The IMPOSSIBLE didn't happen on 911

[Truthmatters]

the mass murder part is that they then lied us into Iraq

 

[SAYIT]

Previously I started a thread entitled "do you believe the official 911 story?" It was immediately moved to the conspiracy theory category even though I advocated no theory at all. I then followed that up with a thread called "who's the conspiracy theorist?" Where I pointed out that the defenders of the official story are the conspiracy theorists since there was never a criminal trial and so no facts were established and we are left only with the assertions of the official conspiracy theorists.

In my first thread I pointed to two parts of the story which just don't stand scrutiny. First the vanishing pentagon plane and second the collapse of WTC7. These are not the only parts of the story which don't add up, just the most glaring and obvious.

We are to believe that the highjacker was with very little flight training able to make a very tight descending spiral turn and slam into the Pentagon. Professional pilots have attested to the difficulty of this maneuver and doubted an amateur could pull it off. Then the plane punched thought the side of the Pentagon which is two feet thick steel reinforced concrete, the wings folded back but remained attached to the fuselage as well as the tail section and were dragged into the building where it continued on through the structural support columns (these are very substantial as it is a three story structure) and all the way to where it punched another hole in the "C ring" wall in the interior of the Pentagon. Then the entire plane along with the passengers and baggage almost completely burned up, leaving only a couple of pieces of wreckage which could have come from an airliner. Pictures taken immediately after the impact make clear that the exterior wall was still intact and the large structural failure was due to the ensuing fire so what ever hit the pentagon punched through the exterior as it did the "C ring" wall. I noted that one would expect to find at least the tail section on the ground outside the building and much more debris. The conspiracy theorists (defenders of the official story) pointed to a video of a fighter jet on a rail being slammed into a block of concrete as evidence that the plane would have been obliterated, but the video doesn't show the aftermath so it's hard to tell what was left of the plane, besides if the plane was obliterated upon contact how did it punch through the exterior wall, the structural columns and the "C"ring wall? Additionally, even if all these improbable events did occur, the idea that the plane was almost entirely consumed by fire is silly. Aluminum melts at around 1600degrees F but does not burn until heated to over 6000degrees F far beyond the temps resulting from hydrocarbon fires. There should have been large globs of melted aluminum inside the pentagon but the pictures of the aftermath don't show this. Finally I pointed out that there is YouTube video of an airliner of like size and weight which crashed on takeoff in Lagos Nigeria. It slammed into the side of a much less substantial wood frame apartment building. It did not penetrate all the way through. The tail section as expected was almost untouched and though the plane exploded and burned the airframe is easily recognized, and passengers and luggage are clearly evident. The conspiracy theorists want to hang their hat on the fact that some debris which looks similar to airliner parts were found and that light poles out side the Pentagon were knocked down or that DNA was "found" inside the Pentagon days later. Clearly, this was a conspiracy and if as I am saying it was not as a result of the official conspiracy theory, then the real conspirators had every motivation to plant phony evidence to cover their tracks.

Then there is WTC7, the smoking gun as it were. Here, if it weren't so monstrously evil it would be laughable. The evidence which can be gleaned overwhelmingly points to controlled demolition. Watch the YouTube video of the collapse, it falls neatly straight down at near free fall speed into its own footprint. This can ONLY happen if ALL the support columns fail simultaneously on each floor and synchronously from floor to floor. The chances of this happening from a random event are so vanishingly small that it must be considered IMPOSSIBLE! The NIST report asserts that this was the result of a moderate office fire but presented no science to back it up. They may as well have blamed it on fairies. Again YouTube video provides an example of what structural failure due to fire looks like. Look at the 2005 Windsor Tower fire in Madrid Spain. Here you see a modern steel frame high rise fully engulfed in fire. It rages uncontrolled for nearly two days and finally there is some structural failure. This failure is as would be expected, near the top (heat rises), slow in developing and asymmetrical. The aftermath shows a burned out wreck but with the structural frame largely in tact. The building did not simply collapse entirely in seconds.
If you are honest with yourself you simply can't ignore the obvious, WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition.

