The Politics of General Patton

[Discombobulated]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

I haven't discussed Patton yet.

I estimate about seven panels in total....and, after you read same and then claim not to have....

...you will find that you are totally, and absolutely incorrect.

Stay tuned

That should be quite a treat. I can hardly wait to see how you politicize a military icon.....what else can you do since you couldn't possibly conduct an intelligent discussion of military history.

If only you were capable of learning.....(sigh...)

Please go on, do continue......I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation waiting for your next stunning revelation.

 

[irosie91]

Actually, sometime in the future, someone will write a great book on the great American political tragedy that Nixon was. During Nixon's terms, many good things were done for America. Had Nixon had the ability to turn off his paranoa once he sat in the Oval Office, he would probably be remembered as one of the great Presidents.

Long ago---as a kid-----I read the autobiography of Nixon-----
I was a teen-----with no political thoughts-----I correctly
ascertained that he had a damaged personality based on
his very own writings
P A R A N O I A<<< not a difficult spell....

true---he did do some good things----but was dangerously
damaged

 

[irosie91]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

Ike was a military genius understanding everything it takes to win a war. Strategy, Logistics and Politics

A damn good President too

he was president during a prosperous era------
and he gave us NIXON

I don't think he liked Nixon

gee------well ----do you have a reason for so saying?

 

[Discombobulated]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

 

[PoliticalChic]

took your cynical pill early today------by its very nature----
"GOVERNMENT" controls-------more or less. In times
of great stress a great government controls ----greatly---slobs
like Mussolini and Adolf and Stalin-------did it NOT GREATLY---but very badly. In good times---great governments need not
engage in great control. -------no GENERAL RULE applies----
the whole issue is kinda hit or miss

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

Ike was a military genius understanding everything it takes to win a war. Strategy, Logistics and Politics

A damn good President too

Uh, oh...you're not gonna like what I post about Ike.

 

[Discombobulated]

took your cynical pill early today------by its very nature----
"GOVERNMENT" controls-------more or less. In times
of great stress a great government controls ----greatly---slobs
like Mussolini and Adolf and Stalin-------did it NOT GREATLY---but very badly. In good times---great governments need not
engage in great control. -------no GENERAL RULE applies----
the whole issue is kinda hit or miss

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You would think PC would after all the many times, and there are many, in which her bizarre off the wall revisionist nonsense was countered that she'd learn something, even a little something. FDR's administration policies were based on Benito Mussolini alone is so stupid is there any need to read anymore? The right wing in America does nothing positive or forward looking, they constantly revise history to fit some imaginary past that never was. Their inability to face factual history is psychological and the reason that even in the present they have no grasp of what is happening. The thing is there is plenty of information for the serious student, for the blind ideologue there is always more nonsense. Ideology makes puppets of people and PC is the site's best puppet.

"Not only does there seem to be widespread social fragmentation and disillusionment with democracy in the United States, but the possibility of reversing this sense of alienation appears to many of us to be already lost. Any democratic president who wants to institute the desperately needed reforms in health, welfare and the environment faces one of two options. He can stick by his reform program and suffer a loss of public confidence through orchestrated campaigns to publicly portray him as 'too liberal' and ineffectual (the Carter image) or too indecisive or sexually indiscreet (the Clinton image). Alternatively, a reforming democratic president can move further to the Right, forget his promises and become part of the propaganda campaign. Given the history of democratic propaganda in the United States, some of us doubt that another Roosevelt or New Deal is possible. The political system is now so attuned to business interests that this kind of reformer could no longer institute the substantial health, welfare, education, environmental and employment reforms the country needs." Andrew Lohrey, Introduction, Alex Carey "Taking the Risk Out of Democracy"

"...desperately needed reforms in health,..."
OMG.
Get off your knees....ObamaCare is a scam, and

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
—George Willon Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



"...nonsense was countered .."
Never happens beyond "is not, is not."

Case in point....I gave you lots of material to find fault with....but you can't.

And more coming!

But good to see you again, middy....
If you have the time, I'll school you on the era and on General Patton's place in same.

 

[Discombobulated]

You would think PC would after all the many times, and there are many, in which her bizarre off the wall revisionist nonsense was countered that she'd learn something, even a little something. FDR's administration policies were based on Benito Mussolini alone is so stupid is there any need to read anymore? The right wing in America does nothing positive or forward looking, they constantly revise history to fit some imaginary past that never was. Their inability to face factual history is psychological and the reason that even in the present they have no grasp of what is happening. The thing is there is plenty of information for the serious student, for the blind ideologue there is always more nonsense. Ideology makes puppets of people and PC is the site's best puppet.

