The Obamacare We Are In For

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    This is a great article by Walter Williams.

    You guys might have seen, if so, disregard.

    Walter E. Williams : Sweden's Government Health Care - Townhall.com

    Rest of the article at the link.

    This is what we are in for. There is not ONE socialized healthcare taht has not followed this pattern.
     
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    BAD health care access is better than NO Health care access.

    You don't want people like me to want something like socialized medicine?

    Create a system which gives we 50,000,000 Americans (and rising every day) SOME ACCESS to HC.

    Otherwise why should WE CARE if YOUR health care isn't as good as it was before it was socialized?

    Seriously...think about it.

    Why would I put YOUR interest ahead of mine?

    You don't do that for me, do you? You're putting your interests ahead of mine, aren't you?

    So why would I care if your health care wasn't as good, if you having HC depended on my NOT having it?
     
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    good answer! I don't care either!
     
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    Total left-wing bs.
    How Big Is the Problem? In 2005, according to Census Bureau data:

    More than 84 percent (247.3 million) of the 293 million U.S. residents were privately insured or enrolled in a government health program, such as Medicare, Medicaid or State Children's Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP).
    An additional 10 million to 14 million adults and children qualified for government programs but have not enrolled, experts estimate.
    Another 17 million live in households with annual incomes above $50,000 and could likely afford health insurance.
    By these estimates, nearly 10 percent theoretically have access but have chosen to forgo insurance. The remaining portion (about 6 percent of the population) earn less than $50,000 annually.

    Crisis of the Uninsured: 2006*Update - Brief Analysis #568
     
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    Another wingnut post from Townhall, aka corporate tools shop. I love that, 'Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics.' The irony that the wingnut is even in a chair of a right wing corporate sponsor is sort of funny.

    I would make a bet, if the choice were given, Swedish type health care would be voted in democratically in the good old USofA. But scare tactics and other nonsensical spin from the wingnut press corp tools makes good information hard to come by. Consider that this nation ranks 42nd in life expectancy and we pay the most. Something is wrong to all except wingnuts like Williams.

    "The United States ranks an astonishing 42nd in life expectancy, behind Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and all the countries of Western Europe, and also Israel, Greece, Singapore, Costa Rica and South Korea. The US spends twice as much money per capita on health care as any of these countries, but its citizens live shorter lives."

    U.S. ranks 42nd in life expectancy - Health care- msnbc.com

    Swedish health care - SWEDEN.SE

    Snapshots: Health Care Spending in the United States and OECD Countries - Kaiser Family Foundation
     
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    So when will you be moving, you know, to save your life?
     
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    MSNBC???? Oh it's got to be true.

    I would have died years ago if I had to go to a medical clinic like they have in Canada.
    Why I know?, I have a friend in Canada that tells me how lucky I am that we don't have the healthcare they're stuck, suffering with.
     
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    Indiana Oracle The Truth is Hard to Find

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    To that ultimate question, the answer is almost always: change to be the way we think; what is now is wrong. It is seldom that clear cut. Orson Welles: "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story".
     
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    Do you honestly know why the US ranks as it does in healthcare globally? I will give you a bit to figure it out, but likely you dont want to.
     
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    Although I agree that we need to make healthcare affordable for all Americans I do not agree with a socialised health care system that is present in Europe and Canada. Every time I have talked to people from either europe or Canada they tell me that their health care is the worst and to never let the U.S go down that path. I think that this would be better handled at the state level and not at the federal level.

    It will require that everyone pays for health insurance so that everyone's premium will be reduced. So many people today, even the one's who can afford health care, don't take it out and depend on others to pay when they are injured or sick. A young 20 ish person who is in good health can pick up a major medical policy for $50-80 per month, there is no reason they are not doing it.

    In Colorado it is mandatory to have auto insurance, if you don't, there are heavy penalties to pay should you be involved in an accident. If you are pulled over, you are immediately asked for proof of insurance, if you do not have it, you will pay penalties and given community service that you have to complete. You will also be forced to immediately get auto insurance.

    Auto insurance can be expensive, but this was done to bring down the costs of this insurance for all of us in the state of Colorado.
     

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