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The facts do not bear out your point.
Less than 500,000 people actually drawing the federal minimum wage are supporting heads of household.
I wonder how many plantations failed when slavery was outlawed?Hey genius. A federal mandate to dramatically increase wages would result in the failure of a large percentage of businesses. So right back to square one. The marketplace determines wages and that is that.People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.
See what I mean folks? People are actually this stupid.
#1.
As previously stated, your idea has not a chance in hell of becoming reality. So just stop the bullshit.
How long have you been #2
No it's not.
No one "lives' On the minimum wage..
They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.
I know several people who live on minimum wage
This thread,..................is about Living Wage. Kindly reel in to the discussion.
Has anyone ever crunched all the numbers on that?Right now, those who don't earn a living wage receive government subsidies for housing, food and medical care. Local businesses benefit from the government filling the void of low wages. They still get to employ low cost labor and the government pays for the workers to live in the commuting area.
Works out to be welfare for local businesses
Heck, if raising the min wage to a "living wage" (who gets to decide what is living or not?) then why not institute a "rich man's wage" so we can all be rich? Instead of a piddling $10/hr why not $50? Why not $500? After all, companies have all this money lying around they could be paying to people.
That is absolutely one of the stupidest ideas I have heard in a very long time. And this site comes up with some winners. It betrays a gross and total ignorance of how wages are set and the realities of business.
Corporations have 1 trillion laying around they could be paying people with a living wage.
No it's not.
No one "lives' On the minimum wage..
They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.
I know several people who live on minimum wage
Do they support a family? If so, do they get rent subsidies, food stamps, medical coverage? Do they foot the whole bill or do they need government help?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/143956-minimum-wage-reform.htmlYes, I would like to end this poor capitalist system of patches & plugs to make it work in some knee jerk fashion. A living wage is a fair wage for American workers to succeed. Obviously what we have today is not working, again, and again.
Of course businesses and their workers pay tax for programs like WIC. So they aren't exactly getting a free ride.
Why is the system "obviously" not working??
What is not working is wages are not keeping up with increases in the cost of living. The costs of rent, gas and electric, healthcare, education, food exceed what workers can make in many high cost communities
Right now, the Government steps in and gives vouchers and subsidies to cover the difference. Those businesses that rely on low cost labor reap the benefit. If you don't think they should reimburse the taxpayer...then who should pay?
So you'd prefer to return to the sweatshops and have your first 3 checks taken by the company to pay for your tools, uniform, etc?While I understand your point of view, I would not support it.
Ok, but would you prefer it over a minimum wage (which you probably don't support either)? I think you have other motives for your opposition.
I only have one motive, I just want to be left alone to live my life like I live my life.
no support for a minimum wage here
or what they dump into the rivers...it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees.
right?
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No thanks: I don't need the side of Red Herring to go with The Bullshit OP.
No it's not.
No one "lives' On the minimum wage..
They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.
I know several people who live on minimum wage
Did they risk their lives illegally crossing a desert to get here so they could earn it?
What is not working is wages are not keeping up with increases in the cost of living. The costs of rent, gas and electric, healthcare, education, food exceed what workers can make in many high cost communities
Right now, the Government steps in and gives vouchers and subsidies to cover the difference. Those businesses that rely on low cost labor reap the benefit. If you don't think they should reimburse the taxpayer...then who should pay?
Maybe government ought to cut out the subsidies and prices would fall to normal?
Who do you think pays for those vouchers and subsidies?
OK..so lets do that
Now, we have people unable to afford to live in certain communities. They lose their home, hit the streets wandering from community to community looking for work. You are conservative..what do you care?
What happens to local businesses who lose the ability to hire workers at sub-living wages? Now, the only people residing in the community are those who can afford the high cost of living. The local businesses end up paying a much higher wage to stay in business
So a business owner is paying $7.50 an hour for menial labor(anybody can do it)...The bleeding hearts, with the help of government, raise the minimum wage to $10.00 an hour...The cost of doing business dosen't go up? Businesses running close to the margins, to keep the prices down, won't have to raise prices to absorb that? Why is it that liberal/socialists think the government can monkey around in private business without having an adverse effect? As though printing money without backing it up in some way, will not turn $10.00 an hour into $5.00 an hour...or a meal in a restaurant that costs $10.00 will cost $15.00 the next time you go? "So don't go to the restaurant" you say (and many people will do just that)...The restaurant owner will have to lay off a hostess here...a dishwasher there...a line cook to follow. Or do liberal/socialists think it is the responsibility of businesses to keep or add employees until the business folds and "everyone" is out of a job?