"Not only does there seem to be widespread social fragmentation and disillusionment with democracy in the United States, but the possibility of reversing this sense of alienation appears to many of us to be already lost. Any democratic president who wants to institute the desperately needed reforms in health, welfare and the environment faces one of two options. He can stick by his reform program and suffer a loss of public confidence through orchestrated campaigns to publicly portray him as 'too liberal' and ineffectual (the Carter image) or too indecisive or sexually indiscreet (the Clinton image). Alternatively, a reforming democratic president can move further to the Right, forget his promises and become part of the propaganda campaign. Given the history of democratic propaganda in the United States, some of us doubt that another Roosevelt or New Deal is possible. The political system is now so attuned to business interests that this kind of reformer could no longer institute the substantial health, welfare, education, environmental and employment reforms the country needs." Andrew Lohrey, Introduction, Alex Carey "Taking the Risk Out of Democracy"

"...desperately needed reforms in health,..."
OMG.
Get off your knees....ObamaCare is a scam, and

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
—George Willon Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



"...nonsense was countered .."
Never happens beyond "is not, is not."

Case in point....I gave you lots of material to find fault with....but you can't.

And more coming!

But good to see you again, middy....
If you have the time, I'll school you on the era and on General Patton's place in same.

 

[irosie91]

took your cynical pill early today------by its very nature----
"GOVERNMENT" controls-------more or less. In times
of great stress a great government controls ----greatly---slobs
like Mussolini and Adolf and Stalin-------did it NOT GREATLY---but very badly. In good times---great governments need not
engage in great control. -------no GENERAL RULE applies----
the whole issue is kinda hit or miss

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

aw shucks-----I will poke a bit more at you-----"Russian"---
and "stalin" are not synonymous with "socialism"----
karl marx was not a murderer

 

[irosie91]

took your cynical pill early today------by its very nature----
"GOVERNMENT" controls-------more or less. In times
of great stress a great government controls ----greatly---slobs
like Mussolini and Adolf and Stalin-------did it NOT GREATLY---but very badly. In good times---great governments need not
engage in great control. -------no GENERAL RULE applies----
the whole issue is kinda hit or miss

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

 

[rightwinger]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

 

[Moonglow]

Actually, sometime in the future, someone will write a great book on the great American political tragedy that Nixon was. During Nixon's terms, many good things were done for America. Had Nixon had the ability to turn off his paranoa once he sat in the Oval Office, he would probably be remembered as one of the great Presidents.

Long ago---as a kid-----I read the autobiography of Nixon-----
I was a teen-----with no political thoughts-----I correctly
ascertained that he had a damaged personality based on
his very own writings
P A R A N O I A<<< not a difficult spell....

true---he did do some good things----but was dangerously
damaged

It was the Alger Hiss curse Nixon had put on him...

 

[irosie91]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

OH so his genius was "no comment"-----whilst holding a golf club--------I got it

 

[Discombobulated]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

You have to give him credit for being able to manage prima donnas like MacArthur and Patton.

 

[irosie91]

Militarily, Patton was a genius
Politically, he was a moron

uhm.... I was a little kid when Eisenhower was golfing his way
thru life (actually baby)------but---looking back----it seems to me-------same can be said of him. Truman was smart---probably not so much a military genius, however

You massively underestimate Eisenhower. His adept handling of the enormous egos of Patton and Montgomery during WW2, his feeding of enough rope to Tailgunner Joe, and the Interstate Highway System are all testimony to a quiet and solid intellect.

Eisenhower never held a battlefield command, but he knew how to handle the men who did.

The true American military genius of WWII was Gen George Marshall

You have to give him credit for being able to manage prima donnas like MacArthur and Patton.

YOU PINNED THE TAIL ON-----uhm---the elephant

 

[rightwinger]

Worst American General of WWII

 

[Discombobulated]

took your cynical pill early today------by its very nature----
"GOVERNMENT" controls-------more or less. In times
of great stress a great government controls ----greatly---slobs
like Mussolini and Adolf and Stalin-------did it NOT GREATLY---but very badly. In good times---great governments need not
engage in great control. -------no GENERAL RULE applies----
the whole issue is kinda hit or miss

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

 

[PoliticalChic]

took your cynical pill early today------by its very nature----
"GOVERNMENT" controls-------more or less. In times
of great stress a great government controls ----greatly---slobs
like Mussolini and Adolf and Stalin-------did it NOT GREATLY---but very badly. In good times---great governments need not
engage in great control. -------no GENERAL RULE applies----
the whole issue is kinda hit or miss

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

aw shucks-----I will poke a bit more at you-----"Russian"---
and "stalin" are not synonymous with "socialism"----
karl marx was not a murderer

"karl marx was not a murderer"

Of course he was.
Next thing you'll say is that Hitler never actually killed someone....

