since the 1st century, has its consequences.

Hatred for the other.....since the 7th century, has its consequences.

Christians and Muslims have hated and murdered too many Jews and done anything they thought they had the right to do with the Jews and their land.

The legal re creation of Israel, in order to defend and protect the Jewish people, is the consequence of all of these centuries of learned hatred.

How would you like for your population to double in 15 years with foreigners?

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

For more than a century Zionists and, later, Israelis have pursued a project to seize and ethnically cleanse Palestinian land.

www.truthdig.com

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not the product of ancient ethnic hatreds. It is the tragic clash between two peoples with claims to the same land. It is a manufactured conflict, the outcome of...

Revised history designed to destroy Israel, and Jewish sovereignty of what is left of their ancient homeland.

78% of the Jewish homeland was GIVEN to the foreign Hashemites in 1922.

All you read is anti Israel articles.
Anti Jewish articles.

"Zionists are indigenous Europeans come to take the land from indigenous Arabs, as if....Arabs were indigenous of Ancient Canaan."

"The Jewish population were few
The Jews ethnically cleansed the Arabs from "their" lands"


Your lack of sense of history comes from romancing Arabs and Islam for most of your life.

Most, if not all your sources are people who fell in love with Islam and Arabs and their culture.

Can you introspect for any short time to find out if what I am saying could be true, and therefore your beliefs might be painted by them?

Have you read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, Atlantic Magazine July 1920?

Jews have been rewriting history for thousands of years. What about all those other people who lived in Palestine.. All those Canaanite tribes and Arabs etc? They didn't suddenly disappear?

Apparently you have not, and chose to read only the parts which matter to delegitimizing any Jewish rights to the Mandate for Palestine.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, util they became the minority.

Here is part of it:

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

By H. Sacher

THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State. The Zionist Organization dates from 1897, the year of the first Zionist Congress. The Zionist movement is a longing and striving to restore to the Jewish people normal national life. The Zionist Organization is a particular instrumentality for achieving that end. The Zionist movement will continue until the Jewish people are once more living a normal national life, when it will be transformed into the active expression of that normal national life. The Zionist Organization, when the particular phase of Jewish national life which called into being this special instrumentality has passed, will merge into some other instrumentality.

Best example of what you stated below is the near total annihilation of the indigenous Zoroastrians of Persia after the Muslim invasion whereby the native Zoroastrians were forced to convert, leave or be killed. Hence the majority fled to India as the Parsis.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, until they became the minority.

Arabs were in Palestine, Syria and the Levant long before Islam. Remember both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives.. Keturah and Zipporah.

I would love to see that passage in the Koran, where Mohammad says that Keturah and Zipporah were Arabs, and how Arabs should be proud of that .

Start reading the Koran

Are you kidding me? Didn't you know they were Arab women?

I am waiting for you to read the Koran.

How long will it take? How much time do you have?

 

[surada]

im

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.

Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.

The issue has never been about how many Jews were on their ancient homeland.

The issue has been since 1948 as to whether an invading people like the Europeans in the Americans, Australia, can ever claim and appropriate themselves of indigenous archeology, culture and history in order to deny the indigenous people their rightful sovereignty over that land.

That is what the Arabs have been doing to the Jewish people.

Diminishing the issue to Numbers of population, does nothing but deny the Jewish people their legal right to fight for sovereignty of their own land, and especially as they ended up with ONLY 20% of it, and the invaders continue to demand that 20% for them, in the future leaving the Jews with no land to be sovereign over.

Whatever your childhood upbringing was, it has been augmented by the Romancing of Arabia, and all that Muslims have achieved at the cost of all indigenous people of the lands they moved into.

Arabs did not conquer the Middle East, the Kurds did.
Arabs did not conquer the South of Spain, the Moors did.

Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Assyrians and others have no right to be sovereign over their ancient lands, anymore than too many tribes in the American and Australian continents.

Numbers of populations throughout any invasion are meaningless as it does not take away any indigenous people their sovereign right to those lands.

