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The Great Tax Lie
- Thread starter jreeves
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No impact, No idea.
Since your not bothered why don't you go ahead and step it up a little, pay until right before it becomes a burden. Then if a few million also took the same path maybe we could get some tax relief in this country....Oh never mind it really doesn't matter how much tax revenue there is the government would just continue spending....
Yes, its terrible when the government spends on things like roads, the military, police, education, etc. What do we need those things for?
680 billion dollars in social spending.....Go ahead and mail those extra taxes right on in...
That's right. The allocation of tax revenue by the government isn't an outcome of a political process and a compromise between competing interests within a society, its the suppression of liberty!
Ergo, all military spending should be funded by voluntary taxes, because a very significant percentage of the population is against foreign wars, and forcing those people to pay taxes for which they disagree is a violation of their freedom.
And if you disagree with me, you hate liberty and freedom.
jreeves
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That's right. The allocation of tax revenue by the government isn't an outcome of a political process and a compromise between competing interests within a society, its the suppression of liberty!
Ergo, all military spending should be funded by voluntary taxes, because a very significant percentage of the population is against foreign wars, and forcing those people to pay taxes for which they disagree is a violation of their freedom.
And if you disagree with me, you hate liberty and freedom.
Waiting for those extra taxes......LOL
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for those of you who think that simply because one earns more than another they should pay a higher percentage in taxes.
let's say this statement is valid for illustrative purposes.
If one should pay a higher percentage for goods and services just because they make X dollars per year why don't we implement this everywhere?
We can all walk around with laminated copies of our W2s and before we purchase anything we have to present our proof of income.
if 3 guys want to buy the exact same DVD player, they can all show their proof of income and they can be charged accordingly. the richest can pay more simply because he can afford it and the poorest can pay less because he should receive an entitlement because he is the poorest of the three.
that makes sense right????
let's say this statement is valid for illustrative purposes.
If one should pay a higher percentage for goods and services just because they make X dollars per year why don't we implement this everywhere?
We can all walk around with laminated copies of our W2s and before we purchase anything we have to present our proof of income.
if 3 guys want to buy the exact same DVD player, they can all show their proof of income and they can be charged accordingly. the richest can pay more simply because he can afford it and the poorest can pay less because he should receive an entitlement because he is the poorest of the three.
that makes sense right????
for those of you who think that simply because one earns more than another they should pay a higher percentage in taxes.
let's say this statement is valid for illustrative purposes.
If one should pay a higher percentage for goods and services just because they make X dollars per year why don't we implement this everywhere?
We can all walk around with laminated copies of our W2s and before we purchase anything we have to present our proof of income.
Because it is generally too bureaucratic.
However, in some countries, you pay more for fines if you make more.
Waiting for those extra taxes......LOL
... for you to pay more for the military so the peaceniks don't have to!
I think the top 50% wage earners would pay a military tax...if we got exempted from the 680 billion in social spending..agreed
What's this we business?
Since upper income earners are leaning Democrat, you certainly aren't speaking for 120 million Americans.
Obama4Pres08
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Not sure I understand the logic of these sort of posts? Why would anyone spend time defending the rich or arguing about whether they pay enough taxes? Are you rich and feel you want to keep more?
The rich must laugh at this sort of stuff, if you have millions there is not much need to worry about taxes at all. Does the poster know lots of rich people who are suffering under this great burden? I know many and I gotta say they ain't suffering. And if your income is several million or even a measly million 10% of that is a great deal more than 10% of 30K, so yes, they pay more and a higher percentage - SO WHAT!
"If you believe the conservative rhetoric on economics, this combination of high taxes, a large public sector, and lavish welfare benefits ought to be killing the Danish economy. But it's not. In fact, Denmark's economy has thrived. And nowhere is that more apparent than in the job market. By the time Rasmussen left office in 2001, the unemployment rate had fallen from a 1994 peak of 9.6 percent to 4.3 percent; in 2002, it fell below the U.S. rate, where it has remained ever since. For the most recent quarter of 2006, Denmark's standardized unemployment rate was 3.6 percent, compared with 4.7 percent in the United States. Moreover, while Europe has a reputation for fostering cadres of idle youth (a reputation that, in countries like France, has at least some basis in reality), in Denmark, a mere 3 percent of its 15- to 19-year-olds are neither in school nor working--the second-best rate in the developed world. (Tiny Luxembourg is first.) In the United States, by comparison, the figure is about 7 percent.
