The Individual Mandate will be the Problem that Justifies Single Payer

[mal]

The Individual Mandate will be the Problem that Justifies Single Payer

Forcing People through Penalty of Law to have Health Insurance will Eventually Lead to Cries from the Oppressed Masses for the "Single Payer" that is Currently Unpassable.

This is by Design... It is what being "Progressive" is ALL about. They will get their "Single Payer" and they will do it by Rescuing People from a Law that they themselves Created.

And Fortunately for the DemocRATS, their Base, the only People who Support this, are too Ignorant to Realize that it will have been their Party who did this to them as they Offer "Single Payer" as the "Solution" to the "Problem".

This Painfully Predictable Path would be Entertaining if it wasn't so Tragic and Sad.

Stalin would be Proud.

Copyright ©2009 - americanfreepress.org/tha malcontent​

peace...

 

[Emma]

I hope you're right. But I doubt it. With the insurance lobby controlling so many in Congress, I don't see us ever having single-payer.

Shame.

 

[jeffrockit]

I hope you're right. But I doubt it. With the insurance lobby controlling so many in Congress, I don't see us ever having single-payer.

Shame.

With the govt having so many mandates on health insurance now, it works out to be a sweet deal for both sides and a terrible situation for "we the people"

 

[blu]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

 

[Care4all]

the insurance companies will not go out of business even with single payer...many people will buy supplemental insurance to cover what the single payer plan won't cover...as people with medicare, like my parents, pay for private supplemental insurance, in addition to their medicare...and tricare.

there will just be a different type of insurance, but they can still keep their companies...just a different insurance focus.

 

[Skull Pilot]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

 

[chanel]

I've been reading a lot of commentary on the constitutionality of the individual mandate. It seems that the govt. has the power to TAX people and force them to join a government program, but they cannot force people to pay a TAX to a private company. That's why the public option was being pushed so hard. The mandate is a TAX and I believe it is referred to as such in the wording of the bill. Despite Obama's "pledge", 30 million people making under $250K will have their TAXES increased. (as well as the rest of us)

So much for having a "constitutional scholar" in the WH.

 

[Joe Steel]

I hope you're right. But I doubt it. With the insurance lobby controlling so many in Congress, I don't see us ever having single-payer.

Shame.

With the govt having so many mandates on health insurance now, it works out to be a sweet deal for both sides and a terrible situation for "we the people"

As bad as you imagine it to be, it's a step along the path to single-payer. It's like crawling before you can run. It's not really what you want to do but it's a way to get there.

 

[Joe Steel]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

If the banks, the auto companies and the supermarkets failed to provide what we needed at reasonable prices, yes. We should establish government alternatives.

 

[Skull Pilot]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

If the banks, the auto companies and the supermarkets failed to provide what we needed at reasonable prices, yes. We should establish government alternatives.

So you want to eat government cheese the rest of your life?

Imagine walking into a super market and only being able to buy what the government has deemed as "good for you" foods. Then we would get to pay additional taxes so as to subsidize those people who can't afford "good for you" foods and our grocery bill would double or triple just as our insurance premiums will.


But hey so called progressives would love that. After all they are smarter than all of us right?

 

[mal]

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

If the banks, the auto companies and the supermarkets failed to provide what we needed at reasonable prices, yes. We should establish government alternatives.

So you want to eat government cheese the rest of your life?

Imagine walking into a super market and only being able to buy what the government has deemed as "good for you" foods. Then we would get to pay additional taxes so as to subsidize those people who can't afford "good for you" foods and our grocery bill would double or triple just as our insurance premiums will.


But hey so called progressives would love that. After all they are smarter than all of us right?

Yep...



peace...

 

[AVG-JOE]

I hope you're right. But I doubt it. With the insurance lobby controlling so many in Congress, I don't see us ever having single-payer.

Shame.

He is right, Emma. It is just a matter of time. It definitely won't end up being a single-payer system, at least on a planetary scale, but someday our descendants will have a bureaucracy that tracks healthcare payments that they really don't think about.

This bill sucks eggs. The only thing that is good about it is that none of the lobby groups are 100% happy with the entire thing.

The one thing we can do to help is to insist that congress never again have a separate plan for themselves.

 

[AVG-JOE]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

Not quite true... one of the major problems with the current system is not government involvement, it is incorrect government involvement.

