The Idolatry of Ronald Reagan

[RKMBrown]

^ Statue of Reagan, Budapest, Hungary

^ Statue of Reagan, Warsaw, Poland

It sucks to be an "American" Progressive, on the wrong side of history and rooting for the USSR

.Exactly.

the left/Dems can't stand that and are pissed because all their Dear wonderful leader Obama was going to get was a Park bench in Hawaii. and they nixed that too..
Reagan was one the greatest Presidents of our country. Those who can't handle that will just have to buy diaper cream

How can a president be great with the most corrupt administration in history? Unlike Obama's corruption which is only in republican's minds. Below is a couple links. You might want to ask a teacher or two in your school that look over age 50 or 55 who can tell you about how Reagan the great wasn't so great after all. Luddly and Right Winger are always available as well in your quest for knowledge. Lay off of fox news and right wing radio. All know nothings and talk jocks out to scare, misinform, and spread hatred.


Defending The Truth Political Forum

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Iran-Contra Affair Prosecutions Convictions and Pardons - List of Prosecutions Convictions and Pardons in Reagan s Iran-Contra Affair

yep. 30+ criminal convictions in his Admin.

I think the Repub hive rationalizes deifying the budget-busting, amnesty-giving, terrorist-arming, actor is because they'd have to go back an ADDITIONAL generation or two to find one w/o sullied hands lol

Yup, and Obama makes Reagan look like George friggen Washington in comparison.

Obama's marked hatred for our country makes every other President that came before him look like George friggen Washington.

 

[RKMBrown]

Reagan stands out as a great president because we've seen so many lousy presidents in the last 40 years. The last 3 Democrats in particular.

Last three democrats? When was the last time we had a republican that even pretended to have a conservative view point?

 

[mudwhistle]

Reagan stands out as a great president because we've seen so many lousy presidents in the last 40 years. The last 3 Democrats in particular.

Last three democrats? When was the last time we had a republican that even pretended to have a conservative view point?

Excuse me, but being president doesn't mean strict adherence to an ideology. Sometimes they have to compromise to get things done. Let Congress represent their constituents. A president is supposed to represent the country as a whole. Even Bill Clinton was pragmatic enough to sign welfare reform. Obama isn't capable of that, but both Bush 41&43 were and so was Reagan.

 

[Meathead]

Reagan stands out as a great president because we've seen so many lousy presidents in the last 40 years. The last 3 Democrats in particular.

Last three democrats? When was the last time we had a republican that even pretended to have a conservative view point?

Excuse me, but being president doesn't mean strict adherence to an ideology. Sometimes they have to compromise to get things done. Let Congress represent their constituents. A president is supposed to represent the country as a whole. Even Bill Clinton was pragmatic enough to sign welfare reform. Obama isn't capable of that, but both Bush 41&43 were and so was Reagan.

Obama got everything handed to him because he was an articulate black man, be it as student, senator or president. At the start of his presidency he had huge majorities in both houses as he began to believe in his own invincibility. That has left him with no sense of humility and insight.

He, like many of his supporters, actually bought into the myth of inevitability of greatness.

It was a pipe dream from which some have not sobered, including Obama himself. He would leave office easily as the least popular presidents since polls started tracking if it weren't for the blind faith of black America.

 

[RKMBrown]

Reagan stands out as a great president because we've seen so many lousy presidents in the last 40 years. The last 3 Democrats in particular.

Last three democrats? When was the last time we had a republican that even pretended to have a conservative view point?

Excuse me, but being president doesn't mean strict adherence to an ideology. Sometimes they have to compromise to get things done. Let Congress represent their constituents. A president is supposed to represent the country as a whole. Even Bill Clinton was pragmatic enough to sign welfare reform. Obama isn't capable of that, but both Bush 41&43 were and so was Reagan.

You particularly pointed to the last three democrats.. but fail to recognize that Bush jr was more Socialist and had more socialist programs approved than Bill. Bill was more conservative than Bush and compromised to bring conservative reforms. Bush compromised to bring socialist dogma to America. The poor pay no taxes... No child left behind... Welfare up instead of down... Never ending Wars... these are not compromises these are radical socialist dogma. Bill makes Bush Jr. look like a marxist. Obama is worse than Bush, but just barely.


Obama<Carter<BushJr< ....< BushSr < Clinton < Kennedy <... < ...... <Reagan<Washington

 

[mudwhistle]

Reagan stands out as a great president because we've seen so many lousy presidents in the last 40 years. The last 3 Democrats in particular.