Its against international law to colonized land taken in war. Palestine was NEVER just inhabited by Jews. They are Canaanites just like all the other Canaanites.

You are changing history.

Modern Arabs are not Canaanites.
Palestinians are not Canaanites.

"Its against international law to colonized land taken in war."

Tell that to the Muslims and Arabs and Turks, who have been warring against the indigenous people of the Middle East and North Africa, and colonizing each and every part of it, at the cost of indigenous rights.

When Arab states invade a legally formed state only because it is Jewish, the Jewish people have every right to defend themselves.

Unfortunately the Muslim and Christian population which follows the Muslim leaders with their lies, are the ones who continue to pay the price in not having a State of their own, something they could have had in 1936, 1947 and 2000.

Actions have consequences.

Teaching hateful things about an indigenous people because they are Jewish has consequences.

Again and again, attacking not only the Jewish country but the people who live in it, including Israeli Arabs, Druze, etc....has its consequences.

Hatred for the other since the 1st century, has its consequences.

Hatred for the other.....since the 7th century, has its consequences.

Christians and Muslims have hated and murdered too many Jews and done anything they thought they had the right to do with the Jews and their land.

The legal re creation of Israel, in order to defend and protect the Jewish people, is the consequence of all of these centuries of learned hatred.

How would you like for your population to double in 15 years with foreigners?

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

For more than a century Zionists and, later, Israelis have pursued a project to seize and ethnically cleanse Palestinian land.

www.truthdig.com

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not the product of ancient ethnic hatreds. It is the tragic clash between two peoples with claims to the same land. It is a manufactured conflict, the outcome of...

Revised history designed to destroy Israel, and Jewish sovereignty of what is left of their ancient homeland.

78% of the Jewish homeland was GIVEN to the foreign Hashemites in 1922.

All you read is anti Israel articles.
Anti Jewish articles.

"Zionists are indigenous Europeans come to take the land from indigenous Arabs, as if....Arabs were indigenous of Ancient Canaan."

"The Jewish population were few
The Jews ethnically cleansed the Arabs from "their" lands"


Your lack of sense of history comes from romancing Arabs and Islam for most of your life.

Most, if not all your sources are people who fell in love with Islam and Arabs and their culture.

Can you introspect for any short time to find out if what I am saying could be true, and therefore your beliefs might be painted by them?

Have you read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, Atlantic Magazine July 1920?

Jews have been rewriting history for thousands of years. What about all those other people who lived in Palestine.. All those Canaanite tribes and Arabs etc? They didn't suddenly disappear?

Apparently you have not, and chose to read only the parts which matter to delegitimizing any Jewish rights to the Mandate for Palestine.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, util they became the minority.

Here is part of it:

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

By H. Sacher

THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State. The Zionist Organization dates from 1897, the year of the first Zionist Congress. The Zionist movement is a longing and striving to restore to the Jewish people normal national life. The Zionist Organization is a particular instrumentality for achieving that end. The Zionist movement will continue until the Jewish people are once more living a normal national life, when it will be transformed into the active expression of that normal national life. The Zionist Organization, when the particular phase of Jewish national life which called into being this special instrumentality has passed, will merge into some other instrumentality.

Best example of what you stated below is the near total annihilation of the indigenous Zoroastrians of Persia after the Muslim invasion whereby the native Zoroastrians were forced to convert, leave or be killed. Hence the majority fled to India as the Parsis.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, until they became the minority.

Arabs were in Palestine, Syria and the Levant long before Islam. Remember both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives.. Keturah and Zipporah.

I would love to see that passage in the Koran, where Mohammad says that Keturah and Zipporah were Arabs, and how Arabs should be proud of that .

Start reading the Koran

Are you kidding me? Didn't you know they were Arab women?

I am waiting for you to read the Koran.

How long will it take? How much time do you have?

I have read the Koran and I was lucky to have a Muslim judge help me..

In 1945 the Arabs told Roosevelt that he should give the best land in Germany to the Holocaust survivors.

