The Real Reasons Most Israelis Support Two States

[Shusha]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

If you have a one state solution you will be out numbered and driven out in a generation. All the other stuff is moot.

 

[usmbguest5318]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

Thoughts?

Some of those reasons strike me as utterly absurd...Absurd as reasons and absurd that individuals may indeed cite them as reasons they prefer the two-state approach. Which ones? These:

2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).

"The world" has been "on Jews' backs" for as long as there have been Jews. I seriously doubt that the two-state solution is going to stop that.

Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)

AFAIK, the people who advocate for Israel's destruction do so because they want to see no Jews in the world, not because Israel is a state. Accordingly, the best thing about Israel existing is that it gives Jew-hating terrorists some place other than the rest of the world's major cities and suburbs to explode their bombs. I doubt that many world leaders, historians, political scientists and diplomats would admit as much, but I'm fairly certain they are very well aware of it.

4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).

One-state, two-state, no solution or accommodation of any sort...It matters not; Jews in Israel already have self-determination. For that matter, so do Jews in other democratic nations.​

 

[Bleipriester]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

Maybe they just want to get rid of the conflict imposed on them by their leaders. But Gaza is nothing compared to what they planned in Syria.

 

[USAF 2023]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

There are problems that the Palestinians themselves have created;
Israel offered them MOST of everything they wanted which they rejected. They don’t want the “ Two State Solution” Their goal is to eventually annex Israel to “ Palestine” by their becoming the majority. That will never happen

 

[longknife]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

 

[Roudy]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

 

[Billo_Really]

To reduce the cost of Milky.

 

[Bleipriester]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

 

[Roudy]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

 

[theliq]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

There are problems that the Palestinians themselves have created;
Israel offered them MOST of everything they wanted which they rejected. They don’t want the “ Two State Solution” Their goal is to eventually annex Israel to “ Palestine” by their becoming the majority. That will never happen

No I correct you,All the Palestinian problems were created by Synthetic NON JEWS,only Converts to Judaism.....Real Jews and Palestinians get on well,because they are cousins,both decendents from Abraham making only these two peoples Semitic Peoples......SOMETHING CONVERTS CAN NEVER BE as these ZIONIST CULT MEMBERS ARE riff raff mainly from central Asia...Fact,they have NO REASON TO BE IN PALESTINE

 

[theliq]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

Israel and the US Ble.,how ignorant these Convert Cult Zionist Rabble ARE....keep up your factual and honest prose,in the morass of Zionist BULLSHIT

 

[theliq]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

Zionists weren't too smart but as I keep telling you Rouds...You reap what you sow...so stop Whinging...steve

 

[Bleipriester]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

Some Hamas rockets landing in the open are a cheap pretext for the refusal to reach a final settlement. And as long as such is not reached, the buildout on Palestinian territory can continue. So don´t expect any serious measures against Hamas.

 

[rylah]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

Some Hamas rockets landing in the open are a cheap pretext for the refusal to reach a final settlement. And as long as such is not reached, the buildout on Palestinian territory can continue. So don´t expect any serious measures against Hamas.

"some rockets"...

 

[Bleipriester]

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

Some Hamas rockets landing in the open are a cheap pretext for the refusal to reach a final settlement. And as long as such is not reached, the buildout on Palestinian territory can continue. So don´t expect any serious measures against Hamas.

"some rockets"...

You don´t really claim that the homemade Qassam and WWII Katyusha rockets are supplied by Iran?

 

[rylah]

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

Some Hamas rockets landing in the open are a cheap pretext for the refusal to reach a final settlement. And as long as such is not reached, the buildout on Palestinian territory can continue. So don´t expect any serious measures against Hamas.

"some rockets"...

You don´t really claim that the homemade Qassam and WWII Katyusha rockets are supplied by Iran?

Do they have to kiss on camera so that You get the point?

 

[admonit]

This is an excellent article on israellycool. I think this is accurate.

The reasons (paraphrased):

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.
2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).
3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)
4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).
5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.
6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.
7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).


Thoughts?

"Israel Should Annex The West Bank and The Gaza Strip"

So says Moshe Feiglin is chairman of Israel’s Zehut Party and a former Likud Knesset Member.

Probably would be a whole lot better than the phony Two-State Plan that will go nowhere.

As for the Palestinians, Feiglin’s plan would grant them three options:

Palestinians can remain as permanent residents of Israel “and not be afraid” of PA reprisal. The Palestinians would need to declare that they are loyal to the Jewish state before becoming permanent residents. They will be fully protected by the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli police.

Offer Palestinians wishing to leave a generous emigration package that would include the purchase of their homes, money to start a new life, and assistance with expediting the immigration process to new countries.

Palestinians willing to serve in the Israeli military, pass Hebrew language and Israeli history proficiency tests and pledge their loyalty would eventually be granted full Israeli citizenship.

It appears they would be a whole lot better as a part of Israel than they are now.

More of this @ Moshe Feiglin: Time for Israel to Annex West Bank, Gaza Strip

The Israelis will eventually annex most of the West Bank and let the Jordanians handle the rest, while Egypt and Israel can invade Gaza, then Egypt will reoccupy Gaza, overthrow Hamas, and impose an Egyptian run govt. (with Israel giving financial concessions to Egypt for it)

Case closed.

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

so stop Whinging...steve

Indeed, stop whining, steve.

 

[Bleipriester]

Haha, funny. Israel created Hamas to get Egypt out.

That is three decades old news. Israel preferred Hamas over Arafat, now, Hamas is behaving far worse than Arafat and his goons did.

Some Hamas rockets landing in the open are a cheap pretext for the refusal to reach a final settlement. And as long as such is not reached, the buildout on Palestinian territory can continue. So don´t expect any serious measures against Hamas.

"some rockets"...

You don´t really claim that the homemade Qassam and WWII Katyusha rockets are supplied by Iran?

Do they have to kiss on camera so that You get the point?

Apparently.

 

[admonit]

1. Security. There is no safety in incorporating hostile populations into a single State.

Year, it is much more secure to let the hostile populations to attack Israel from a sovereign state.

2. Exposing the Arab narrative. An Arab Palestinian State should get the world off Israel's back. If they continue to try to disrupt or eliminate the State of Israel, their intent will be revealed for what it is. (Which should have been obvious with Gaza, but the world seems to have missed the message).

And after possible Israel's destruction as a result of such "exposure", the world eventually acknowledge: "yeah, Israel was right". Really good idea.

3. Resistance against annihilation. Two states, theoretically at least, will remove any legitimate reason for destruction of Israel (not that the destruction of a sovereign nation is in any way legitimate -- again the world seems to have missed the message.)

May be it's a time to answer the question: why the world constantly misses the messages?

4. Right to self-determination. The entire point of the State of Israel was to ensure Jewish self-preservation and self-government. A one state solution denies this. (It also denies self-determination for the Arab Palestinians).

The right to self-determination of the Jewish people was already implemented. Self-determination for the Arab Palestinians? They already have it. The concept of self-determination doesn't necessarily mean full independence.

5. Prevention of collective punishment. A one state solution may have elements of collective punishment due to the incorporation of a hostile population -- either a demand for loyalty, a removal of anyone even remotely related to terrorism or the establishment of permanent residency for some people based on their culture.

Of course punishing individual criminals inside an independent state will be much easier...

6. Saving the lives of soldiers. Most terror attacks occur where soldiers are protecting Jewish people in disputed areas. A two state solution should end this.

The best way to save the lives of soldiers is to dissolve the army.

7. We need a divorce. Arab and Jewish cultures are fundamentally incompatible (at least at this point in time).

Divorce? They never married.