The real Jesus

[HaShev]

But absolutely nowhere in Daniel does it mention Jesus. They change wording like tabloid news does in changing tenses to create new narratives.
Example Dan says "AN" ANOINTED ONE (LIKE KINGS ARE) NOT "THE" ANOINTED ONE.
They also change meaning of words to place him there & by confusing dates which become more problematic to the fact they have at least 3 christs combined in their character ranging from
100bc to 45 ad thus making the years calculations in Daniel comically inaccurate to those christ figures. Daniel doesn't discuss the fallen false & imposter messiah, Ezekiel 28 does.
John of Patmos accounts the anti christ(anointed) as existing in his era, describing Romes hills and treasure and colors rich people wore and having the blood on their hands killing the revolutionaries (martyrs). Rome was anti the Temple priests thus anti anointed (antichrist).
Daniels Moshiach is blatantly clear as he names the first name openly, given nickname that only makes sense to those who know the legend of the City of Shalem becoming Shalom, and even gives the last name of Moshiach in the same verses but they become hidden by English translation of the Hebrew name. None of these match Jesus nor any of the many christs used to create his accounts. Daniel speaks of the first fallen failed messiah Jesus 0 times.

What are you babbling about? Why would Daniel mention Jesus when he wasn't even born and wouldn't be for hundreds of years? This is why one has to put it together with the other OT chapters to come up with the Messiah and thus the reward..

I am arguing against their place in tactics which Ironically is admitted to in Luke asking to place him into old texts to make him out to be the one.
ONCE AGAIN Daniel literally names Moshiach first last and secreted name, only the person whose name it is would know this.

Yes, Daniel does prophecize the Messiah, but you got the dates wrong.

Decree to rebuild Jerusalem - 457 BC
1 day = 1 year. 7 weeks = 49 days. Thus, it takes 49 years.
Jerusalem rebuilt - 408 BC
Next we have 62 weeks = 434 days. It means 434 years.
49 years + 434 years = 483 years.
Thus, 'Anointed' Ruler arrived in 27 AD.
What big Biblical event happened in 27 AD?
From 27 AD, we have 1 week = 7 days. It means 7 years
3.5 days or 3.5 years from 27 AD brings us to the middle of 30 AD. What big Biblical event happened in 30 AD?
From 30 AD, the abomination of desolation begins.
If the Bible reader can answer my questions, then they would know who the Messiah is and how Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled. Each of dates I listed fulfills a prophecy like Jerusalem being rebuilt. However, many people during that time got it wrong. Is that what you're getting at?

No you need a Rabbi to explain Daniel not a Roman created rewrite offspring(influenced).
You don't learn to fly a plane through a boating instructor, so why would learn about Torah and Judaic precepts through the evil Roman political system hiding behind the mask of religious authority that created the 1 world combined religion called Christianity?
FACT: like I previously noted "YOUR DATING IS OFF" THEY never matchbthe historical figures used to create the image called Jesus.
The son of Mary figure in 100bc is a far cry from that A.D. date, and the Galilean tax revolter christ died in 6bc, missed again. The only AD era christ with martyrs matching and used in The Jesus story was Theudas by the Jordan, but he is only a fraction of the Jesus accounts.

Furthermore pnce again Christianity changes
" An anointed king" to be perceived a new narrative of "The anointed one". The date they create to fit Jesus is also off as is the context of History:
Placement of Jesus in Dan 9 is the earliest form of fake news=fake narative.

Let me explain Dan 9 so you see it revealed.
The events Daniel is prophecizing already occured before Jesus and the events of the temple you propose occured after Jesus making the correlation impossible even if you avoided history and thought it didn’t occur yet.
Daniel is talking about "an anointed place" and an anointed (King)
not THE ANOINTED ONE.
*notice word play deceptions to paint false placement*
Now to review why these events already occured:
Dan 9: There is a 7-week (49-year) span between the actual destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about by the arrival of ‘AN’ anointed one not “THE” anointed one . Kings and High Priests were anointed as AN anointed one but not THE anointed one. Thus we must notice the wording is “an anointed one” not “THE” anointed one.