Last three democrats? When was the last time we had a republican that even pretended to have a conservative view point?

Excuse me, but being president doesn't mean strict adherence to an ideology. Sometimes they have to compromise to get things done. Let Congress represent their constituents. A president is supposed to represent the country as a whole. Even Bill Clinton was pragmatic enough to sign welfare reform. Obama isn't capable of that, but both Bush 41&43 were and so was Reagan.

You particularly pointed to the last three democrats.. but fail to recognize that Bush jr was more Socialist and had more socialist programs approved than Bill. Bill was more conservative than Bush and compromised to bring conservative reforms. Bush compromised to bring socialist dogma to America. The poor pay no taxes... No child left behind... Welfare up instead of down... Never ending Wars... these are not compromises these are radical socialist dogma. Bill makes Bush Jr. look like a marxist. Obama is worse than Bush, but just barely.


Obama<Carter<BushJr< ....< BushSr < Clinton < Kennedy <... < ...... <Reagan<Washington

He also tried to privatize Social Security...... and those Democrats stopped him.

 

[Meathead]

Reagan stands out as a great president because we've seen so many lousy presidents in the last 40 years. The last 3 Democrats in particular.

Last three democrats? When was the last time we had a republican that even pretended to have a conservative view point?

Excuse me, but being president doesn't mean strict adherence to an ideology. Sometimes they have to compromise to get things done. Let Congress represent their constituents. A president is supposed to represent the country as a whole. Even Bill Clinton was pragmatic enough to sign welfare reform. Obama isn't capable of that, but both Bush 41&43 were and so was Reagan.

first you say the last three democrats.. but fail to recognize that Bush jr was more Socialist and had more socialist programs approved than Bill. Bill was more conservative than Bush and compromised to bring conservative reforms. Bush compromised to bring socialist dogma to America. The poor pay no taxes... No child left behind... Welfare up instead of down... Never ending Wars... these are not compromises these are radical socialist dogma. Bill makes Bush Jr. look like a marxist.

You make some good points on Clinton compared to Bush. In truth, Clinton fed off Reagan as pragmatic. That's how the "third way" came about as a compromise to liberalism. Likewise, Bush II fed off of both, but he largely fed off Clinton in domestic matters.

Enter Obama. He decided, in his divinity, to sever ties with his recent predecessors and deliver on the Hope & Change mantra. It's laughable now. but he honestly thought he could lead a revolution in the same way Reagan did.

Obama is no Reagan.

 

[regent]

And someone of a very different political persuasion who was on the front liine against communism, and actually someone who I met briefly:

Former Czech President Vaclav Havel:
"I was deeply hit by the news about the death of Ronald Reagan.

He was a man of firm principles who was indisputably instrumental in the fall of communism."

Gorby gave Reagan a deal and Reagan grabbed it, and for that we should thank Reagan. It was Gorby's deal, however.

Reagan's mission was the collapse of the Soviet Union. That was certainly not Gorbachev's. It's history folks. Attempted revisionism is the errand of fools and hacks.

Might want to read up a little on that period.

 

[whitehall]

Why does the anti-Ronald Reagan left think that the concept of limited government is at odds with Social Security and Medicare and disaster aid? Are they stupid or do they not understand how Social Security has been robbed by politicians and Medicare is a financial disaster due to government incompetence and FEMA is s gigantic ineffective bureaucracy. Why do low information lefties trust government without ever thinking about it?

 

[RKMBrown]

Reagan stands out as a great president because we've seen so many lousy presidents in the last 40 years. The last 3 Democrats in particular.

Last three democrats? When was the last time we had a republican that even pretended to have a conservative view point?

Excuse me, but being president doesn't mean strict adherence to an ideology. Sometimes they have to compromise to get things done. Let Congress represent their constituents. A president is supposed to represent the country as a whole. Even Bill Clinton was pragmatic enough to sign welfare reform. Obama isn't capable of that, but both Bush 41&43 were and so was Reagan.

You particularly pointed to the last three democrats.. but fail to recognize that Bush jr was more Socialist and had more socialist programs approved than Bill. Bill was more conservative than Bush and compromised to bring conservative reforms. Bush compromised to bring socialist dogma to America. The poor pay no taxes... No child left behind... Welfare up instead of down... Never ending Wars... these are not compromises these are radical socialist dogma. Bill makes Bush Jr. look like a marxist. Obama is worse than Bush, but just barely.