THE IMPOSSIBLE DIDN'T HAPPEN ON 911!

So you figure someone figured out how to drop 7 in roughly its own footprint, managed to rig the building without anyone noticing, timed the alleged CD to coincide with the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, and did it all without anyone breathing a word of it? I thought you don't subscribe to silly CTs.

Is what you said less possible than every column in WTC7 failing simultaneously with each floor synchronously timed all as a result of a random office fire? No because that is IMPOSSIBLE.

The perpetrators were counting on people like you to help cover up. Shrilly pointing out that there would have been a big conspiracy to pull off 911.

Well we both agree, there was a conspiracy, you have a theory which I have debunked and I have yet to form one as I don't have enough facts.

Have you even looked at videos of CD? Or the one of the Windsor Tower?

Soooo, from one side of your mouth you admit you haven't the facts to form a CT and from the other you promote your CD CT. Interesting.

 

[Truthmatters]

Many people dont think about it any more, this is a problem for us. When your grand children ask you about it, and they will because people who were not traumatized by the events of 911 will bring a dispassionate eye to the subject, what will you tell them? Well I just didn't want to be call a conspiracy theorist so I ignored mass murder?

We are talking mass murder. I was shocked after seeing the video of WTC7. Literally. It took me months to come to grips with it. OMG! It shook my faith in America to the core. But everyone in government is not necessarily implicated. Probably most were duped as were we all initially.

We owe it to our posterity to find out.because Truth matters.

Oh I agree wihosa,

there were just more pertainent things to pay attention to for years now.

Number one was getting the centers of power away from the people who through ingorance or design allowed this country to be bombed by the enemy with VERY LITTLE resources

Why do you conclude the perps had very little resources? Are you still buying the official conspiracy theory? The evidence is that WTC7 was brought down by people with immense resources.

If you go by the official story then the Bush administration FAILED to listen to our top terror experts and through ignorance allowed a few men with a little training to attack America on its own soil killing thousands of people.



That is if you take their story as fact.


they either lied or they were completely incompetant.

 

[SAYIT]

Really? Another thread on this? You claim to be advocating no theory, but you ARE advocating that WTC7 was brought down by CD, which is a conspiracy theory. And a debunked on at that.

I am making a logical conclusion, it is impossible for WTC7 to have collapsed as it did due to fire and as no other "theory" is even plausible we are left by deductive reasoning with the only possibility cause.... Controlled Demolition.

You have more than one idiot inside your pinhead, Princess?

What has been debunked is your conspiracy theory, the official conspiracy theory. Or why don't you find a video of another building collapsing as WTC7 did as a result of fire? I found numerous videos of buildings collapsing in that manner but they were all as a result of CD. And I found a video of the Windsor Tower it looks nothing like WTC7.

I have no theory for who or why, we need evidence tested in a court of law and proven to be fact to formulate a theory.

So you figure someone figured out how to drop 7 in roughly its own footprint, managed to rig the building without anyone noticing, timed the alleged CD to coincide with the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, and did it all without anyone breathing a word of it? I thought you don't subscribe to silly CTs.

 

[PredFan]

world trade tower seven is very hard to accept as an accidental free fall drop.


I dont think about it much any more as we will likely never get the truth on it.


for it to fall into its own footprint in freefall time just by accident is alot to accept.


Especially when the people who ran the country at the time have been proven to have repetedly lied to the American people in matters of life and death.

And there you have it. Truthmatters agrees with the CTpeople. That should tell you how crazy your beliefs really are.

 

[eots]

Really? Another thread on this? You claim to be advocating no theory, but you ARE advocating that WTC7 was brought down by CD, which is a conspiracy theory. And a debunked on at that.

debunked by who ?? when ??

By all of us in numerous threads on the subject.