Dan 9:24 says anoint the holy place not an anointed man. Daniel 9:25 says, "from the time the decree to "restore"(i.H. HaShev) and(to?) rebuild Jerusalem was issued, until AN annointed one, a ruler, it will be seven weeks". If the decree is indeed sometime around the beginning of the full Exile, 586 b.c.e., then who is the anointed one mentioned? And, GOD already has referred to ruler Cyrus as his Anointed in
Isaiah 45:1: 70 years after the destruction Cyrus rebuilt the Temple in other words it's completion in 516BC
Here's the reference of this ‘70 years’ by the Historian Josephus in Antiquities 11.1.1: Ant. 11.1.1 "In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they has served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that SERVITUDE seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them."


Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks,an anointed one will be cut off,
and there will be nothing to him.
and the people of a ruler who shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary,
and the end of it/him shall be with a flood,,
and, until the end of the war, desolations are decreed.

62 weeks (434 years) leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of antiochus desolation and destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut off. High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In 168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.), ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem. Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come",

Furthermore if you ever read the commentary on Daniel and Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls the liberator &
HaSheva (redeemer) is already named as Michael (the Evening Star- rises
-Dan 12:1-4) thus Daniels Visions of the Night (Evening Star Shalem) is of son of man (Shalem)-Dan7:7, 7:13.
This is why the legend says of the city of Shalem becoming City of Shalom is when the Night (Michael) removes the day(morning star Lucifer-Rev 22:16). Islam similarly calls this the Al-Isra (Night Journey to Jerusalem) to the city in his name.
This is why the Temple is called the Mikdash not Jesusdash, the Bible called Mikra not Jesusra, the Torah portions revealing the name= it's called Miketz not JesusKetz.
Hebrew for "at the end,"
Ketz= A particularly auspicious time for Moshiach to bring the exile to an end.= Mike is the name of the Moshiach,
not Jim, not Joe, and Not Jesus.
Dan 12:1-4 makes it clear the name has to be the name otherwise it's "FAKE NEWS".
Which is why CNN keeps having fake history specials on Jesus that are anything but historically accurate.

RE: 'An' and 'The' Anointed One Were there false anointed ones in the past? I thought they refereed to false one(s) coming as the Antichrist. I do not have time to go over your dates and calculations, but mine led me to those years. It was very rewarding to see how the messiah was revealed and the abomination of desolation came about. Do you agree that 1 day means 1 year in corresponding the 62 + 7 weeks + 1 week = 70 weeks? Instead of criticizing those who are rewarded, perhaps you should get someone to help you with your book ha ha.

Once again, your date matches no historical christ except the sexual deviate druggy Theudas by the Jordan.
That portion of Daniel is not even a messianic prophecy, it was about an anointed place and anointed king, Daniel already secrets Michael as the Hasheva (redeemer) and now you are claiming Michael Who best knows these truths -Dan 10:21 should get help deciphering the scripture. Therefore you are rejecting Daniels words which in turn rejects your premise commentary source. You just
Checkmated yourself by boxing your argument and king in the corner.

 

[irosie91]

You're a little needier than I thought. Let me help. There is morning, noon and night. During morning and noon there is light. Night is dark.
When Christ was hanging on the cross, from 9am. <(morning) until noon <(noon) there was daylight, as there should have been. But from noon <(noon) until 3pm < (3 hours later than noon) the land went dark and should not have. Since an eclipse was out of the question, what caused that darkness?

Tallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died."

The importance of Tallus' comments is that the reference shows that the Gospel account of the darkness that fell across the earth during Christ's crucifixion was well known and required a naturalistic explanation from non-Christians.

across the EARTH? even in Brooklyn? how do you know? try again----there is no credible history of "DARKNESS" during the time to which you allude-----only DESPERATE GROPING IN MURKY WATERS

A great darkness settling over the land, is comparable to the darkness and despair that people felt when people like Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and RFK were assassinated.

Believe that... You experienced it.

oh---it was no really a cosmic event------the writing just
includes a literary device? Ok---I am willing to go for that

 

[Mindful]

You're a little needier than I thought. Let me help. There is morning, noon and night. During morning and noon there is light. Night is dark.
When Christ was hanging on the cross, from 9am. <(morning) until noon <(noon) there was daylight, as there should have been. But from noon <(noon) until 3pm < (3 hours later than noon) the land went dark and should not have. Since an eclipse was out of the question, what caused that darkness?

Tallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died."

The importance of Tallus' comments is that the reference shows that the Gospel account of the darkness that fell across the earth during Christ's crucifixion was well known and required a naturalistic explanation from non-Christians.

across the EARTH? even in Brooklyn? how do you know? try again----there is no credible history of "DARKNESS" during the time to which you allude-----only DESPERATE GROPING IN MURKY WATERS

A great darkness settling over the land, is comparable to the darkness and despair that people felt when people like Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and RFK were assassinated.

Believe that... You experienced it.

Was Gandhi an anti Semite? Martin Luther was.

 

[Mindful]

Rosie: have you read the Josephus account of Jesus?

 

[irosie91]

Rosie: have you read the Josephus account of Jesus?

yes

 

[irosie91]

You're a little needier than I thought. Let me help. There is morning, noon and night. During morning and noon there is light. Night is dark.
When Christ was hanging on the cross, from 9am. <(morning) until noon <(noon) there was daylight, as there should have been. But from noon <(noon) until 3pm < (3 hours later than noon) the land went dark and should not have. Since an eclipse was out of the question, what caused that darkness?

Tallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died."

The importance of Tallus' comments is that the reference shows that the Gospel account of the darkness that fell across the earth during Christ's crucifixion was well known and required a naturalistic explanation from non-Christians.

across the EARTH? even in Brooklyn? how do you know? try again----there is no credible history of "DARKNESS" during the time to which you allude-----only DESPERATE GROPING IN MURKY WATERS

A great darkness settling over the land, is comparable to the darkness and despair that people felt when people like Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and RFK were assassinated.

Believe that... You experienced it.

Was Gandhi an anti Semite? Martin Luther was.

Gandhi knew nothing about jews or Judaism or the history
of jews--------he so states in his autobiography. His motivation in life was the preservation of the country INDIA ---
WHOLE and not divided. He says so in his autobiography

 

[Mindful]

You're a little needier than I thought. Let me help. There is morning, noon and night. During morning and noon there is light. Night is dark.
When Christ was hanging on the cross, from 9am. <(morning) until noon <(noon) there was daylight, as there should have been. But from noon <(noon) until 3pm < (3 hours later than noon) the land went dark and should not have. Since an eclipse was out of the question, what caused that darkness?

Tallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died."

The importance of Tallus' comments is that the reference shows that the Gospel account of the darkness that fell across the earth during Christ's crucifixion was well known and required a naturalistic explanation from non-Christians.

across the EARTH? even in Brooklyn? how do you know? try again----there is no credible history of "DARKNESS" during the time to which you allude-----only DESPERATE GROPING IN MURKY WATERS

A great darkness settling over the land, is comparable to the darkness and despair that people felt when people like Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and RFK were assassinated.

Believe that... You experienced it.

Was Gandhi an anti Semite? Martin Luther was.

Gandhi knew nothing about jews or Judaism or the history
of jews--------he so states in his autobiography. His motivation in life was the preservation of the country INDIA ---
WHOLE and not divided. He says so in his autobiography

He had a prior life in South Africa.

And most anti Semites know nothing about Jews or Judaism. As evidenced by their blabberings.

 

[kjw47]

All eyes did see him return in 1914--this occurred Rev 6-- The blind guides on earth made 99% miss it. Yet they did see it occur, it just doesn't register because blind guides tell them something different.

Do you even have an inkling how stupid that sounds?

"All eyes did see him but 99% of the people missed it..."

Do yourself a favor. Find another hobby..

You suck at acting.

I don't act. All will know that they saw these events occur( Revelation 6)1914 but had 0 clue. Rev 13 has gone on for years now. The world is falling apart quickly.

OK. So you don't have an inkling how stupid that sounds.

If Jesus returned in 1914 and all eyes saw him, the antichrist would not still be being worshipped, the world would be at peace, not falling apart, Christians would have risen from the dead, the Jews would have acknowledged that Jesus was right, Trump would not be president, and the papacy, the 'celebration' of the torture and death of Jesus, not to mention the idolatrous worship of the eucharist, would have been abolished by the majesty of his arrival.