Obama<Carter<BushJr< ....< BushSr < Clinton < Kennedy <... < ...... <Reagan<Washington

He also tried to privatize Social Security...... and those Democrats stopped him.

Tried and failed... not gonna give him credit for his failure to execute.

 

[Dot Com]

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What did Ronald Reagan ever do that makes every GOP candidate want to be a mindless Ronald Reagan redux?

He was most conservative president since Jefferson founded the party with Madison in 1793. Plus, he ended cold war saved world from nuclear anniliation and freed 2 billion people. He was god-like to be honest.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Conservatives extol limited government, but they never refuse social security or medicare;

dear, they are entitled to their share of the waste just like anyone else. but, that does not mean they want the liberal soviet govt to keep wasting our money.

Do you understand now?

 

[Dot Com]

he needs to be exhumed and retroactively impeached

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

he needs to be exhumed and retroactively impeached

yes for freeing 2 billion people some of whom lived under Stalin when our liberals were spying for Stalin and giving him the bomb!

 

[Camp]

What did Ronald Reagan ever do that makes every GOP candidate want to be a mindless Ronald Reagan redux?

He was most conservative president since Jefferson founded the party with Madison in 1793. Plus, he ended cold war saved world from nuclear anniliation and freed 2 billion people. He was god-like to be honest.

Calvin Coolidge, Warren Harding and Grover Cleveland were more conservative. He was a major player in the fall of the USSR after he left office, but it would have fell without him. The first Polish Pope in history, John Paul II sparked the strikes, civil disobedience and massive street protest in when he visited Poland in 1979, before Reagan became President. The President that prevented a nuclear annihilation was John F. Kennedy and your 2 billion people claim is ridiculous.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

He was a major player in the fall of the USSR after he left office, but it would have fell without him..

A statue to former US president Ronald Reagan, who is highly respected in Poland for having helped hasten the fall of the Iron Curtain, was unveiled by Communist-era opposition icon Lech Walesa in Warsaw yesterday.




"Let us bow before Ronald Reagan for the fact that our generation was able to bring an end to the great divisions and conflicts of the world," Mr Walesa said in a ceremony in the heart of the Polish capital Warsaw.

"What happened seemed impossible or unthinkable. The older generations still remember," the Nobel Peace laureate said.

A handsome, stylized 'park bench' monument dedicated to Cold War victor Ronald Reagan was unveiled in the former Soviet republic of Georgia yesterday. The country's pro-Western, American-educated president Mikhail Saakashvili proclaimed that the work 'deserves a place in the heart of Tblisi' as he and his countrymen seek to honor Reaganfor 'destroying the Soviet empire'. He also took the opportunity to lament what he sees as Vladimir Putin's attempts torestore that lost empire.



Reagan ended the cold war and very possibly saved humanity from nuclear annihilation; 2 billion live under freedom today, who would be starving to death under the communism that Reagan understood and hated so much! The Democrats spied for Communism and wanted peaceful coexistence or detente because they lacked the IQ to understand what it really was! Without Reagan, Gorbechev would not have known what the alternative was! Reagan said, "Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall" HIs moral clarity, the Stinger missiles that he personally gave to Afghanistan, and Star Wars (the ABM system we still desperately need today) inspired the death of the USSR !!

On the domestic front Reagan also had moral clarity! He said, "isn't welfare a form of slavery" Then "welfare as we know it" was ended. Moreover, he and Newt got 34 States to sign a Balanced Budget Amendment that would have prevented all the domestic problems we face today because of Democratic fiscal irresponsibility. Moreover, if the Balanced Budget had been passed we would no longer be plagued by the Democratic Party as we know it! IF the Democrats could no longer subvert our democracy by buying votes with promises of ever expanding welfare programs they would instantly disappear!! Further: Reagan slashed taxes from a 70% top bracket in 1981 to 28% in 1986. That resulted in 20 million jobs being created between 1983 - 1989, a doubling of the amount of revenue going into government coffers, and a wave of prosperity that America rode from 1983 until 2001 with only a small pause at the end of the George Bush Sr.'s term.

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.

