The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[Mindful]

Jerusalem.
i24 News – Archeologists from the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) unveiled Thursday, impressive underground constructions dating from the end of the Second Temple period (beginning 1st century CE), and located in the Old City of Jerusalem.

With a luxurious lobby, parts of which the IAA has already revealed, the edifice includes a sophisticated fountain and was likely used for banquets and other gatherings of the local elite or to receive foreign dignitaries within walking distance of the Temple.

‘Magnificent’ 2,000-Year-Old Public Building Unearthed Near Western Wall - Algemeiner.com

i24 News – Archeologists from the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) unveiled Thursday, impressive underground constructions dating from the end of the Second Temple period (beginning 1st century CE), and located in the Old City of Jerusalem. With a luxurious lobby, parts of which the IAA has...

www.algemeiner.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Islamic Jihad's Palestine Today has released a slideshow/video called "How did Israeli propaganda start?"

It starts off with this picture of a page from the Talmud (not the tractate named, oddly) with the caption "The Israeli propaganda began to exploit the falsified religious tenets by resorting to the Talmud and the Torah":



It goes on to claim that the Zionists somehow managed to fool the Jews about what their own religion says and convinced them that they had roots in Israel, making up the phrase "a land of milk and honey."

The insidious propaganda continued as the Jews then even convinced the Western world that Jews came from Israel!

(full article online)

Islamic Jihad releases antisemitic video about how Jews lie about their ties to Israel

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[watchingfromafar]

The Right To Destroy Jewish History

History is the written record of the past. You can not change what has already occurred. You can try to twist it, bend it or deny it but the truth always comes out in the end.
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[MJB12741]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

Arabs were in Palestine long before Islam, stupid. Haven't you read any of this thread?

Yes Dopey, Arabs were in Palestine before Islam. But the overwhelming majority of today's Muslim Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

 

[watchingfromafar]

The insidious propaganda continued as the Jews then even convinced the Western world that Jews came from Israel!

The Right To Destroy Jewish History

History is the written record of the past. You can not change what has already occurred. You can try to twist it, bend it or deny it but the truth always comes out in the end.

There are two families of Jews.

[1] The ones who call themselves, Jews, who believe in the rule of law and most of all obey the Ten Commandments.
[2] Jews that call themselves Israelis, who steal, lie and murder to get what was not theirs in the first place.

One group above will fade away, shrink from within until there is none left.

Can you guess which one will flourish, multiply and be welcomed by the stranger-?

 

[watchingfromafar]

Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

MJB12741, how many children have you murdered?

idf shooting children - Google Search

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[MJB12741]

Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

MJB12741, how many children have you murdered?

idf shooting children - Google Search

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Let me dumb it down for you. When Israeli's are attacked, Israel will retaliate. If you don't want dead Palestinians, don't kill any Israeli's. Get it yet?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

MJB12741, how many children have you murdered?

idf shooting children - Google Search

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Let me dumb it down for you. When Israeli's are attacked, Israel will retaliate. If you don't want dead Palestinians, don't kill any Israeli's. Get it yet?

Oh, please, let us not answer this loser.
There are "good Jews", outside of Israel, and "Bad Jews", the Israelis.

Enough said?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

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www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

Well if you're going by what the real story is, Abraham had a son from Sara's handmaiden named Ishmael (or Esmael as you Muslims call him), that God called a violent unruly wild ass who's decendants will be at war with everbody, and commanded Abraham to kick him out of his house after Issac was born, to which God's promise of Israel and the Covenant went to.

You guys never mention that because it is the same foresaken Ishmael that Mohammad decided he is a decendant of. Seems like advanced DNA testing going back thousands of years existed among the moon worshipping tribes of 14th century Saudi Arabia.

History Leaves Clues; Historians Leave Confusion

Just because the Hebrews spoke a Semitic language doesn't mean that they are Semites. Jews and Arabs are so completely different that common sense would make us realize that they are no more related than American English-speakers must be of English descent.

In different chapters, the Bible gives two contradictory descriptions of Ishmael, the legendary founder of the Arab race. One is that he was a thrill-killing psycho; the other that he was a great leader. Continual historical events would assign a conclusion that the Hebrews were under an Arab Captivity and forced to learn a Semitic language and write propaganda in it. Since they originated in Sumeria, their original language was probably Indo-European (yes, disciples, that means "Aryan"!)