 

[surada]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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I find it beyond humorous, that many people who have lost the identity their ancestors had, or of a separate people, with a separate culture and history, go around forums and other places, on tv and media, telling the Jewish people that they do not know their ancient history, they are not descended from those ancient people, etc......

Exactly because they have so embraced the new culture which was basically shoved down their ancestor's throat, be they Christians or Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, even Jews.........they can only continue to embrace the hatred created by Christianity and Islam as an excuse to anything and everything which goes wrong in this world....

AS IF......things going bad, nature, humans, animals, plagues, etc......all came to be when the Judaism came to be.

It is a very sad illness, toxic to the core, and cannot be eradicated because those who practice a "solution" to all of those maladies would find themselves to be the fools...... for once all the Jews are gone, dead or converted, those problems and worse would continue to exist.

Then......they will start hunting for those who "were Jews " before and accuse them of not having left it and not being true. Yes, the Inquisition all over again.


The Right to Destroy Jewish History has never been worse at its believer's core than during and after the Holocaust.

Jews are not humans. Do NOT care about their history, the history also found in the writings of every people they dealt with, and every invader, conqueror, who to this day have not changed their history books to wipe out the Jews as a people.

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.

But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

Am Israel Chai
The People of Israel Live

So you make these claims to justify taking ancestral lands from everybody else?? Nobody wants to wipe out the Jews. What a vile accusation. Even the Torah tells you these are your half brothers and cousins.

The Ancestral lands became Israel 3000 years ago. And then others came and took from that. One only has to read history written by the Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, etc

But the Jews are the only who remain with a non stop history on the land. All the others blended with the other populations, or moved away.


I am sorry that you still do not get what the Holocaust in Europe was about. Aided by the Husseini clan who planned on building Concentration Camps in Palestine once Germany won the war, which it did not.


Keep believing that Husseini did not want to wipe out the Jews, as the Nazis did, as he himself did in Bosnia during WWII.

What in the world would those Concentration Camps have been for?

Our Half Brothers and Cousins have committed incredible crimes against the Jewish people for
the past 2000 years. Have negated the Jewish people any form of respect. And continue to do so.

Which is exactly why Hagar and Ishmael were thrown out of Abraham's home.

You, and others, want the People of Abraham to embrace those who call themselves descendants of Ishmael, while this very people continue to look for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people as a free people.

Not even Ishmael had the audacity to attack Abraham and his tribe as revenge or feeling of superiority.

So now you blame the Mufti for the Holocaust. How much land do you justify stealing with that bit of chicanery?

You forget that Abraham has six sons with Keturah who was a Midianite Arab. Is your education really so poor or is this deliberate?

 

[rylah]

Its against international law to colonized land taken in war. Palestine was NEVER just inhabited by Jews. They are Canaanites just like all the other Canaanites.

Ok if you say so...

 

[rylah]

How would you like for your population to double in 15 years with foreigners?

Indeed...

 

[rylah]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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O' Hmar ibn-majnouny, thank you for showing us the way,

let us follow your example to its logic conclusion:

For I was stolen from the land of the Hebrews, and here too, I have done nothing, for which they have put me into the dungeon."
Ber. 40:15​

 

[Sixties Fan]

So the British punished them by sending them to Hamburg, Germany. There, the British authorities compelled the passengers to disembark, and some were forcibly removed from the ship by clubbing them. The British then took the 4,500+ passengers, many of whom were refugees from concentration camps, and transferred to displaced person camps in Germany. The country from which they just escaped.

Seventy-four years ago, the British appeased the Arabs, denied Jews entry into the Holy Land, and sent them back to the Germany from which they had just escaped— to be guarded by Germans.



