The Right To Destroy Jewish History

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There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

 

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There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

By 1922 some 200,000 European Jews had arrived in Palestine. They were all socialists or Bolsheviks.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, the Atlantic. July 1920.

They had already begun forming Zionist terror gangs.

 

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There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

Arabs were in Palestine long before Islam, stupid. Haven't you read any of this thread?

 

[watchingfromafar]

The Right To Destroy Jewish History

Only God has that right.

God chose them to be His special people.
God loved His chosen.
God gave his chosen instruction on how to get His grace.

The term “stranger” is referenced 128 times in the KJV of the Bible.

You should check this out.

God was displeased on what His chosen were doing and scattered them as a result.
God then decided to give His chosen a second chance and gathered them.
They were gathered in 1947ad.

Today, this is what God sees
IDF shoots Palestinian children - Google Search

Now, in our lifetime we are going to be a witness to Gods final judgement of them.

Does anyone believe they will repent?
Does anyone believe they will confess their sins?
Does anyone believe they will ask the Lord for forgiveness?

I have my opinion on this, what is yours?

The right to destroy Jewish history is Gods right, and He will exercise that right, right before our eyes for all to see.

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[surada]

The Right To Destroy Jewish History

Only God has that right.

God chose them to be His special people.
God loved His chosen.
God gave his chosen instruction on how to get His grace.

The term “stranger” is referenced 128 times in the KJV of the Bible.

You should check this out.

God was displeased on what His chosen were doing and scattered them as a result.
God then decided to give His chosen a second chance and gathered them.
They were gathered in 1947ad.

Today, this is what God sees
IDF shoots Palestinian children - Google Search

Now, in our lifetime we are going to be a witness to Gods final judgement of them.

Does anyone believe they will repent?
Does anyone believe they will confess their sins?
Does anyone believe they will ask the Lord for forgiveness?

I have my opinion on this, what is yours?

The right to destroy Jewish history is Gods right, and He will exercise that right, right before our eyes for all to see.

-

Check your scripture.. They were gathered after the Babylonian exile.

God also loved the people of Nineveh.. See the comic novella of Jonah.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

By 1922 some 200,000 European Jews had arrived in Palestine. They were all socialists or Bolsheviks.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, the Atlantic. July 1920.

They had already begun forming Zionist terror gangs.

A Jewish Palestine

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

www.theatlantic.com

What is wrong with Jews from Russia and other countries moving back to their ancient homeland and buying land there?

Nothing.

Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland from the 1820s on. And actually, as discussed before, some have always returned home, due to pogroms, or they simply wanted to return.

Nothing wrong with that.

In 1920 all Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
In 1921 the Jews were attacked, for being Jews.


Tell any indigenous people, that some people who live in some of your ancestral land will attack you and want to kill you and watch them no take steps to protect themselves.

Terrorism is what Al Husseini did from the start of the Mandate for Palestine, telling the Jews that only a dead Jew, basically, was going to be allowed to live there is a sovereign Jewish state.

The Jews had to arm themselves, not only due to the Muslim attacks but because the British refused to protect them.

The same thing happened in Iraq in 1941 when the "Palestinian" leader Al Husseini went there and caused the Fahrud to happen to the Jewish population there.


Read things as you like. History is there, and it will not be destroyed.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Right To Destroy Jewish History

Only God has that right.

God chose them to be His special people.
God loved His chosen.
God gave his chosen instruction on how to get His grace.

The term “stranger” is referenced 128 times in the KJV of the Bible.

You should check this out.

God was displeased on what His chosen were doing and scattered them as a result.
God then decided to give His chosen a second chance and gathered them.
They were gathered in 1947ad.

Today, this is what God sees
IDF shoots Palestinian children - Google Search

Now, in our lifetime we are going to be a witness to Gods final judgement of them.

Does anyone believe they will repent?
Does anyone believe they will confess their sins?
Does anyone believe they will ask the Lord for forgiveness?

I have my opinion on this, what is yours?

The right to destroy Jewish history is Gods right, and He will exercise that right, right before our eyes for all to see.

-

Check your scripture.. They were gathered after the Babylonian exile.

God also loved the people of Nineveh.. See the comic novella of Jonah.

Not part of this thread.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

Arabs were in Palestine long before Islam, stupid. Haven't you read any of this thread?