In your dreams maybe

 

[PredFan]

debunked by who ?? when ??

By all of us in numerous threads on the subject.

In your dreams maybe

OMG, I hope I don't dream about the USMB!

 

[wihosa]

There is no reason to have a criminal trial as all the known perps are dead. You would try their remains? Who would you charge with the crime and what would you use as evidence?

This is what prosecutors do, they find evidence and test it in a court of law. Just because the people who have been blamed are conveniently dead is no reason to not determine the truth. I have debunked a major part of your conspiracy theory and yet you defend it. Why? No courage?

You have merely played with yourself in public and you still haven't explained who you would charge and what you would use for evidence.

I just gave you a giant piece of evidence, the impossibility of WTC7 collapsing due to fire. As for who, more facts must be proven.

 

[wihosa]

world trade tower seven is very hard to accept as an accidental free fall drop.


I dont think about it much any more as we will likely never get the truth on it.


for it to fall into its own footprint in freefall time just by accident is alot to accept.


Especially when the people who ran the country at the time have been proven to have repetedly lied to the American people in matters of life and death.

Many people dont think about it any more, this is a problem for us. When your grand children ask you about it, and they will because people who were not traumatized by the events of 911 will bring a dispassionate eye to the subject, what will you tell them? Well I just didn't want to be call a conspiracy theorist so I ignored mass murder?

We are talking mass murder. I was shocked after seeing the video of WTC7. Literally. It took me months to come to grips with it. OMG! It shook my faith in America to the core. But everyone in government is not necessarily implicated. Probably most were duped as were we all initially.

We owe it to our posterity to find out.because Truth matters.

Mass murder? How many do you believe died as a result of 7's collapse?

Clearly it was not a coincidence that WTC7 fell on 911' the chances of that are infinitesimal. The events are connected.

 

[wihosa]

So you figure someone figured out how to drop 7 in roughly its own footprint, managed to rig the building without anyone noticing, timed the alleged CD to coincide with the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, and did it all without anyone breathing a word of it? I thought you don't subscribe to silly CTs.

Is what you said less possible than every column in WTC7 failing simultaneously with each floor synchronously timed all as a result of a random office fire? No because that is IMPOSSIBLE.

The perpetrators were counting on people like you to help cover up. Shrilly pointing out that there would have been a big conspiracy to pull off 911.

Well we both agree, there was a conspiracy, you have a theory which I have debunked and I have yet to form one as I don't have enough facts.

Have you even looked at videos of CD? Or the one of the Windsor Tower?

Soooo, from one side of your mouth you admit you haven't the facts to form a CT and from the other you promote your CD CT. Interesting.

Soooo your having trouble following a line of reasoning. I have proven a fact, barring any contrary evidence from you or anyone else, it is impossible that WTC7 fell as a result of fire. Therefore your conspiracy theory is debunked. As for filling the blanks as to who, why etc, again we need evidence tested in court to form a theory.

 

[wihosa]

Really? Another thread on this? You claim to be advocating no theory, but you ARE advocating that WTC7 was brought down by CD, which is a conspiracy theory. And a debunked on at that.

I am making a logical conclusion, it is impossible for WTC7 to have collapsed as it did due to fire and as no other "theory" is even plausible we are left by deductive reasoning with the only possibility cause.... Controlled Demolition.

You have more than one idiot inside your pinhead, Princess?

What has been debunked is your conspiracy theory, the official conspiracy theory. Or why don't you find a video of another building collapsing as WTC7 did as a result of fire? I found numerous videos of buildings collapsing in that manner but they were all as a result of CD. And I found a video of the Windsor Tower it looks nothing like WTC7.

I have no theory for who or why, we need evidence tested in a court of law and proven to be fact to formulate a theory.

So you figure someone figured out how to drop 7 in roughly its own footprint, managed to rig the building without anyone noticing, timed the alleged CD to coincide with the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, and did it all without anyone breathing a word of it? I thought you don't subscribe to silly CTs.