Today Great Britain and their European allies are still appeasing radical Islamists, their terrorism, their call for the destruction of the Jewish State, and the anti-Semitic hatred they teach their children. In 1947 the British physically attacked the Jews. Today they attack the Jews and Jewish history with their cowardly abstentions from U.N. votes.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

( I will jump a lot here)

Many public men in Great Britain were deeply interested in these efforts to restore the Jewish people to the Jewish land. Lord Shaftesbury was the foremost of them. 'The inherent vitality,' he wrote, 'of the Hebrew race reasserts itself with amazing persistence. Its genius, to tell the truth, adapts itself more or less to all the currents of civilization all over the world, nevertheless always emerging with distinctive features and a gallant recovery of vigor. There is unbroken identity of Jewish race and Jewish mind down to our times; but the great revival can take place only in the Holy Land.' He believed that the hour had struck for the Jewish restoration, and he labored to persuade English statesmen to take up the holy task. Another distinguished Englishman of those days who was penetrated with the same conviction was Colonel Churchill, the British Resident at Damascus, who urged upon the Jews the return to Palestine as the solution of the Eastern question.

A Jewish Palestine

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

www.theatlantic.com

What We Turn Loose Will Make Us Lose

And the Arabs are the complete opposite: a mindless and violent Neanderthalic species. So there's no point in debating which one is indigenous to the area. It begs the question by assuming that they are equal in usefulness to the rest of us. Unequal people don't have equal rights.

 

[watchingfromafar]

And the Arabs are the complete opposite: a mindless and violent Neanderthalic species. So there's no point in debating which one is indigenous to the area.

Your genetic linage may very well have some Neanderthalic traits

It begs the question by assuming that they are equal in usefulness to the rest of us. Unequal people don't have equal rights.

The south, based its foundation on the above principles LOST
never to return again, vanished, puff of nothingness
Such is history -

 

[Roudy]

im

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.

Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.

So there was no such thing as Palestine or a Palestinian, as per the Ottoma Muslims, who controlled the land for 600 years prior to WWI. Jews were a minority because they were invaded, as opposed to Arab Muslims, who invaded, looted, pillaged land after land throughout history.

 

[Roudy]

Of course they don't want to mention that so called "Palestinian" terrorist animals are known to intentionally attack and kill Jewish kids and infants in all kinds of settings such as nurseries and schools.

you are lying but that is not new for the likes of you
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Palestinian terrorists have not blown up restaurants, Jewish nurseries, stabbed little kids asleep in bed, targeting and stabbed old people, attacked synagogues and other religious places of worship, etc., while using their own schools, hospitals and mosques and rocket launch and storage sites? Exactly what planet do you live on. Those are undisputed facts.

 

[Roudy]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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So all those archeological sites and artifacts going back thousands of years showing Hebrew writing, currency, etc. showing life in ancient Juideah and Samaria has nothing to do with the promised land of Israel and the existence of Jews in the land.

This must be antisemitic comedy hour..

 

[Roudy]

im

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.

Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.

The issue has never been about how many Jews were on their ancient homeland.

The issue has been since 1948 as to whether an invading people like the Europeans in the Americans, Australia, can ever claim and appropriate themselves of indigenous archeology, culture and history in order to deny the indigenous people their rightful sovereignty over that land.

That is what the Arabs have been doing to the Jewish people.

Diminishing the issue to Numbers of population, does nothing but deny the Jewish people their legal right to fight for sovereignty of their own land, and especially as they ended up with ONLY 20% of it, and the invaders continue to demand that 20% for them, in the future leaving the Jews with no land to be sovereign over.

Whatever your childhood upbringing was, it has been augmented by the Romancing of Arabia, and all that Muslims have achieved at the cost of all indigenous people of the lands they moved into.

Arabs did not conquer the Middle East, the Kurds did.
Arabs did not conquer the South of Spain, the Moors did.

Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Assyrians and others have no right to be sovereign over their ancient lands, anymore than too many tribes in the American and Australian continents.

Numbers of populations throughout any invasion are meaningless as it does not take away any indigenous people their sovereign right to those lands.

Its against international law to colonized land taken in war. Palestine was NEVER just inhabited by Jews. They are Canaanites just like all the other Canaanites.

You are changing history.

Modern Arabs are not Canaanites.
Palestinians are not Canaanites.