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So, imagine the Europeans moving in waves into the Americas and taking over the land of its indigenous people.

Imagine that many of those Europeans saw those nations as inferior to them.

Imagine that many of those Nations had to find a way to defend their territory and especially defend themselves from those who wanted to wipe them out. What they ended up doing was arming themselves, fighting the European invasion as best they could, and protect their land and their people.

Imagine, General George Custer and how he ended up being killed by the very people he wanted to wipe out.

This is what was happening in Palestine. The difference being that the Muslims had invaded 1400 years ago, and not 400 years ago.

After being treated like parasites, to be done with what some wanted to do with them, the Jews in the 19th century, especially after seeing that the Age of Enlightenment did not enlighten the Europeans to stop with their Jew hatred, began to move in large numbers back to their ancient homeland.

Then came the Dreyfus Affair, and the Damascus Affair, which are two of the events which led to some Jews to realize that they needed to plan how to legally achieve sovereignty over their ancient homeland.

They knew it would not be easy. They had the support of some Arab tribes in Palestine.
But the Husseini clan was extremist and would not accept it. And the British, after helping with the Balfour Declaration, went back on their word, one step at a time.

The British had a second Mandate, in Iraq. They equally sat silent as the Jews were attacked there in 1941, by Al Husseini and the Iraqis he incited against those Jews, who had nothing to do with the Mandate for Palestine.

The Farhoud Remembered

Seventy-six years after the mass massacre of the Baghdad Jews, in which the then-leader of the Palestinian Arabs, Hajj Amin Husseini, was deeply involved, his heirs to the Palestinian leadership still

besacenter.org

Unlike Custer, Al Husseini escaped being arrested for all the Jews he incited against, be it in Mandated Palestine, or Mandated Iraq.


The other biggest losers in Al Husseini's extremist behavior were the Arabs and others who lived on the land, or who had immigrated there since the late 1900s.

The Arab leaders promised a Jew Free Palestine for those in the southern part, and scared them with the idea that the Jews would have done to them exactly what the Muslims had done to the Jews in Hebron in 1929.


That is what happened in 1947-48.

The Arab leaders are also responsible for wanting more land, after taking Judea and Samaria and Gaza in 1948. Which is what led to the Jordanians again, and others to attack Israel.

The non Jewish population in the north of Israel, like Haifa, was asked to stay, and they stayed, and continue to live there to this day.

I do not know what Arabs you are talking about who were made to leave their homes in 1956, 1967 or 1973, unless they fled out of fear, which will happen whenever any war is declared.


Israel did not kick out any population out of Judea and Samaria once it won it in the 1967 war which was started by the Arab countries. The Arab, and others, population continues to live there.
The Jews are the ones who were kicked out of those areas in 1948, as others had been in 1920 in Gaza, 1929 in Hebron, and 1925 from TranJordan.

I do not hear you being upset about Jews being ethnically cleansed from their ancient homeland. Others who view the Jews as being "Europeans" show the same lack of empathy for the Jews, which they choose to show for the ones who do not want the Jews to be a free people, on their own ancient homeland.

So, history is ignored or rewritten and numbers used to show "proof" that the Jews did not have the right to the land.


That is the premise of The Right to Destroy Jewish History.

Because it is meant to destroy the Jewish people for good.

Daniel Boonestein

Politically correct, but backwards. The Arab savages are like the American Indian savages. Evolution demanded that both races had to be evicted in order for advanced races to create prosperity and security for the whole world. Both inferior races were nothing but bandit tribes, a perpetual threat to human civilization.

Before the Jews came back, the Holy Land was nothing more than a pit stop for desert bandits. American Indians were also criminal tribes on the run from advanced Asian justice. A hideout is not a homeland.

 

[surada]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

Arabs were in Palestine long before Islam, stupid. Haven't you read any of this thread?

Yes Dopey, Arabs were in Palestine before Islam. But the overwhelming majority of today's Muslim Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

Oh for heaven's sake.. The Arabs have been in Palestine more than 2000 years. They didn'tmove in from Poland. Russia, Germany etc.