Free market insurance will only work if the government is involved. Involved making sure that there always real choices for the consumer.

Entrenched corporate money is not interested in working as hard as real competition would require, hence their 'donating' almost $400 million to the democratic party in 2009 and the bullshit bill that that money gave birth to.

 

[AVG-JOE]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

What's the difference between an insurance executive 'managing your health care' and a government bureaucrat 'managing your health care'?

I mean aside from the 3/4 of a million in salary difference and the deciding coverage based on rules instead of short term profit needs difference.

 

[AVG-JOE]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

What's the difference between an insurance executive 'managing your health care' and a government bureaucrat 'managing your health care'?

I mean aside from the 3/4 of a million in salary difference and the deciding coverage based on rules instead of short term profit needs difference.

 

[AVG-JOE]

the insurance companies will not go out of business even with single payer...many people will buy supplemental insurance to cover what the single payer plan won't cover...as people with medicare, like my parents, pay for private supplemental insurance, in addition to their medicare...and tricare.

there will just be a different type of insurance, but they can still keep their companies...just a different insurance focus.

To the day 'health insurance' is no longer a valid reason to keep a job!

 

[veritas]

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Actually that works the other way around. The gov't subsidizes big AG so they can sell us crap. That's where we get all the high fructose corn syrup additives in our food from. The gov't has also gagged boutique concerns that advertise that they don't have [insert toxic chemical here] so the big companies can keep on selling us crap. The food industry is surprisingly small in regard to who the players are. You'd be shocked and horrified.

Then there's genetically modified foods. All horrible. I haven't seen a bee around here for two years.

 

[Skull Pilot]

indeed jeffrockit....

we either need health insurance with less (little to no) government involvement or go all out single payer and destroy the private insurance companies. anything else fucks over the people.

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

What's the difference between an insurance executive 'managing your health care' and a government bureaucrat 'managing your health care'?

I mean aside from the 3/4 of a million in salary difference and the deciding coverage based on rules instead of short term profit needs difference.

If the government would allow real competition between insurance companies, I'd be free to make that choice and find a company that provides what I need at a reasonable price.

Tell me if government takes over the life insurance industry next and you are forced to buy a policy at inflated prices so as to subsidize the premiums of a guy with terminal cancer because he can't be denied coverage, would you say the government plan is better that the private life insurance plan?

 

[Immanuel]

The Individual Mandate will be the Problem that Justifies Single Payer

Forcing People through Penalty of Law to have Health Insurance will Eventually Lead to Cries from the Oppressed Masses for the "Single Payer" that is Currently Unpassable.

This is by Design... It is what being "Progressive" is ALL about. They will get their "Single Payer" and they will do it by Rescuing People from a Law that they themselves Created.

And Fortunately for the DemocRATS, their Base, the only People who Support this, are too Ignorant to Realize that it will have been their Party who did this to them as they Offer "Single Payer" as the "Solution" to the "Problem".

This Painfully Predictable Path would be Entertaining if it wasn't so Tragic and Sad.

Stalin would be Proud.

Copyright ©2009 - americanfreepress.org/tha malcontent​

peace...

When they get ready to push for the single payer plan, they will tell Americans that The Health Care Act of 2009 was the responsibility of Republicans (never mind that no Republicans voted for it) and tell us that now they will fix it for us.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Yeah letting people make their own choices is bad or them.

So we should have the government telling us exactly what kind of insurance to buy and then we should let the government be the one and only insurance provider because we all know the government is so good and wonderful and can manage our health better than we can.

After that we can let the benevolent government be the only financial institution and we can be told how much we have to spend or save because the government knows better how we should handle our money than we do.

Then we can let the government be the only auto maker in the country because we can't be trusted to drive the right kind of cars

And finally we can let the government run all the supermarkets because we are too fucking stupid and eat things that are bad for us.

Oh great and powerful government protect us from ourselves.

If the banks, the auto companies and the supermarkets failed to provide what we needed at reasonable prices, yes. We should establish government alternatives.

So you want to eat government cheese the rest of your life?

Um, Skull Pilot, look at who you addressed that question to. I know that there is a saying in the world of education that "there is no such thing as a dumb question", but I think that you have proven that to be false.

You are addressing that question to Joe Steel... of course he wants to eat government cheese for the rest of his life, as long as it is produced by Democrats.

Immie