As horrific as it sounds it is more possible than the impossible.

 

[wihosa]

world trade tower seven is very hard to accept as an accidental free fall drop.


I dont think about it much any more as we will likely never get the truth on it.


for it to fall into its own footprint in freefall time just by accident is alot to accept.


Especially when the people who ran the country at the time have been proven to have repetedly lied to the American people in matters of life and death.

And there you have it. Truthmatters agrees with the CTpeople. That should tell you how crazy your beliefs really are.

Wrong, if truth matters agreed with the contract theorists he would agree with you. You are after all the one defending the conspiracy theory.

 

[Spoonman]

Oh I agree wihosa,

there were just more pertainent things to pay attention to for years now.

Number one was getting the centers of power away from the people who through ingorance or design allowed this country to be bombed by the enemy with VERY LITTLE resources

Why do you conclude the perps had very little resources? Are you still buying the official conspiracy theory? The evidence is that WTC7 was brought down by people with immense resources.

If you go by the official story then the Bush administration FAILED to listen to our top terror experts and through ignorance allowed a few men with a little training to attack America on its own soil killing thousands of people.



That is if you take their story as fact.


they either lied or they were completely incompetant.

mmmmmm, I hate to burst you lib spin bubble but the entered the country and did the actual training under Clintons watch.

 

[SAYIT]

world trade tower seven is very hard to accept as an accidental free fall drop.
I dont think about it much any more as we will likely never get the truth on it.

for it to fall into its own footprint in freefall time just by accident is alot to accept.

For very large buildings to collapse as they did in a CD is even more improbable and for those buildings to have been rigged for demo without anyone noticing or blowing the whistle is even more improbable than that.

Especially when the people who ran the country at the time have been proven to have repetedly lied to the American people in matters of life and death.

As wrong as misleading Americans is, it isn't proof of collusion in the 9/11 attack on America. The fact that we know we were lied to should tell you just how difficult it is to keep a secret in Washington. What is missing in your rationale is the lack of skepticism being applied to the various 9/11 CTs. 7forever claims "no plane hit any buildings on 9/11." Where does the CT lunacy end?

 

[SAYIT]

I am making a logical conclusion, it is impossible for WTC7 to have collapsed as it did due to fire and as no other "theory" is even plausible we are left by deductive reasoning with the only possibility cause.... Controlled Demolition.

You have more than one idiot inside your pinhead, Princess?

What has been debunked is your conspiracy theory, the official conspiracy theory. Or why don't you find a video of another building collapsing as WTC7 did as a result of fire? I found numerous videos of buildings collapsing in that manner but they were all as a result of CD. And I found a video of the Windsor Tower it looks nothing like WTC7.

I have no theory for who or why, we need evidence tested in a court of law and proven to be fact to formulate a theory.

So you figure someone figured out how to drop 7 in roughly its own footprint, managed to rig the building without anyone noticing, timed the alleged CD to coincide with the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, and did it all without anyone breathing a word of it? I thought you don't subscribe to silly CTs.

As horrific as it sounds it is more possible than the impossible.

All the theories are more probable than impossible yet the NIST findings are infinitely more probable than any of the CTs which have been floated by the 9/11 CT Movement since 9/11.
The trick is to apply the same level of skepticism to those CTs that you apply to the NIST report.

 

[SAYIT]

world trade tower seven is very hard to accept as an accidental free fall drop.


I dont think about it much any more as we will likely never get the truth on it.


for it to fall into its own footprint in freefall time just by accident is alot to accept.


Especially when the people who ran the country at the time have been proven to have repetedly lied to the American people in matters of life and death.

And there you have it. Truthmatters agrees with the CTpeople. That should tell you how crazy your beliefs really are.

Wrong, if truth matters agreed with the contract theorists he would agree with you. You are after all the one defending the conspiracy theory.

"Contract theory?" You are reduced to playing silly semantics because your little 9/11 CT Movement has so little of substance to offer. Once you get beyond whining about the NIST report you quickly run out of steam.