 

[surada]

So, imagine the Europeans moving in waves into the Americas and taking over the land of its indigenous people.

Imagine that many of those Europeans saw those nations as inferior to them.

Imagine that many of those Nations had to find a way to defend their territory and especially defend themselves from those who wanted to wipe them out. What they ended up doing was arming themselves, fighting the European invasion as best they could, and protect their land and their people.

Imagine, General George Custer and how he ended up being killed by the very people he wanted to wipe out.

This is what was happening in Palestine. The difference being that the Muslims had invaded 1400 years ago, and not 400 years ago.

After being treated like parasites, to be done with what some wanted to do with them, the Jews in the 19th century, especially after seeing that the Age of Enlightenment did not enlighten the Europeans to stop with their Jew hatred, began to move in large numbers back to their ancient homeland.

Then came the Dreyfus Affair, and the Damascus Affair, which are two of the events which led to some Jews to realize that they needed to plan how to legally achieve sovereignty over their ancient homeland.

They knew it would not be easy. They had the support of some Arab tribes in Palestine.
But the Husseini clan was extremist and would not accept it. And the British, after helping with the Balfour Declaration, went back on their word, one step at a time.

The British had a second Mandate, in Iraq. They equally sat silent as the Jews were attacked there in 1941, by Al Husseini and the Iraqis he incited against those Jews, who had nothing to do with the Mandate for Palestine.

The Farhoud Remembered

Seventy-six years after the mass massacre of the Baghdad Jews, in which the then-leader of the Palestinian Arabs, Hajj Amin Husseini, was deeply involved, his heirs to the Palestinian leadership still

besacenter.org

Unlike Custer, Al Husseini escaped being arrested for all the Jews he incited against, be it in Mandated Palestine, or Mandated Iraq.


The other biggest losers in Al Husseini's extremist behavior were the Arabs and others who lived on the land, or who had immigrated there since the late 1900s.

The Arab leaders promised a Jew Free Palestine for those in the southern part, and scared them with the idea that the Jews would have done to them exactly what the Muslims had done to the Jews in Hebron in 1929.


That is what happened in 1947-48.

The Arab leaders are also responsible for wanting more land, after taking Judea and Samaria and Gaza in 1948. Which is what led to the Jordanians again, and others to attack Israel.

The non Jewish population in the north of Israel, like Haifa, was asked to stay, and they stayed, and continue to live there to this day.

I do not know what Arabs you are talking about who were made to leave their homes in 1956, 1967 or 1973, unless they fled out of fear, which will happen whenever any war is declared.


Israel did not kick out any population out of Judea and Samaria once it won it in the 1967 war which was started by the Arab countries. The Arab, and others, population continues to live there.
The Jews are the ones who were kicked out of those areas in 1948, as others had been in 1920 in Gaza, 1929 in Hebron, and 1925 from TranJordan.

I do not hear you being upset about Jews being ethnically cleansed from their ancient homeland. Others who view the Jews as being "Europeans" show the same lack of empathy for the Jews, which they choose to show for the ones who do not want the Jews to be a free people, on their own ancient homeland.

So, history is ignored or rewritten and numbers used to show "proof" that the Jews did not have the right to the land.


That is the premise of The Right to Destroy Jewish History.

Because it is meant to destroy the Jewish people for good.

Daniel Boonestein

Politically correct, but backwards. The Arab savages are like the American Indian savages. Evolution demanded that both races had to be evicted in order for advanced races to create prosperity and security for the whole world. Both inferior races were nothing but bandit tribes, a perpetual threat to human civilization.

Before the Jews came back, the Holy Land was nothing more than a pit stop for desert bandits. American Indians were also criminal tribes on the run from advanced Asian justice. A hideout is not a homeland.

Really? Have you forgotten about the German dairy farms?

 

[surada]

Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

MJB12741, how many children have you murdered?

idf shooting children - Google Search

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Let me dumb it down for you. When Israeli's are attacked, Israel will retaliate. If you don't want dead Palestinians, don't kill any Israeli's. Get it yet?

Israelis attacked the Al Aqsa mosque last month.

 

[surada]

So, imagine the Europeans moving in waves into the Americas and taking over the land of its indigenous people.