If all of those things haven't happened, and they haven't, the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

Rev 6 = 1914-- The war in heaven, Michael rides the white horse and battles satan and his angels, defeats them and casts them out of heaven forever to the earth. ww1--Peace was taken from the earth. Millions slaughtered. After ww1 millions upon millions died from the filth of the slaughters, starvation, diseases, etc( other 3 riders)- all still ride. The white horse still rides-perse- He receives his crown--Jesus gets the crown, yet Michael is getting it= Michael is the one who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal.( Daniel 12:1) He speaks at proverbs 8.
When satan came down the bible says--he comes as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short.
All have watched rev 13 occurring for years as well, but they cannot see it This is why--2Corinthians 4:4-- The image of the beast has been made to look good to the mortal heart( 2Cor 11:12-15)

Without an accurate understanding of the symbolisms and to what they are referring, all you have is incoherence.


You like the book of revelation?

Until Christ comes again and breaks the seals that have prevented everyone from seeing what was written inside the holy scroll no one else in heaven or on the earth or under the earth can reveal, much less comprehend, what was hidden inside.

Not you, not your so called teachers, not angels, not demons, not anyone. (Revelation 5:1-3)


"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places, that you may know that I am the Lord,"

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him. And kings curl their lips in disgust. For they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

It has already been revealed, through Jesus' real teachers.

 

[hobelim]

Do you even have an inkling how stupid that sounds?

"All eyes did see him but 99% of the people missed it..."

Do yourself a favor. Find another hobby..

You suck at acting.

I don't act. All will know that they saw these events occur( Revelation 6)1914 but had 0 clue. Rev 13 has gone on for years now. The world is falling apart quickly.

OK. So you don't have an inkling how stupid that sounds.

If Jesus returned in 1914 and all eyes saw him, the antichrist would not still be being worshipped, the world would be at peace, not falling apart, Christians would have risen from the dead, the Jews would have acknowledged that Jesus was right, Trump would not be president, and the papacy, the 'celebration' of the torture and death of Jesus, not to mention the idolatrous worship of the eucharist, would have been abolished by the majesty of his arrival.


If all of those things haven't happened, and they haven't, the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

Rev 6 = 1914-- The war in heaven, Michael rides the white horse and battles satan and his angels, defeats them and casts them out of heaven forever to the earth. ww1--Peace was taken from the earth. Millions slaughtered. After ww1 millions upon millions died from the filth of the slaughters, starvation, diseases, etc( other 3 riders)- all still ride. The white horse still rides-perse- He receives his crown--Jesus gets the crown, yet Michael is getting it= Michael is the one who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal.( Daniel 12:1) He speaks at proverbs 8.
When satan came down the bible says--he comes as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short.
All have watched rev 13 occurring for years as well, but they cannot see it This is why--2Corinthians 4:4-- The image of the beast has been made to look good to the mortal heart( 2Cor 11:12-15)

Without an accurate understanding of the symbolisms and to what they are referring, all you have is incoherence.


You like the book of revelation?

Until Christ comes again and breaks the seals that have prevented everyone from seeing what was written inside the holy scroll no one else in heaven or on the earth or under the earth can reveal, much less comprehend, what was hidden inside.

Not you, not your so called teachers, not angels, not demons, not anyone. (Revelation 5:1-3)


"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places, that you may know that I am the Lord,"

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him. And kings curl their lips in disgust. For they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

It has already been revealed, through Jesus' real teachers.

Really? Its already been revealed by Jesus' real teachers? Before Jesus even arrived and revealed it? lol.....


Then what are the seven seals placed on scripture that keep people from looking at whats written inside?

Whats been kept from comprehension from everyone, in heaven , on the earth, and under the earth for the past 2000 years?

 

[harmonica]

is there a fake jesus?

 

[kjw47]

I don't act. All will know that they saw these events occur( Revelation 6)1914 but had 0 clue. Rev 13 has gone on for years now. The world is falling apart quickly.

OK. So you don't have an inkling how stupid that sounds.