Not part of this thread.

 

[surada]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

By 1922 some 200,000 European Jews had arrived in Palestine. They were all socialists or Bolsheviks.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, the Atlantic. July 1920.

They had already begun forming Zionist terror gangs.

A Jewish Palestine

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

www.theatlantic.com

What is wrong with Jews from Russia and other countries moving back to their ancient homeland and buying land there?

Nothing.

Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland from the 1820s on. And actually, as discussed before, some have always returned home, due to pogroms, or they simply wanted to return.

Nothing wrong with that.

In 1920 all Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
In 1921 the Jews were attacked, for being Jews.


Tell any indigenous people, that some people who live in some of your ancestral land will attack you and want to kill you and watch them no take steps to protect themselves.

Terrorism is what Al Husseini did from the start of the Mandate for Palestine, telling the Jews that only a dead Jew, basically, was going to be allowed to live there is a sovereign Jewish state.

The Jews had to arm themselves, not only due to the Muslim attacks but because the British refused to protect them.

The same thing happened in Iraq in 1941 when the "Palestinian" leader Al Husseini went there and caused the Fahrud to happen to the Jewish population there.


Read things as you like. History is there, and it will not be destroyed.

The Jewish terror gangs had killed over 500 British peacekeepers by 1947. They even murdered Count Bernadotte who had saved 30,000 Jews from the Holocaust.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

By 1922 some 200,000 European Jews had arrived in Palestine. They were all socialists or Bolsheviks.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, the Atlantic. July 1920.

They had already begun forming Zionist terror gangs.

A Jewish Palestine

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

www.theatlantic.com

What is wrong with Jews from Russia and other countries moving back to their ancient homeland and buying land there?

Nothing.

Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland from the 1820s on. And actually, as discussed before, some have always returned home, due to pogroms, or they simply wanted to return.

Nothing wrong with that.

In 1920 all Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
In 1921 the Jews were attacked, for being Jews.


Tell any indigenous people, that some people who live in some of your ancestral land will attack you and want to kill you and watch them no take steps to protect themselves.

Terrorism is what Al Husseini did from the start of the Mandate for Palestine, telling the Jews that only a dead Jew, basically, was going to be allowed to live there is a sovereign Jewish state.

The Jews had to arm themselves, not only due to the Muslim attacks but because the British refused to protect them.

The same thing happened in Iraq in 1941 when the "Palestinian" leader Al Husseini went there and caused the Fahrud to happen to the Jewish population there.


Read things as you like. History is there, and it will not be destroyed.

The Jewish terror gangs had killed over 500 British peacekeepers by 1947. They even murdered Count Bernadotte who had saved 30,000 Jews from the Holocaust.

This part belongs on this thread:

The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

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www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

By 1922 some 200,000 European Jews had arrived in Palestine. They were all socialists or Bolsheviks.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, the Atlantic. July 1920.

They had already begun forming Zionist terror gangs.

A Jewish Palestine

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

www.theatlantic.com

What is wrong with Jews from Russia and other countries moving back to their ancient homeland and buying land there?

Nothing.

Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland from the 1820s on. And actually, as discussed before, some have always returned home, due to pogroms, or they simply wanted to return.

Nothing wrong with that.

In 1920 all Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
In 1921 the Jews were attacked, for being Jews.


Tell any indigenous people, that some people who live in some of your ancestral land will attack you and want to kill you and watch them no take steps to protect themselves.

Terrorism is what Al Husseini did from the start of the Mandate for Palestine, telling the Jews that only a dead Jew, basically, was going to be allowed to live there is a sovereign Jewish state.

The Jews had to arm themselves, not only due to the Muslim attacks but because the British refused to protect them.

The same thing happened in Iraq in 1941 when the "Palestinian" leader Al Husseini went there and caused the Fahrud to happen to the Jewish population there.


Read things as you like. History is there, and it will not be destroyed.

The Jewish terror gangs had killed over 500 British peacekeepers by 1947. They even murdered Count Bernadotte who had saved 30,000 Jews from the Holocaust.

I posted about it in the link I posted above. If you wish to discuss it.....

 

[surada]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

By 1922 some 200,000 European Jews had arrived in Palestine. They were all socialists or Bolsheviks.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, the Atlantic. July 1920.

They had already begun forming Zionist terror gangs.