Another important measure of overall economic health is GDP per capita, which in effect approximates the wealth generated per person per year. Here, the United States remains near the top of the developed world, at $39,732. Denmark, though also in the top fifth of the oecd, is at just $31,932. It's a significant difference, but one that reflects, in part, the fact that Americans simply work more hours, don't get as much vacation, and can't take such generous pregnancy or sick leaves. GDP per capita is also an average, pulled up by the extraordinary wealth of America's elite. Once you consider the distribution of income and material goods, it becomes apparent that typical citizens in Denmark are doing as well as--and quite possibly better than--their American counterparts."
"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well."
what a great post.... all the poor republicans here defending the rich should read this!
jreeves
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Not sure I understand the logic of these sort of posts? Why would anyone spend time defending the rich or arguing about whether they pay enough taxes? Are you rich and feel you want to keep more?
The rich must laugh at this sort of stuff, if you have millions there is not much need to worry about taxes at all. Does the poster know lots of rich people who are suffering under this great burden? I know many and I gotta say they ain't suffering. And if your income is several million or even a measly million 10% of that is a great deal more than 10% of 30K, so yes, they pay more and a higher percentage - SO WHAT!
"If you believe the conservative rhetoric on economics, this combination of high taxes, a large public sector, and lavish welfare benefits ought to be killing the Danish economy. But it's not. In fact, Denmark's economy has thrived. And nowhere is that more apparent than in the job market. By the time Rasmussen left office in 2001, the unemployment rate had fallen from a 1994 peak of 9.6 percent to 4.3 percent; in 2002, it fell below the U.S. rate, where it has remained ever since. For the most recent quarter of 2006, Denmark's standardized unemployment rate was 3.6 percent, compared with 4.7 percent in the United States. Moreover, while Europe has a reputation for fostering cadres of idle youth (a reputation that, in countries like France, has at least some basis in reality), in Denmark, a mere 3 percent of its 15- to 19-year-olds are neither in school nor working--the second-best rate in the developed world. (Tiny Luxembourg is first.) In the United States, by comparison, the figure is about 7 percent.
Another important measure of overall economic health is GDP per capita, which in effect approximates the wealth generated per person per year. Here, the United States remains near the top of the developed world, at $39,732. Denmark, though also in the top fifth of the oecd, is at just $31,932. It's a significant difference, but one that reflects, in part, the fact that Americans simply work more hours, don't get as much vacation, and can't take such generous pregnancy or sick leaves. GDP per capita is also an average, pulled up by the extraordinary wealth of America's elite. Once you consider the distribution of income and material goods, it becomes apparent that typical citizens in Denmark are doing as well as--and quite possibly better than--their American counterparts."
"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well."
what a great post.... all the poor republicans here defending the rich should read this!
And you must read the posts you like....LOL
Exit polling as evidence that's compelling, we all know how reliable that was in the 2000 election right......Gore wins, no wait Bush wins, Gore....uh I think will wait a little bit longer before declaring a winner. LOL
Its not exit polling.
If you read the fine print on the graph that you posted it says based on exit polling.....
The fine print from the elections, not from the poll conducted by the Wall Street Journal. You know, the newspaper for the well-to-do.
jreeves
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The fine print from the elections, not from the poll conducted by the Wall Street Journal. You know, the newspaper for the well-to-do.
Sorry I didn't see anything in your post about the WSJ poll that your claiming, its all based on exit polling. Am I missing something?
Sorry I didn't see anything in your post about the WSJ poll that your claiming, its all based on exit polling. Am I missing something?
The poll was done by the Wall Street Journal.
This is the link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119518268221495363.html?mod=todays_us_page_one
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