If Jesus returned in 1914 and all eyes saw him, the antichrist would not still be being worshipped, the world would be at peace, not falling apart, Christians would have risen from the dead, the Jews would have acknowledged that Jesus was right, Trump would not be president, and the papacy, the 'celebration' of the torture and death of Jesus, not to mention the idolatrous worship of the eucharist, would have been abolished by the majesty of his arrival.


If all of those things haven't happened, and they haven't, the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

Rev 6 = 1914-- The war in heaven, Michael rides the white horse and battles satan and his angels, defeats them and casts them out of heaven forever to the earth. ww1--Peace was taken from the earth. Millions slaughtered. After ww1 millions upon millions died from the filth of the slaughters, starvation, diseases, etc( other 3 riders)- all still ride. The white horse still rides-perse- He receives his crown--Jesus gets the crown, yet Michael is getting it= Michael is the one who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal.( Daniel 12:1) He speaks at proverbs 8.
When satan came down the bible says--he comes as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short.
All have watched rev 13 occurring for years as well, but they cannot see it This is why--2Corinthians 4:4-- The image of the beast has been made to look good to the mortal heart( 2Cor 11:12-15)

Without an accurate understanding of the symbolisms and to what they are referring, all you have is incoherence.


You like the book of revelation?

Until Christ comes again and breaks the seals that have prevented everyone from seeing what was written inside the holy scroll no one else in heaven or on the earth or under the earth can reveal, much less comprehend, what was hidden inside.

Not you, not your so called teachers, not angels, not demons, not anyone. (Revelation 5:1-3)


"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places, that you may know that I am the Lord,"

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him. And kings curl their lips in disgust. For they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

It has already been revealed, through Jesus' real teachers.

Really? Its already been revealed by Jesus' real teachers? Before Jesus even arrived and revealed it? lol.....


Then what are the seven seals placed on scripture that keep people from seeing whats written inside?

Whats been kept from comprehension from everyone, in heaven , on the earth, and under the earth for the past 2000 years?

Jesus received his crown at Revelation 6-the presence. He appointed his teachers on earth here in these last days( Matthew 24:45) through them, this became a reality( Daniel 12:4)-- rejected by those clinging to old darkness.

 

[hobelim]

is there a fake jesus?

Yes, the sugarcoated edible triune mangod that diddled a virgin to become fully human without a human father...

This is the man of sin, an imaginary Jesus that does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence.

The antichrist.

 

[kjw47]

is there a fake jesus?

Yes there is--- The real Jesus= John 20:17, Revelation 3:12--Jesus has a God- his Father. It takes believing Jesus, Few will.

 

[hobelim]

OK. So you don't have an inkling how stupid that sounds.

If Jesus returned in 1914 and all eyes saw him, the antichrist would not still be being worshipped, the world would be at peace, not falling apart, Christians would have risen from the dead, the Jews would have acknowledged that Jesus was right, Trump would not be president, and the papacy, the 'celebration' of the torture and death of Jesus, not to mention the idolatrous worship of the eucharist, would have been abolished by the majesty of his arrival.


If all of those things haven't happened, and they haven't, the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

Rev 6 = 1914-- The war in heaven, Michael rides the white horse and battles satan and his angels, defeats them and casts them out of heaven forever to the earth. ww1--Peace was taken from the earth. Millions slaughtered. After ww1 millions upon millions died from the filth of the slaughters, starvation, diseases, etc( other 3 riders)- all still ride. The white horse still rides-perse- He receives his crown--Jesus gets the crown, yet Michael is getting it= Michael is the one who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal.( Daniel 12:1) He speaks at proverbs 8.
When satan came down the bible says--he comes as a devouring lion, angry, knowing his time is short.
All have watched rev 13 occurring for years as well, but they cannot see it This is why--2Corinthians 4:4-- The image of the beast has been made to look good to the mortal heart( 2Cor 11:12-15)

Without an accurate understanding of the symbolisms and to what they are referring, all you have is incoherence.


You like the book of revelation?

Until Christ comes again and breaks the seals that have prevented everyone from seeing what was written inside the holy scroll no one else in heaven or on the earth or under the earth can reveal, much less comprehend, what was hidden inside.

Not you, not your so called teachers, not angels, not demons, not anyone. (Revelation 5:1-3)


"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places, that you may know that I am the Lord,"

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him. And kings curl their lips in disgust. For they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

It has already been revealed, through Jesus' real teachers.