A Jewish Palestine

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

www.theatlantic.com

What is wrong with Jews from Russia and other countries moving back to their ancient homeland and buying land there?

Nothing.

Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland from the 1820s on. And actually, as discussed before, some have always returned home, due to pogroms, or they simply wanted to return.

Nothing wrong with that.

In 1920 all Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
In 1921 the Jews were attacked, for being Jews.


Tell any indigenous people, that some people who live in some of your ancestral land will attack you and want to kill you and watch them no take steps to protect themselves.

Terrorism is what Al Husseini did from the start of the Mandate for Palestine, telling the Jews that only a dead Jew, basically, was going to be allowed to live there is a sovereign Jewish state.

The Jews had to arm themselves, not only due to the Muslim attacks but because the British refused to protect them.

The same thing happened in Iraq in 1941 when the "Palestinian" leader Al Husseini went there and caused the Fahrud to happen to the Jewish population there.


Read things as you like. History is there, and it will not be destroyed.

The Jewish terror gangs had killed over 500 British peacekeepers by 1947. They even murdered Count Bernadotte who had saved 30,000 Jews from the Holocaust.

I posted about it in the link I posted above. If you wish to discuss it.....

I agree that it was disasterous. They left in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. If only they could have held on, but European Zionism was very contentious and aggressive. I have always said it was a huge loss for the Arab world.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

By 1922 some 200,000 European Jews had arrived in Palestine. They were all socialists or Bolsheviks.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, the Atlantic. July 1920.

They had already begun forming Zionist terror gangs.

A Jewish Palestine

"The idea of Judaism is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish people, and the idea of the Jewish people is inseparable from the idea of the Jewish land"

www.theatlantic.com

What is wrong with Jews from Russia and other countries moving back to their ancient homeland and buying land there?

Nothing.

Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland from the 1820s on. And actually, as discussed before, some have always returned home, due to pogroms, or they simply wanted to return.

Nothing wrong with that.

In 1920 all Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
In 1921 the Jews were attacked, for being Jews.


Tell any indigenous people, that some people who live in some of your ancestral land will attack you and want to kill you and watch them no take steps to protect themselves.

Terrorism is what Al Husseini did from the start of the Mandate for Palestine, telling the Jews that only a dead Jew, basically, was going to be allowed to live there is a sovereign Jewish state.

The Jews had to arm themselves, not only due to the Muslim attacks but because the British refused to protect them.

The same thing happened in Iraq in 1941 when the "Palestinian" leader Al Husseini went there and caused the Fahrud to happen to the Jewish population there.


Read things as you like. History is there, and it will not be destroyed.

The Jewish terror gangs had killed over 500 British peacekeepers by 1947. They even murdered Count Bernadotte who had saved 30,000 Jews from the Holocaust.

I posted about it in the link I posted above. If you wish to discuss it.....

I agree that it was disasterous. They left in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. If only they could have held on, but European Zionism was very contentious and aggressive. I have always said it was a huge loss for the Arab world.

You are rewriting history.

Israel is made of Ashkenazi, Sepharadi and Mizrahi Jews. Always has been because Jews have been moving back and forth for thousands of years, always returning to their homeland, and whenever they could, holding on to their religion, their culture, and the dream of returning to their homeland and being sovereign over it again.

The main people responsible for the majority of Arabs leaving in those years are their leaders, who could not stand the idea of a sovereign Jewish state, and even fought other Arab tribes which wanted to live in peace with the Jews earlier in the 1920s.

And the main leader and tribe responsible for this is called Al-Husseini who lied about what the Jews were going to do, kill the Arabs, and incited them at every turn.

But, Zionism goes back as far as the time in Egypt, longing to be returned to their homeland.

History of Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Continued.....

 

[Sixties Fan]

Here is one of the reasons the Zionist Organization was finally formed:

Jewish Persecution in Syria

Jews in Syria suffered some of the worst oppression under Muslim rule of any of the ancient Jewish communities - who existed in the Middle East even before the Muslim conquests in the region. This is their story, a story of struggle and oppression, for which reparations have not been made to this day by Syria or the Arab League.

As we lead up to the memorial day for the Jewish refugees from Arab countries, we share the stories of the ancient Jewish communities who were virtually wiped out by racism, extremism and violence in the Middle East.



