The Right To Destroy Jewish History

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    I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.

    I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.

    I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.

    We all know what has happened since 1920.

    But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?

    Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?

    This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?

    Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

    We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
    The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.

    The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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    In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.

    This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.

    Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.

    The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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    Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?

    Which one of you would dare do so?

    Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
    Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?

    Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.

    I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.

    Questions:

    How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?

    How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?

    What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
    (I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )

    DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?
     
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    Now that Jerusalem is off the table for negotiations, the Palestinians have a golden opportunity to now seek peace with Israel before they lose even more.
     
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    There is no such thing as "Jewish land."

    It was almost entirely Muslim and Christian for the last 1000 years before the zionists came from another continent.

    NOT A NEWS SOURCE! That site is a blog and vomits out the zionist narrative that only the most blind will latch on to.

    It appears that the wall you worship at is actually the wall of a Roman fort. Indee even admitted this. He claimed this is known and has been for some time.

    Right of return, end the occupation, free and fair elections, problem solved.

    Right of return, end the occupation, free and fair elections, problem solved.

    Right of return, end the occupation, free and fair elections, problem solved.

    This is what the zionists do and every time the world votes it is a landslide against your fascist leaders.

    Right of return, end the occupation, free and fair elections, problem solved.
     
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    "Right of return"! You bring up an outstanding point. Why is it that no Arab country will grant their Palestinians a "right of return"?
     
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    Dear Mr. Goebbles,

    You may have returned as Abi, it still does not give you the right to reject what you have already said yourself.
    The Jews are the Hebrews.

    As the descendants of the Hebrews they have all the rights to the Land of Israel. All of it, even if 80% of it has ended up in the hands of the invading Arabs.

    How odd that only Muslims reject the Jews as being the descendants of the Hebrews and Israelites.

    Christians do not do it. So much so that any and all excavations by Christian groups have Preserved the Jewish identity of those places they found. Just as they preserved the Christians and Muslim and Turkish identity of each excavation.

    But not Muslims.
    But not Arabs.
    Not since 1948.
    And especially NOT since 1967.

    Tell us Mr. Goebbles, how is the end of the destruction of Jewish identity and heritage going to be achieved?

    When are you going to stop serving the Muslim masters who are to conquer the world and destroy everything non Muslim and start helping all the cultures of the world to survive.....why?

    Because each and every culture in this world has the right to exist.

    But again, with the Palestinians telling the world that they are the descendants of the ancient Canaanites......


    WHY ARE THEY DESTROYING THEIR OWN HERITAGE AND HISTORY ??????
     
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    Sand began his work by looking for research studies about forcible exile of Jews from the area now bordered by modern Israel, and its surrounding regions. He was astonished that he could find no such literature, he says, given that the expulsion of Jews from the region is viewed as a constitutive event in Jewish history. The conclusion he came to from his subsequent investigation is that the expulsion simply did not happen, that no one exiled the Jewish people from the region, and that theJewish diaspora is essentially a modern invention. He accounts for the appearance of millions of Jews around the Mediterranean and elsewhere as something that came about primarily through the religious conversion of local people, saying that Judaism, contrary to popular opinion, was very much a "converting religion" in former times. He holds that mass conversions were first brought about by the Hasmoneans under the influence of Hellenism, and continued until Christianity rose to dominance in the fourth century CE.[18]

    Jewish origins[edit]
    Sand argues that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the Land of Israel and that a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed, and that just as most Christians and Muslims are the progeny of converted people, not of the first Christians and Muslims, Jews are also descended from converts. According to Sand, Judaism was originally, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion, and mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, Berber tribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom of the Arabian Peninsula.

    According to Sand, the original Jews living in Israel, contrary to popular belief, were not exiled by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba revolt.[18] The Romans permitted most Jews to remain in the country. Rather, the story of the exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the new faith. They portrayed that event as a divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel. Sand writes that "Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God."[19] Following the Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century, many local Jews converted to Islam and were assimilated among the Arab conquerors. Sand concludes that these converts are the ancestors of the contemporary Palestinians.[20]

    The Invention of the Jewish People - Wikipedia
     
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    Start your own thread on that.

    You are OFF TOPIC !!!!
     
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    The Topic is
    Jewish History, most of which is invented
     
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    That is not fair, but there is Jewish history and there is the zionist narrative.
     
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