Imagine that many of those Europeans saw those nations as inferior to them.

Imagine that many of those Nations had to find a way to defend their territory and especially defend themselves from those who wanted to wipe them out. What they ended up doing was arming themselves, fighting the European invasion as best they could, and protect their land and their people.

Imagine, General George Custer and how he ended up being killed by the very people he wanted to wipe out.

This is what was happening in Palestine. The difference being that the Muslims had invaded 1400 years ago, and not 400 years ago.

After being treated like parasites, to be done with what some wanted to do with them, the Jews in the 19th century, especially after seeing that the Age of Enlightenment did not enlighten the Europeans to stop with their Jew hatred, began to move in large numbers back to their ancient homeland.

Then came the Dreyfus Affair, and the Damascus Affair, which are two of the events which led to some Jews to realize that they needed to plan how to legally achieve sovereignty over their ancient homeland.

They knew it would not be easy. They had the support of some Arab tribes in Palestine.
But the Husseini clan was extremist and would not accept it. And the British, after helping with the Balfour Declaration, went back on their word, one step at a time.

The British had a second Mandate, in Iraq. They equally sat silent as the Jews were attacked there in 1941, by Al Husseini and the Iraqis he incited against those Jews, who had nothing to do with the Mandate for Palestine.

The Farhoud Remembered

Seventy-six years after the mass massacre of the Baghdad Jews, in which the then-leader of the Palestinian Arabs, Hajj Amin Husseini, was deeply involved, his heirs to the Palestinian leadership still

besacenter.org

Unlike Custer, Al Husseini escaped being arrested for all the Jews he incited against, be it in Mandated Palestine, or Mandated Iraq.


The other biggest losers in Al Husseini's extremist behavior were the Arabs and others who lived on the land, or who had immigrated there since the late 1900s.

The Arab leaders promised a Jew Free Palestine for those in the southern part, and scared them with the idea that the Jews would have done to them exactly what the Muslims had done to the Jews in Hebron in 1929.


That is what happened in 1947-48.

The Arab leaders are also responsible for wanting more land, after taking Judea and Samaria and Gaza in 1948. Which is what led to the Jordanians again, and others to attack Israel.

The non Jewish population in the north of Israel, like Haifa, was asked to stay, and they stayed, and continue to live there to this day.

I do not know what Arabs you are talking about who were made to leave their homes in 1956, 1967 or 1973, unless they fled out of fear, which will happen whenever any war is declared.


Israel did not kick out any population out of Judea and Samaria once it won it in the 1967 war which was started by the Arab countries. The Arab, and others, population continues to live there.
The Jews are the ones who were kicked out of those areas in 1948, as others had been in 1920 in Gaza, 1929 in Hebron, and 1925 from TranJordan.

I do not hear you being upset about Jews being ethnically cleansed from their ancient homeland. Others who view the Jews as being "Europeans" show the same lack of empathy for the Jews, which they choose to show for the ones who do not want the Jews to be a free people, on their own ancient homeland.

So, history is ignored or rewritten and numbers used to show "proof" that the Jews did not have the right to the land.


That is the premise of The Right to Destroy Jewish History.

Because it is meant to destroy the Jewish people for good.

Daniel Boonestein

Politically correct, but backwards. The Arab savages are like the American Indian savages. Evolution demanded that both races had to be evicted in order for advanced races to create prosperity and security for the whole world. Both inferior races were nothing but bandit tribes, a perpetual threat to human civilization.

Before the Jews came back, the Holy Land was nothing more than a pit stop for desert bandits. American Indians were also criminal tribes on the run from advanced Asian justice. A hideout is not a homeland.

Are you a Christian?

Keturah had six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah (Gen. 25 v 2). Here are the Hebrew meanings of their names in order: "musician", "snarer", "contention", "strife", "he releases", "wealth". The six sons represent the prophetic destiny of the descendants of Keturah in the Arab peninsula.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Today, on Tisha B'Av, Jews mourn the destruction of the first and second Temples in Jerusalem (586 BCE and 70 CE). However, the Palestinian Authority denies that there ever was a Temple, consistently referring to Solomon's Temple as "the alleged Temple." Moreover, the PA also teaches its people that there was never a Jewish history in Jerusalem.