Really? Its already been revealed by Jesus' real teachers? Before Jesus even arrived and revealed it? lol.....


Then what are the seven seals placed on scripture that keep people from seeing whats written inside?

Whats been kept from comprehension from everyone, in heaven , on the earth, and under the earth for the past 2000 years?

Jesus received his crown at Revelation 6-the presence. He appointed his teachers on earth here in these last days( Matthew 24:45) through them, this became a reality( Daniel 12:4)-- rejected by those clinging to old darkness.

I didn't ask you about any crown..Pay attention.



What are the seven seals placed on scripture that keep people from seeing whats written inside?

Whats been kept from comprehension from everyone, in heaven , on the earth, and under the earth for the past 2000 years?

 

[harmonica]

is there a fake jesus?

Yes there is--- The real Jesus= John 20:17, Revelation 3:12--Jesus has a God- his Father. It takes believing Jesus, Few will.

believe what?? '''god'' was human??
it's just a belief

 

[hobelim]

is there a fake jesus?

Yes there is--- The real Jesus= John 20:17, Revelation 3:12--Jesus has a God- his Father. It takes believing Jesus, Few will.

believe what?? '''god'' was human??
it's just a belief

Just a belief? HA. Belief is very powerful.

If you "just believed" that a three in one God diddled a virgin to become fully human without a human father who pissed everyone off, partied like it was 1975, said things that no one understood, hosted a magical fish sandwich party in the middle of the desert, submitted to torture and crucifixion because he loved the romans so much only to rise from the dead and float up into the sky where he waits to return ANY MINUTE and throw unbelievers into hell and take all believers up into the sky where they will rule the earth forever as if they could take the place of God, you too could completely lose your mind, act like an idiot, say and do things that injure yourself and the people that you love while gibbering incoherently for the rest of your life, pretending to be saved.



Your choice!

 

[hobelim]

You're a little needier than I thought. Let me help. There is morning, noon and night. During morning and noon there is light. Night is dark.
When Christ was hanging on the cross, from 9am. <(morning) until noon <(noon) there was daylight, as there should have been. But from noon <(noon) until 3pm < (3 hours later than noon) the land went dark and should not have. Since an eclipse was out of the question, what caused that darkness?

Tallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun unreasonably, as it seems to me (unreasonably of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that Christ died."

The importance of Tallus' comments is that the reference shows that the Gospel account of the darkness that fell across the earth during Christ's crucifixion was well known and required a naturalistic explanation from non-Christians.

across the EARTH? even in Brooklyn? how do you know? try again----there is no credible history of "DARKNESS" during the time to which you allude-----only DESPERATE GROPING IN MURKY WATERS

A great darkness settling over the land, is comparable to the darkness and despair that people felt when people like Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., JFK and RFK were assassinated.

Believe that... You experienced it.

oh---it was no really a cosmic event------the writing just
includes a literary device? Ok---I am willing to go for that

yes. It was not some mysterious cosmic event. It was a literary device.

Its strange to me that some people can't accept that..

so strange....

 

[Picaro]

But absolutely nowhere in Daniel does it mention Jesus. They change wording like tabloid news does in changing tenses to create new narratives.
Example Dan says "AN" ANOINTED ONE (LIKE KINGS ARE) NOT "THE" ANOINTED ONE.
They also change meaning of words to place him there & by confusing dates which become more problematic to the fact they have at least 3 christs combined in their character ranging from
100bc to 45 ad thus making the years calculations in Daniel comically inaccurate to those christ figures. Daniel doesn't discuss the fallen false & imposter messiah, Ezekiel 28 does.
John of Patmos accounts the anti christ(anointed) as existing in his era, describing Romes hills and treasure and colors rich people wore and having the blood on their hands killing the revolutionaries (martyrs). Rome was anti the Temple priests thus anti anointed (antichrist).
Daniels Moshiach is blatantly clear as he names the first name openly, given nickname that only makes sense to those who know the legend of the City of Shalem becoming Shalom, and even gives the last name of Moshiach in the same verses but they become hidden by English translation of the Hebrew name. None of these match Jesus nor any of the many christs used to create his accounts. Daniel speaks of the first fallen failed messiah Jesus 0 times.