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(At the same time, this was happening in Europe)


But Lueger would herald the coming 20th century in another, more ominous manner: He demagogically described the Jews as a cabal controlling Europe and as the central threat facing European civilization. “The influence of the masses,” Lueger inveighed in one speech, “is in the hands of the Jews, the greater part of the press is in their hands, by far the largest part of all capital and, in particular high finance, is in Jewish hands, and in this respect the Jews operate a terrorism that could hardly be worse.” Austria’s goal, Lueger argued, must be “liberating Christian people from the hegemony of Jewry.”

​

Lueger’s anti-Semitic diatribes earned him the adulation of the Austrian masses, among them a young man by the name of Adolf Hitler who studied in Vienna during the mayor’s administration. Hitler would cite Lueger as his role model and make special mention of Der Schone Karl in his own memoir, Mein Kampf: “I regard this man as the greatest German mayor of all time. If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people.” Knowing this lends an extraordinarily eerie perspective to Herzl’s own description in his diary of Karl Lueger on the hustings:
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Thus it can be said that, in 1895, Vienna’s leader taught Hitler his insidious craft and also inspired Herzl’s Zionist dream. Others had already written of a restored Jewish society, but Herzl became convinced that only as a genuinely political movement could Zionism succeed. “What,” Herzl wrote immediately after Lueger’s election, “is a flag? A pole and a piece of cloth? No Sir. A flag is greater than this. With a flag people are led to where you want, even to the chosen land. For a flag, people live and die. It is the one thing people are willing to die for.”

(full article online)

How Chancellor Kurz Redeemed Vienna

As Hamas fired missile after missile into Israel, the Internet was inundated with celebrity condemnations of the Jewish state and misinformation from the media. Yet one pro-Israel image strikingly stood

www.commentarymagazine.com

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(The Jewish People were getting it in Europe and the Middle East.
Some in both religions were telling the Jews, and acting on it with Pogroms, that they did not belong and could never belong)

n 1862 Moses Hess, a former associate of Karl Marx and Frederich Engels, wrote Rome and Jerusalem. The Last National Question calling for the Jews to create a socialist state in Palestine as a means of settling the Jewish question. Also in 1862, German Orthodox Rabbi Kalischer published his tractate Derishat Zion, arguing that the salvation of the Jews, promised by the Prophets, can come about only by self-help.[13] In 1882, after the Odessa pogrom, Judah Leib Pinsker published the pamphlet Auto-Emancipation (self-emancipation), arguing that Jews could only be truly free in their own country and analyzing the persistent tendency of Europeans to regard Jews as aliens:

"Since the Jew is nowhere at home, nowhere regarded as a native, he remains an alien everywhere. That he himself and his ancestors as well are born in the country does not alter this fact in the least... to the living the Jew is a corpse, to the native a foreigner, to the homesteader a vagrant, to the proprietary a beggar, to the poor an exploiter and a millionaire, to the patriot a man without a country, for all a hated rival."[14]

History of Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Continued....

 

[Sixties Fan]

So, imagine the Europeans moving in waves into the Americas and taking over the land of its indigenous people.

Imagine that many of those Europeans saw those nations as inferior to them.

Imagine that many of those Nations had to find a way to defend their territory and especially defend themselves from those who wanted to wipe them out. What they ended up doing was arming themselves, fighting the European invasion as best they could, and protect their land and their people.

Imagine, General George Custer and how he ended up being killed by the very people he wanted to wipe out.

This is what was happening in Palestine. The difference being that the Muslims had invaded 1400 years ago, and not 400 years ago.

After being treated like parasites, to be done with what some wanted to do with them, the Jews in the 19th century, especially after seeing that the Age of Enlightenment did not enlighten the Europeans to stop with their Jew hatred, began to move in large numbers back to their ancient homeland.

Then came the Dreyfus Affair, and the Damascus Affair, which are two of the events which led to some Jews to realize that they needed to plan how to legally achieve sovereignty over their ancient homeland.

They knew it would not be easy. They had the support of some Arab tribes in Palestine.
But the Husseini clan was extremist and would not accept it. And the British, after helping with the Balfour Declaration, went back on their word, one step at a time.

The British had a second Mandate, in Iraq. They equally sat silent as the Jews were attacked there in 1941, by Al Husseini and the Iraqis he incited against those Jews, who had nothing to do with the Mandate for Palestine.