The Palestinian Authority claims persistently that Israel is "Judaizing" Jerusalem, as Palestinian Media Watch has documented. Israel is said to:

- falsify historical artifacts in order to prove a "false" Jewish history in Jerusalem
- destroy Palestinian and Islamic relics and signs of an Arab presence in the city
- plot to take over and destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque in order to rebuild the "alleged Temple"
in its stead

The cartoon above published by Fatah captures this Palestinian narrative. Israeli soldiers are shooting their rifles and rolling a Torah scroll over the word "Jerusalem" which is bloodstained.
[July 13, 2015] Israel is said to be forcing a fake Jewish history on Jerusalem.

Five recent PA TV programs repeated these historical revisions:

1. PA Deputy Minister of Jerusalem Affairs Salwa Hadib recently declared that "the Palestinian people has been present in it [Jerusalem] for thousands of years... centuries before the Jewish religion." She also claimed that Israelis "are stealing history and geography":

(full article online)

PA: Jerusalem never had a Jewish Temple | PMW Analysis

The Palestinian Authority claims persistently that Israel is “Judaizing” Jerusalem. (July 26, 2015)

palwatch.org

 

[MJB12741]

Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

MJB12741, how many children have you murdered?

idf shooting children - Google Search

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Let me dumb it down for you. When Israeli's are attacked, Israel will retaliate. If you don't want dead Palestinians, don't kill any Israeli's. Get it yet?

Oh, please, let us not answer this loser.
There are "good Jews", outside of Israel, and "Bad Jews", the Israelis.

Enough said?

He needs to start a new movement --- LLM --- Loser's Lives Matter.

 

[surada]

Today, on Tisha B'Av, Jews mourn the destruction of the first and second Temples in Jerusalem (586 BCE and 70 CE). However, the Palestinian Authority denies that there ever was a Temple, consistently referring to Solomon's Temple as "the alleged Temple." Moreover, the PA also teaches its people that there was never a Jewish history in Jerusalem.

The Palestinian Authority claims persistently that Israel is "Judaizing" Jerusalem, as Palestinian Media Watch has documented. Israel is said to:

- falsify historical artifacts in order to prove a "false" Jewish history in Jerusalem
- destroy Palestinian and Islamic relics and signs of an Arab presence in the city
- plot to take over and destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque in order to rebuild the "alleged Temple"
in its stead

The cartoon above published by Fatah captures this Palestinian narrative. Israeli soldiers are shooting their rifles and rolling a Torah scroll over the word "Jerusalem" which is bloodstained.
[July 13, 2015] Israel is said to be forcing a fake Jewish history on Jerusalem.

Five recent PA TV programs repeated these historical revisions:

1. PA Deputy Minister of Jerusalem Affairs Salwa Hadib recently declared that "the Palestinian people has been present in it [Jerusalem] for thousands of years... centuries before the Jewish religion." She also claimed that Israelis "are stealing history and geography":

(full article online)

PA: Jerusalem never had a Jewish Temple | PMW Analysis

The Palestinian Authority claims persistently that Israel is “Judaizing” Jerusalem. (July 26, 2015)

palwatch.org

W

 

[rylah]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

Arabs were in Palestine long before Islam, stupid. Haven't you read any of this thread?

Yes Dopey, Arabs were in Palestine before Islam. But the overwhelming majority of today's Muslim Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

Oh for heaven's sake.. The Arabs have been in Palestine more than 2000 years. They didn'tmove in from Poland. Russia, Germany etc.

Arabs came from the same countries they've expelled Jews.

Most of them came less than a century ago, hence even their
entire refugee welfare fraud is based on a mere "2 years of residency".

 

[rylah]

Palestinians are just land thieves with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.

MJB12741, how many children have you murdered?

idf shooting children - Google Search

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Let me dumb it down for you. When Israeli's are attacked, Israel will retaliate. If you don't want dead Palestinians, don't kill any Israeli's. Get it yet?

Israelis attacked the Al Aqsa mosque last month.

More like your cretin ilk
almost burned down a mosque
trying to shoot fireworks at Jews praying in Jerusalem.