What are you babbling about? Why would Daniel mention Jesus when he wasn't even born and wouldn't be for hundreds of years? This is why one has to put it together with the other OT chapters to come up with the Messiah and thus the reward..

I am arguing against their place in tactics which Ironically is admitted to in Luke asking to place him into old texts to make him out to be the one.
ONCE AGAIN Daniel literally names Moshiach first last and secreted name, only the person whose name it is would know this.

Yes, Daniel does prophecize the Messiah, but you got the dates wrong.

Decree to rebuild Jerusalem - 457 BC
1 day = 1 year. 7 weeks = 49 days. Thus, it takes 49 years.
Jerusalem rebuilt - 408 BC
Next we have 62 weeks = 434 days. It means 434 years.
49 years + 434 years = 483 years.
Thus, 'Anointed' Ruler arrived in 27 AD.
What big Biblical event happened in 27 AD?
From 27 AD, we have 1 week = 7 days. It means 7 years
3.5 days or 3.5 years from 27 AD brings us to the middle of 30 AD. What big Biblical event happened in 30 AD?
From 30 AD, the abomination of desolation begins.
If the Bible reader can answer my questions, then they would know who the Messiah is and how Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled. Each of dates I listed fulfills a prophecy like Jerusalem being rebuilt. However, many people during that time got it wrong. Is that what you're getting at?

IIIRC the events in the first 6 chapters of Daniel, the stories of the Heroes, have been dated by some scholars as having taken place around 606 B.C. when he was captured. The 'Lion's Den' section would have been around 539 B.C. The apocalypses in chapters 7 to 12 indicate a timeline running up to the the Maccabees, , Antiochus IV, circa 167 B.C.-164 B.C. This era coincides with an increase in apocalyptic literature, and 'Hellenization' among Hebrew scholars, the rise of the Pharisees sect, itself big on apocalypse lit.

We as always can ignore Hashish Muncher's rubbish. Neither he nor Rosie know anything but garbage from their favorite crank websites. Didn't read their garbage, but I just assume everything they claim isn't true is hand waved away as 'something or other Constantine rewrote' ... lol

 

[harmonica]

is there a fake jesus?

Yes there is--- The real Jesus= John 20:17, Revelation 3:12--Jesus has a God- his Father. It takes believing Jesus, Few will.

believe what?? '''god'' was human??
it's just a belief

Just a belief? HA. Belief is very powerful.

If you "just believed" that a three in one God diddled a virgin to become fully human without a human father who pissed everyone off, partied like it was 1975, said things that no one understood, hosted a magical fish sandwich party in the middle of the desert, submitted to torture and crucifixion because he loved the romans so much only to rise from the dead and float up into the sky where he waits to return ANY MINUTE and throw unbelievers into hell and take all believers up into the sky where they will rule the earth forever as if they could take the place of God, you too could completely lose your mind, act like an idiot, say and do things that injure yourself and the people that you love while gibbering incoherently for the rest of your life, pretending to be saved.



Your choice!

just a belief.....
people believed in hitler, Jim Jones, Pol Pot, etc

 

[Taz]

is there a fake jesus?

Yes there is--- The real Jesus= John 20:17, Revelation 3:12--Jesus has a God- his Father. It takes believing Jesus, Few will.

believe what?? '''god'' was human??
it's just a belief

Just a belief? HA. Belief is very powerful.

If you "just believed" that a three in one God diddled a virgin to become fully human without a human father who pissed everyone off, partied like it was 1975, said things that no one understood, hosted a magical fish sandwich party in the middle of the desert, submitted to torture and crucifixion because he loved the romans so much only to rise from the dead and float up into the sky where he waits to return ANY MINUTE and throw unbelievers into hell and take all believers up into the sky where they will rule the earth forever as if they could take the place of God, you too could completely lose your mind, act like an idiot, say and do things that injure yourself and the people that you love while gibbering incoherently for the rest of your life, pretending to be saved.



Your choice!

just a belief.....
people believed in hitler, Jim Jones, Pol Pot, etc

exactly.

When people throw their minds in the trash and adopt irrational beliefs, bad things happen every time.

Like 9/11?