"Its against international law to colonized land taken in war."

Tell that to the Muslims and Arabs and Turks, who have been warring against the indigenous people of the Middle East and North Africa, and colonizing each and every part of it, at the cost of indigenous rights.

When Arab states invade a legally formed state only because it is Jewish, the Jewish people have every right to defend themselves.

Unfortunately the Muslim and Christian population which follows the Muslim leaders with their lies, are the ones who continue to pay the price in not having a State of their own, something they could have had in 1936, 1947 and 2000.

Actions have consequences.

Teaching hateful things about an indigenous people because they are Jewish has consequences.

Again and again, attacking not only the Jewish country but the people who live in it, including Israeli Arabs, Druze, etc....has its consequences.

Hatred for the other since the 1st century, has its consequences.

Hatred for the other.....since the 7th century, has its consequences.

Christians and Muslims have hated and murdered too many Jews and done anything they thought they had the right to do with the Jews and their land.

The legal re creation of Israel, in order to defend and protect the Jewish people, is the consequence of all of these centuries of learned hatred.

How would you like for your population to double in 15 years with foreigners?

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

The Zionist Colonization of Palestine - Truthdig

For more than a century Zionists and, later, Israelis have pursued a project to seize and ethnically cleanse Palestinian land.

www.truthdig.com

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not the product of ancient ethnic hatreds. It is the tragic clash between two peoples with claims to the same land. It is a manufactured conflict, the outcome of...

Revised history designed to destroy Israel, and Jewish sovereignty of what is left of their ancient homeland.

78% of the Jewish homeland was GIVEN to the foreign Hashemites in 1922.

All you read is anti Israel articles.
Anti Jewish articles.

"Zionists are indigenous Europeans come to take the land from indigenous Arabs, as if....Arabs were indigenous of Ancient Canaan."

"The Jewish population were few
The Jews ethnically cleansed the Arabs from "their" lands"


Your lack of sense of history comes from romancing Arabs and Islam for most of your life.

Most, if not all your sources are people who fell in love with Islam and Arabs and their culture.

Can you introspect for any short time to find out if what I am saying could be true, and therefore your beliefs might be painted by them?

Have you read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, Atlantic Magazine July 1920?

Jews have been rewriting history for thousands of years. What about all those other people who lived in Palestine.. All those Canaanite tribes and Arabs etc? They didn't suddenly disappear?

Apparently you have not, and chose to read only the parts which matter to delegitimizing any Jewish rights to the Mandate for Palestine.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, util they became the minority.

Here is part of it:

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

By H. Sacher

THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State. The Zionist Organization dates from 1897, the year of the first Zionist Congress. The Zionist movement is a longing and striving to restore to the Jewish people normal national life. The Zionist Organization is a particular instrumentality for achieving that end. The Zionist movement will continue until the Jewish people are once more living a normal national life, when it will be transformed into the active expression of that normal national life. The Zionist Organization, when the particular phase of Jewish national life which called into being this special instrumentality has passed, will merge into some other instrumentality.

Best example of what you stated below is the near total annihilation of the indigenous Zoroastrians of Persia after the Muslim invasion whereby the native Zoroastrians were forced to convert, leave or be killed. Hence the majority fled to India as the Parsis.

Zionism is not any different from the Kurdish movement, The Copts, Berbers, and every other indigenous people who have had their lands invaded by Muslims and saw thousands of Arabs migrants moving into it, until they became the minority.

Arabs were in Palestine, Syria and the Levant long before Islam. Remember both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives.. Keturah and Zipporah.

I would love to see that passage in the Koran, where Mohammad says that Keturah and Zipporah were Arabs, and how Arabs should be proud of that .

Start reading the Koran

Are you kidding me? Didn't you know they were Arab women?

I am waiting for you to read the Koran.

How long will it take? How much time do you have?

I have read the Koran and I was lucky to have a Muslim judge help me..

In 1945 the Arabs told Roosevelt that he should give the best land in Germany to the Holocaust survivors.

How nice of the Arabs.