The Farhoud Remembered

Seventy-six years after the mass massacre of the Baghdad Jews, in which the then-leader of the Palestinian Arabs, Hajj Amin Husseini, was deeply involved, his heirs to the Palestinian leadership still

besacenter.org

Unlike Custer, Al Husseini escaped being arrested for all the Jews he incited against, be it in Mandated Palestine, or Mandated Iraq.


The other biggest losers in Al Husseini's extremist behavior were the Arabs and others who lived on the land, or who had immigrated there since the late 1900s.

The Arab leaders promised a Jew Free Palestine for those in the southern part, and scared them with the idea that the Jews would have done to them exactly what the Muslims had done to the Jews in Hebron in 1929.


That is what happened in 1947-48.

The Arab leaders are also responsible for wanting more land, after taking Judea and Samaria and Gaza in 1948. Which is what led to the Jordanians again, and others to attack Israel.

The non Jewish population in the north of Israel, like Haifa, was asked to stay, and they stayed, and continue to live there to this day.

I do not know what Arabs you are talking about who were made to leave their homes in 1956, 1967 or 1973, unless they fled out of fear, which will happen whenever any war is declared.


Israel did not kick out any population out of Judea and Samaria once it won it in the 1967 war which was started by the Arab countries. The Arab, and others, population continues to live there.
The Jews are the ones who were kicked out of those areas in 1948, as others had been in 1920 in Gaza, 1929 in Hebron, and 1925 from TranJordan.

I do not hear you being upset about Jews being ethnically cleansed from their ancient homeland. Others who view the Jews as being "Europeans" show the same lack of empathy for the Jews, which they choose to show for the ones who do not want the Jews to be a free people, on their own ancient homeland.

So, history is ignored or rewritten and numbers used to show "proof" that the Jews did not have the right to the land.


That is the premise of The Right to Destroy Jewish History.

Because it is meant to destroy the Jewish people for good.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The PA TV video shows a woman who apparently represents "ancient Palestinians" (or possibly Muslims) going through the history of the land - replacing the Jewish people's actual history. The woman is introduced in a peaceful scene feeding birds in a period predating the Roman conquest of Judea and destruction of the Temple in 70 CE. Suddenly the scene is disturbed, the birds scatter and the woman runs away from various foreign invaders: first an ancient Roman soldier, then a Crusader, then a British soldier, and finally a Jew (wearing a skullcap), who throws a lit cigarette at her. In the final scene, the woman stops fleeing when a man on a horse - the "new" Muslim conqueror Saladin who defeated the Crusaders - extends his hand and helps her up the mountain. He represents the coming savior who will "liberate Palestine" from Jewish-Israeli rule. In the end, the woman stands on the top of the mountain, fleeing no one anymore, symbolizing that Israel is gone like the other foreign rulers. As mentioned, the woman seems to represent a fictitious ancient Palestinian people and the other figures symbolize different foreign rulers in the land of Israel. Jews/Israelis are portrayed as the current foreigners, who will be defeated like the Romans, the Crusaders and the British.

Note: The video originally aired March 2, 2012. It was rebroadcast on both PA TV and PA TV Live at least 18 times in 2012, 54 times in 2013, 44 times in 2014, 42 times in 2015, 24 times in 2016, 22 times in 2017, 9 times in 2018, and 4 times in 2019, most recently on Nov. 24, 2019. It was broadcast on Fatah-run Awdah TV twice on Jan. 8, 2016, and 6 times in 2017, most recently PA TV Live June 15, 2020

PA TV portrays Israel as foreign colonial occupier, claims ancient Jewish history is Palestinian | PMW Translations

The PA TV video shows a woman who represents "ancient Palestinians" going through the history of the land - replacing the Jewish people's actual history.

palwatch.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

Recently, Palestinian Authority TV News exemplified the PA policy of denying the existence of any Jewish history in Jerusalem. In a report about Israel's excavations on the Temple Mount exposing part of the Western Wall, the government-controlled PA TV stated:
"There's [an Israeli] race against the clock to complete the excavations in search of [Jerusalem's] Temple that exists only in the minds of radical organizations."