-- Ronald Reagan

"President Reagan's Radio Address to the Nation on Welfare Reform

February 15, 1986

My fellow Americans:

Today I'd like to speak to you about a gathering crisis in our society: It's a family crisis. To some it's hidden, concealed behind tenement walls or lost in the forgotten streets of our inner cities. But for millions of Americans, the crisis is ever present and growing, and it threatens to become a permanent scar on the American promise of hope and opportunity for all.

I'm talking about the crisis of family breakdowns, especially among the welfare poor, both black and white. In inner cities today, families, as we've always thought of them, are not even being formed. Since 1960 the percentage of babies born out of wedlock has more than doubled. And too often their mothers are only teenagers. They're children-many of them 15, 16, and 17 years old with all the responsibilities of grownups thrust upon them. The fathers of these children are often nowhere to be found. In some instances you have to go back three generations before you can find an intact family. It seems even the memory of families is in danger of becoming extinct. And what of the babies born out of wedlock, these children born to children. Statistically, we know that they're much more likely to have a low birth weight and, thus, serious health problems. We know that out-of-wedlock children often suffer abuse and neglect as well. And what sort of future can they look forward to?

The family is the most basic support system there is. For two centuries now, it's been families pulling together that has provided the courage, willpower, and sense of security that have enabled millions of Americans to escape poverty and grab hold of the rungs on the ladder of opportunity. How often have we heard about the immigrant father laboring long into the night to give his children the advantages he never had? How many self-made men and women in America of all ethnic backgrounds owe their success to the strength of character given them by hard-working, loving parents? But for the children of child mothers and absentee fathers, there is often only a deepening cycle of futility, hopelessness, and despair.

RIGHT HERE >>> We're in danger of creating a permanent culture of poverty as inescapable as any chain or bond; a second and separate America, an America of lost dreams and stunted lives. The irony is that misguided welfare programs instituted in the name of compassion have actually helped turn a shrinking problem into a national tragedy. From the 1950's on, poverty in America was declining. American society, an opportunity society, was doing its wonders. Economic growth was providing a ladder for millions to climb up out of poverty and into prosperity. In 1964 the famous War on Poverty was declared and a funny thing happened. Poverty, as measured by dependency, stopped shrinking and then actually began to grow worse. I guess you could say, poverty won the war. Poverty won in part because instead of helping the poor, government programs ruptured the bonds holding poor families together.

Perhaps the most insidious effect of welfare is its usurpation of the role of provider. In States where payments are highest, for instance, public assistance for a single mother can amount to much more than the usable income of a minimum wage job. In other words, it can pay for her to quit work. Many families are eligible for substantially higher benefits when the father is not present. What must it do to a man to know that his own children will be better off if he is never legally recognized as their father? Under existing welfare rules, a teenage girl who becomes pregnant can make herself eligible for welfare benefits that will set her up in an apartment of her own, provide medical care, and feed and clothe her. She only has to fulfill one condition-not marry or identify the father.

Obviously something is desperately wrong with our welfare system. With only about half of what is now spent on welfare, we could give enough money to every impoverished man, woman, and child to lift them above the poverty line. Instead, we spend vast amounts on a system that perpetuates poverty. But the waste of money pales before the sinful waste of human potential-the squandering of so many millions of hopes and dreams.

In my State of the Union Address, I directed our administration to study the welfare system with a keen eye to making reforms. We already have in place a low-income assistance working group, which is hard at its task. In addition, I've instructed Attorney General Edwin Meese, as Chairman pro tern of our Domestic Policy Council, to convene a working group to evaluate the effect of a wide range of government programs on American families, especially poor families. These groups will report back to me by December 1st. The welfare tragedy has gone on too long. It's time to reshape our welfare system so that it can be judged by how many Americans it makes independent of welfare.

Until next week, thanks for listening. God bless you

Ronald Reagan Radio Address to the Nation on Welfare Reform

 

[Mr Natural]

The Beatles and the Pope had as much to do with the fall of the Siviet Union as did St Reagan.

 

[RKMBrown]

The Beatles and the Pope had as much to do with the fall of the Siviet Union as did St Reagan.

You must be one of those communist retards... rofl you socialists are sooo pitiful.

 

[Publius1787]

What did Ronald Reagan ever do that makes every GOP candidate want to be a mindless Ronald Reagan redux?

Conservatives extol limited government, but they never refuse social security or medicare; they never refuse federal aid when disaster strikes; they never refuse workers' comp or unemployment benefits; and they all benefits from the Fair Labor Standards Act and other federal laws related to public health, education, welfare, and safety.

From the party of hero worship.