pbel
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Funny, I keep telling Toast that the dynamics of the ME are in flux as Nation states continue to develop breaking down the artificial borders created by the Western Powers until they get strong enough to deal with Israel and posted this in response to Jroc, in response 24 of the thread yesterday, today it is reported that Israeli Defense minister Ya'alon said almost exactly my words:
First report: Terrorists Open Fire on Israelis Along Egyptian Border
"Of course they are, they are moving from Tribalism into the 21 century and changing the borders created by Western Imperialism into proper nation states as Europe and Christianity did...When the dust clears, their Economies and wealth will modernize like the West along with their military power..."
Israel s Defense Minister Mideast Borders Absolutely Will Change Parallels NPR
Israel's Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon is known for his blunt manner, and in an interview with NPR, he says that a future map of the Middle East will look very different that the one that exists today.
The borders of many Arab states were drawn up by Westerners a century ago and wars in recent years show that a number of them are doomed to break apart, according to Ya'alon, a career soldier who became Israel's defense minister last year.
"We have to distinguish between countries like Egypt, with their history. Egypt will stay Egypt," Ya'alon, who is on a visit to Washington, tells Morning Edition's Steve Inskeep.
In contrast, Ya'alon says, "Libya was a new creation, a Western creation as a result of World War I. Syria, Iraq, the same — artificial nation-states — and what we see now is a collapse of this Western idea."
Asked if Middle Eastern borders are likely to change in the coming years, Ya'alon says: "Yes, absolutely. It has been changed already. Can you unify Syria? [President] Bashar al-Assad is controlling only 25 percent of the Syrian territory. We have to deal with it."
On another key question facing the region, Ya'alon says he is deeply skeptical of a proposed deal between the international community and Iran on its nuclear program. He says that even if an agreement is reached, he thinks Iran is likely to break it.
"No deal is better than a bad deal," Ya'alon says.
First report: Terrorists Open Fire on Israelis Along Egyptian Border
"Of course they are, they are moving from Tribalism into the 21 century and changing the borders created by Western Imperialism into proper nation states as Europe and Christianity did...When the dust clears, their Economies and wealth will modernize like the West along with their military power..."
Israel s Defense Minister Mideast Borders Absolutely Will Change Parallels NPR
Israel's Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon is known for his blunt manner, and in an interview with NPR, he says that a future map of the Middle East will look very different that the one that exists today.
The borders of many Arab states were drawn up by Westerners a century ago and wars in recent years show that a number of them are doomed to break apart, according to Ya'alon, a career soldier who became Israel's defense minister last year.
"We have to distinguish between countries like Egypt, with their history. Egypt will stay Egypt," Ya'alon, who is on a visit to Washington, tells Morning Edition's Steve Inskeep.
In contrast, Ya'alon says, "Libya was a new creation, a Western creation as a result of World War I. Syria, Iraq, the same — artificial nation-states — and what we see now is a collapse of this Western idea."
Asked if Middle Eastern borders are likely to change in the coming years, Ya'alon says: "Yes, absolutely. It has been changed already. Can you unify Syria? [President] Bashar al-Assad is controlling only 25 percent of the Syrian territory. We have to deal with it."
On another key question facing the region, Ya'alon says he is deeply skeptical of a proposed deal between the international community and Iran on its nuclear program. He says that even if an agreement is reached, he thinks Iran is likely to break it.
"No deal is better than a bad deal," Ya'alon says.
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