 

[rylah]

So, imagine the Europeans moving in waves into the Americas and taking over the land of its indigenous people.

Imagine that many of those Europeans saw those nations as inferior to them.

Imagine that many of those Nations had to find a way to defend their territory and especially defend themselves from those who wanted to wipe them out. What they ended up doing was arming themselves, fighting the European invasion as best they could, and protect their land and their people.

Imagine, General George Custer and how he ended up being killed by the very people he wanted to wipe out.

This is what was happening in Palestine. The difference being that the Muslims had invaded 1400 years ago, and not 400 years ago.

After being treated like parasites, to be done with what some wanted to do with them, the Jews in the 19th century, especially after seeing that the Age of Enlightenment did not enlighten the Europeans to stop with their Jew hatred, began to move in large numbers back to their ancient homeland.

Then came the Dreyfus Affair, and the Damascus Affair, which are two of the events which led to some Jews to realize that they needed to plan how to legally achieve sovereignty over their ancient homeland.

They knew it would not be easy. They had the support of some Arab tribes in Palestine.
But the Husseini clan was extremist and would not accept it. And the British, after helping with the Balfour Declaration, went back on their word, one step at a time.

The British had a second Mandate, in Iraq. They equally sat silent as the Jews were attacked there in 1941, by Al Husseini and the Iraqis he incited against those Jews, who had nothing to do with the Mandate for Palestine.

The Farhoud Remembered

Seventy-six years after the mass massacre of the Baghdad Jews, in which the then-leader of the Palestinian Arabs, Hajj Amin Husseini, was deeply involved, his heirs to the Palestinian leadership still

besacenter.org

Unlike Custer, Al Husseini escaped being arrested for all the Jews he incited against, be it in Mandated Palestine, or Mandated Iraq.


The other biggest losers in Al Husseini's extremist behavior were the Arabs and others who lived on the land, or who had immigrated there since the late 1900s.

The Arab leaders promised a Jew Free Palestine for those in the southern part, and scared them with the idea that the Jews would have done to them exactly what the Muslims had done to the Jews in Hebron in 1929.


That is what happened in 1947-48.

The Arab leaders are also responsible for wanting more land, after taking Judea and Samaria and Gaza in 1948. Which is what led to the Jordanians again, and others to attack Israel.

The non Jewish population in the north of Israel, like Haifa, was asked to stay, and they stayed, and continue to live there to this day.

I do not know what Arabs you are talking about who were made to leave their homes in 1956, 1967 or 1973, unless they fled out of fear, which will happen whenever any war is declared.


Israel did not kick out any population out of Judea and Samaria once it won it in the 1967 war which was started by the Arab countries. The Arab, and others, population continues to live there.
The Jews are the ones who were kicked out of those areas in 1948, as others had been in 1920 in Gaza, 1929 in Hebron, and 1925 from TranJordan.

I do not hear you being upset about Jews being ethnically cleansed from their ancient homeland. Others who view the Jews as being "Europeans" show the same lack of empathy for the Jews, which they choose to show for the ones who do not want the Jews to be a free people, on their own ancient homeland.

So, history is ignored or rewritten and numbers used to show "proof" that the Jews did not have the right to the land.


That is the premise of The Right to Destroy Jewish History.

Because it is meant to destroy the Jewish people for good.

Daniel Boonestein

Politically correct, but backwards. The Arab savages are like the American Indian savages. Evolution demanded that both races had to be evicted in order for advanced races to create prosperity and security for the whole world. Both inferior races were nothing but bandit tribes, a perpetual threat to human civilization.

Before the Jews came back, the Holy Land was nothing more than a pit stop for desert bandits. American Indians were also criminal tribes on the run from advanced Asian justice. A hideout is not a homeland.

Are you a Christian?

Keturah had six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah (Gen. 25 v 2). Here are the Hebrew meanings of their names in order: "musician", "snarer", "contention", "strife", "he releases", "wealth". The six sons represent the prophetic destiny of the descendants of Keturah in the Arab peninsula.

And which of them match
any of the names of the Qahtan or Qays tribes?

Problem with Arab supremacists like you is that after raping the entire middle east,
you simply cannot fathom that Arabs are not the only nation in the region,
and revision everything to match your supremacist ideology.