"Early socialists publicly advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust."
Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publicly advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.





Now...let's continue with the most important American political light of the 20th century....

4. Now....when I remind that FDR had, at the least, admiration, and more probably, an infatuation, with Joseph Stalin, some will claim he was needed in the fight against Hitler.

Well, then, how to explain this:

a. FDR came into office March 4th of 1933. One of his first official acts was to recognize the USSR, November 16th, 1933.

b. If this act, based on FDR's additional pro-Soviet endeavors, was rational....then these folks must have been irrational: "Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half held to this resolve," i.e., refusal to recognize the Soviet government. That was written by Herbert Hoover, one of those four Presidents. He wrote it in his Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermathby George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011, pg 24-29.



Again....FDR embraced Stalin's regime in 1933...well before there were rumblings of war with Nazi Germany....and well after the atrocities that journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine:
"In the train a Communist denied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it."
Gareth Jones journalist - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

a. Malcolm Muggeridge "was the first writer to reveal the true nature of Stalin's regime when in 1933 he exposed the terror famine in the Ukraine. " Amazon.com Time and Eternity The Uncollected Writings of Malcolm Muggeridge 9781570759055 Malcolm Muggeridge Nicholas Flynn Books


As I began....setting the stage means understanding Roosevelt and his attitudes.
Any doubt about Roosevelt's position on dictators, totalitarianism, genocide, or the free-market?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I wonder if you would mind making you point again......seems to be all over the place.

it was the equivalent of OFFICE PARTY------I no longer work-------you are just no fun------anymore. I consider
Roosevelt to have been a great man----who used his over-
bearing control in a time of great stress-----because it was
necessary--------<<< that was actually the point. Lots of
people hated him as a "socialist" When I was a little kid---
during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult------my dad remarked---
"if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid" I grew up in a small---semi rural, suburban town that was entirely republican and quite Nazi.
All governments are a bit socialist------that's
what taxes are-----redistribution of wealth. ----see? I am
FLEXIBLE!!!!!! -----marx was not a politician----he was a
THEORIST on economics. Darwin was not a Nazi<<<<
he was into biology. Freud was not a psychiatrist---he was a neurologist. Go right ahead and comment "all over the place"

1. "Roosevelt to have been a great man..."
True, if you have no love or respect for the Constitution


2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

3. "during the Mc Carthy era-----when saying "you are a communist" was a big time insult---"
Still is, to the cogent.
Unless you are copacetic with over 100 million slaughtered by them.
Are you?


4. "if you were not a little pink in the 1930s-----it is because you
were stupid"
Because you were blackballed if you weren't.
. George Earle was a special emissary of FDR's to Europe...and returned in 1944 with proof that implicated the Soviets in the Katyn Forest massacre (In April of 1943, the mass graves of thousands of shot, bayoneted, and asphyxiated Polish officers were uncovered in the Katyn pine forest near Smolensk, Russia.) Earle testified later at the Katyn Forest hearings that Joe Levy of the NYTimes, warned him that bringing an anti-Soviet report to FDR would be a career ender : "George, you don't know what you are going to over there. Harry Hopkins has completed domination over the President and the whole atmosphere over there is 'pink.'"
West, "American Betrayal," p.211.

On March 22, 1945, FDR wrote to Earle: "I have noted with concern your plan to publicize your unfavorable opinion of one of our allies. I do not wish you to do so. Not only do I not wish it, I specifically forbid you to do so." He then ordered Earle to Samoa for the duration.

5. "that was entirely republican and quite Nazi."
Did you notice that the OP showed how well FDR got along with Adolph Hitler?
Care to deny that?


6. I'd love to respond to you bringing in Darwin and Marx....also a fav topic for me...but for now I'll stick to FDR, Hitler and Mussolini.

In all seriousness...I loved your post, and really enjoyed responding to it.

I hope you can do the same with the rest of the thread I intend on posting.

I'm really looking forward to hearing about Patton.

GENERAL Patton------now you know it all ---or almost all
of it-------

I read Patton's book "The War As I Knew It" many years ago, I was hoping the author of the OP could add some perspective to Patton's recollections.

Will do.