Click to view

Palestinian Media Watch has documented the PA's continued denial of Jewish history and particularly its denial of the existence of the Temple, referring to it as the "alleged Temple." To prove their claim to the land, the PA actively rejects all Jewish history in the land of Israel, inventing an ancient Palestinian history in its stead. The PA accuses Israel of stealing Palestinian heritage, claiming that it does not have any history on its own.

PMW has also documented how Israel's excavations of the Western Wall near the Al-Aqsa Mosque are presented by the PA as part of an Israeli plan to destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Following is the excerpt from PA TV News denying Jewish history in Jerusalem:

PA TV newsreader: "Deep underground beneath the Al-Aqsa Mosque, there's [an Israeli] race against the clock to complete the excavations in search of [Jerusalem's] Temple that exists only in the minds of radical organizations. These images reveal the extent of the excavations. ... Here, you can see an underground city excavated by Jewish radical organizations. They falsify historical facts by linking them to Jewish history, the traces of which don't exist in our land."
[PA TV (Fatah), Oct. 25, 2012]

PA TV News: No trace of Jewish history in "our land" | PMW Analysis

PA TV continues to deny Jewish history in Jerusalem and accuses Israel of "falsify[ing] historical facts by linking them to Jewish history." (Nov. 12, 2012)

palwatch.org

 

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On Saturday, HS Insider gave a platform to an article titled, “The story behind #istandwithpalestine,” written by a Fountain Valley High School student. Virtually every paragraph of the 980-word piece misrepresents the facts and contains historical falsehoods, raising questions about the LA Times‘ commitment to educating future journalists.

For example, the article begins by placing blame on the Jewish state for the War of Independence. “The conflict began in 1948 when Israel went to war with neighboring Arab countries of Jordan, Syria and Egypt,” it claims.

In reality, the Arab armies initiated an all-out attack on the Jewish state on June 15, 1948, barely a day after Israel declared independence. Six months earlier, the Arabs had rejected the UN Partition Plan, which endorsed the creation of Jewish and Arab states side by side. The Yishuv — the Jewish community in what was then-British-controlled Mandatory Palestine — accepted the proposal whereas Arab nations rejected it.

Similarly, the article in question rewrites the history of Hamas’ evolution: “Hamas, which translates to Islamic Resistance Movement, has been identified as an Islamist, militant and nationalist group that has been launching attacks against Israel from residential areas since the 1980s in hopes of restoring the power Palestine once had.”

Describing Hamas’ aim as simply interested in “restoring the power Palestine once had” is misleading on two counts. First, the US-designated terrorist organization’s genocidal charter (1988) calls for the destruction of Israel and the murder of Jews worldwide. Second, there has never been any sovereign state named “Palestine.”

The piece also falsely blames the Second Intifada — the Palestinian terror wave that rocked Israel between 2000 and 2005 — on then-Likud leader and future prime minister Ariel Sharon. The author maintains that his visit to “Islam’s third holiest site, Temple Mount at Jerusalem [sic]” sparked the Intifada, eventually “causing the Palestinians to take Hamas as their leader.”

(full article online)

Los Angeles Times Program Allows Future 'Storytellers' to Get the Story on Israel Wrong | Honest Reporting

Essays like "The story behind #istandwithpalestine," in addition to others, clearly do not meet the ethics guidelines of the outlet.

honestreporting.com

 

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But revisionist history now happens during the news cycle itself.

Here is a summary of the May Gaza war as described by anIranian news site:

The Israeli regime launched a brutal bombing campaign against the besieged Gaza Strip on May 10, following Palestinian retaliation against violent raids on worshipers at al-Aqsa Mosque and the regime’s plans to force a number of Palestinian families out of their homes at the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of East Jerusalem al-Quds.

According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, 260 Palestinians were killed in the Israeli offensive, including 66 children and 40 women. At least 1,948 others were also wounded.

In response, Palestinian resistance movements, chief among them Hamas, launched Operation al-Quds Sword and fired more than 4,000 rockets and missiles into the occupied territories, killing 12 Israelis.

Apparently caught off guard by the unprecedented barrage of rockets from Gaza, Israel announced a unilateral ceasefire on May 21, which Palestinian resistance movements accepted with Egyptian mediation.

It even contradicts itself - did Hamas fire rockets to protect Jerusalem, or in response to Israel bombing Gaza? Neither of those are true yet both are side by side here.

This is revisionist history being created in real time.

(full article online)

Revisionist history now being created in real time

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