 

[SAYIT]

This is what prosecutors do, they find evidence and test it in a court of law. Just because the people who have been blamed are conveniently dead is no reason to not determine the truth. I have debunked a major part of your conspiracy theory and yet you defend it. Why? No courage?

You have merely played with yourself in public and you still haven't explained who you would charge and what you would use for evidence.

I just gave you a giant piece of evidence, the impossibility of WTC7 collapsing due to fire. As for who, more facts must be proven.

Not only have you failed to prove the impossibility of 7's collapse, 9/11 already proved your supposition to be flawed. BTW, where and how would you gather facts about who else was involved?

 

[SAYIT]

Many people dont think about it any more, this is a problem for us. When your grand children ask you about it, and they will because people who were not traumatized by the events of 911 will bring a dispassionate eye to the subject, what will you tell them? Well I just didn't want to be call a conspiracy theorist so I ignored mass murder?

We are talking mass murder. I was shocked after seeing the video of WTC7. Literally. It took me months to come to grips with it. OMG! It shook my faith in America to the core. But everyone in government is not necessarily implicated. Probably most were duped as were we all initially.

We owe it to our posterity to find out.because Truth matters.

Mass murder? How many do you believe died as a result of 7's collapse?

Clearly it was not a coincidence that WTC7 fell on 911' the chances of that are infinitesimal. The events are connected.

7 not only collapsed as part of the attack on the Twin Towers, it collapsed as a direct result of it.

 

[eots]

So you figure someone figured out how to drop 7 in roughly its own footprint, managed to rig the building without anyone noticing, timed the alleged CD to coincide with the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers, and did it all without anyone breathing a word of it? I thought you don't subscribe to silly CTs.

As horrific as it sounds it is more possible than the impossible.

All the theories are more probable than impossible yet the NIST findings are infinitely more probable than any of the CTs which have been floated by the 9/11 CT Movement since 9/11.
The trick is to apply the same level of skepticism to those CTs that you apply to the NIST report.

NIST has finally released their final report into the collapse of Building 7, which collapsed inexplicably on 9/11. The New York Times quoted Sunder who said, "[The] reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery... It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.” Earlier, Sunder was scratching his head, saying, "We’ve had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7." Similarly, the collapse baffled FEMA who lamely concluded, "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence.” In other words, despite the fact that FEMA claimed a diesel fuel explosion would have been improbable, NIST is now asserting that mere "fires" knocked down WTC 7? As NIST admits, this would be the "first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building."

Arabesque: 9/11 Truth: NIST Concludes "Fire" Caused WTC 7 ?Collapse? when FEMA Report Concluded Fuel Tank Explosion had "low probability? of Knocking Down Tower

 

[SAYIT]

Is what you said less possible than every column in WTC7 failing simultaneously with each floor synchronously timed all as a result of a random office fire? No because that is IMPOSSIBLE.

The perpetrators were counting on people like you to help cover up. Shrilly pointing out that there would have been a big conspiracy to pull off 911.

Well we both agree, there was a conspiracy, you have a theory which I have debunked and I have yet to form one as I don't have enough facts.

Have you even looked at videos of CD? Or the one of the Windsor Tower?

Soooo, from one side of your mouth you admit you haven't the facts to form a CT and from the other you promote your CD CT. Interesting.

Soooo your having trouble following a line of reasoning. I have proven a fact, barring any contrary evidence from you or anyone else, it is impossible that WTC7 fell as a result of fire. Therefore your conspiracy theory is debunked. As for filling the blanks as to who, why etc, again we need evidence tested in court to form a theory.

In the 11+ years since 9/11 no evidence of CD has been uncovered nor has any of a conspiracy beyond that of the known perps.
You've proven nothing as the reality of 7's collapse debunks your "impossible" dream and in order to have a criminal trial you will have to charge someone with a crime.
Who would you charge and with what crime?