Where is the living wage $10. an hour? Why wouldn't wages and employees go up if the business is selling more products and making more profits from consumers? Doesn't he want to stay competitive? Why is it capitalist can't think of what happens when a company pays a fair wage. As long as they are fucking the workers, they understand that.......... With the LW, and increased product sales and services, the owner will be hiring a salesmen here and and a CEO there. Or does the capitalist believe that the owner will lay off workers, not have enough products to sell, and close his doors?
Do you not understand that if the owner must pay more wages he must raise his prices, and therefore sell less?
I know several people who live on minimum wage
This thread,..................is about Living Wage. Kindly reel in to the discussion.
This thread is about you being an idiot.
As all your threads are, in the end.
This thread,..................is about Living Wage. Kindly reel in to the discussion.
This thread is about you being an idiot.
As all your threads are, in the end.
That is because the cons are sore Losers, and once the argument is lost, they spend 5-10 pages making personal attacks on the messenger. Or haven't you noticed what you are doing? Perhaps if you could stay on the subject of the thread, which is the Living Wage. <<<<SEE TITLE!!!! , you might help keep 1 thread at USMB intact.
Everything. You lefties would use the threat of government sanctions to force businesses to pay unrealistic and unaffordable wages.
This to achieve the concept of "equality of outcome". A concept incompatible with freedom.
LMAO! A fair living wage is "unrealistic & unfordable wages??" Maybe I would be missing something here, but why do you think a person works? And then you tell us a living wage is incompatible with freedom? Whose freedom?
I see a DUH working his way through the thread, perhaps the first con to see the LW and understand simple economics. Perhaps he can explain to his con knuckle draggers who were in complete & total denial last night how the LW would work and the personal benefits, family benefits and societal benefits to the LW.
Damn you are dumb.
Didn't you notice that is was the unions that got their people this "living" wage? No, no you didn't or you would have to admit that they were part of the problem that sent jobs out of the country.
your fantasy does not, has not and will not work. Now it's time to grow up, and let the adults run things w/o having to listen to the spoiled little children cry
Lifes not fair!!!!
And damn, you are an imbecile.
What bearing does unions have in nonunion people getting a living wage? Did uou notice that Hubble telescope couldn't see people working for a Living wage? No, no you didn't or you would have to admit that people do not have the Living Wage law and jobs left America anyway.
Of course you have no idea if a living wage will work or not. So why don't you go have the kids on the merry go round give you a fast spin at the park.
Life is fair for me.
WTF are you blathering about?
Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.
1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.
A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.
2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.
3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.
4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.
5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.
6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.
7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.
8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.
9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.
10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.
Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator
Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.
1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work. This is all good but you are leaving out entree level employees who do not have to support families. If a worker takes a lower level position to get their foot in the door are you saying they should make enough to take care of a family?
A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage].
2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.Can you explain this to me further? How does increasing a wage equate to more production? If your business is selling or providing your employees products or services how do you benefit by paying them more? Wouldn't that mean you were in essences paying yourself? Where is the profit coming from?
3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around. Would you not actually be increasing welfare? When you pay people more for a job you as the employer make less? You luxuries will decrease making you less motivated to continue. Now you will have to cut costs to maintain you standard of living. Where is the first place most employers cut? PAYROLL which will mean higher unemployment.
4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.How do you have new workers? Is the government going to control business profit margins? Are they going to force big business to hire more people?
5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages. Several of you big businesses are not supported by the local economy but delivered outside of the area. By raising the cost of employing someone then you in effect raise the cost to manufacture, deliver or service your product. If you are a good business person you will have to raise the cost of your product of service to compensate of reduce you work force.
6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.It will also decrease the work force.
7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children. This may very well happen in a perfect world.
8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today. The teenagers working are not a problem it is the ones staying home getting into trouble. We are the only nation who offers up higher education to everyone yet we still have all these problems.
9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc. That would go over real well. Who should be the one to work? The male like in the good ol' days. That seems very conservative or the female? It looks like you are taking away years of women's lib here.
10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities. Wouldn't some utilities be consider a luxury? I know when studying science and health it was never mentioned as a basic need.
Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator
