Epsilon Delta
Jedi Master
I disagree with your post 52nd, and I will present evidence.
Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Kidd:
Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Kidd:
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I'm very inclined to think that there are vastly superior cultures, depending on how you define superior or inferior.
But let's assume that we define superior culture as that which provides the best qaulity of life to the most people.
That means that every epoch's superior culture has changed and changed and changed again in the last 6,000 years or so.
Fate has a way of making what was once the superior culture the inferior one over time. Sometime the change comes from environmental catastophies, sometimes climatic changes occur, sometimes the cultures greatest strength is also turns out to be its long term weakness, too.
Islam, arguable was once a far superior culture to Chistendom's, say roguhtly in the 10th-13th century. Thiers was the vast unified culture of arts and science, math and astronomy back them while the west was basically not much better than warlordism fragmented into petty fiefdoms
China's was clearly the superior culture to anyone's if we apply the most material goods to the most people yardstick. But they so isolated themsevles from the world that they calcified their society into something that, when confronted by a aggressive West, basically fell apart for a century or so.
For those of you for whom these sorts of questions are of interest, let me suggest the following book for your amusment:
William McNeil's Rise of the West.
A wonderful exploration of why, in the last five centuries, the WEST has come to dominate so much of the earth.
I do not believe that the dominance of the Western culture was entirely written in our genetic code, but one of the more interesting things that helped us to win this hemisphere us was White Man's ability to stave off diseases that many other cultures (most notably the AmerIndians) could not.
Upon such seemingly minor things as one people's ability to survive measels and chickenpox, does history often take dramatic swings.
We seem to be living in one world now, and one where such cultural differences might not make such a difference as they once clearly did.
As we become increasingly homogenized technically, and as there really are no isolated cultures like there was until about the 19th century, I think that basically mankind is rapidly approaching that time where we all share essantially the same fate.
I am a member of Species 8472. Humans are pathetic creatures compared to us.
Perfect? Are you kidding me? You think Europe had anything on EGYPT?
And give me a break, dude.. It's not white dudes running around africa teaching blacks how to enslave each other. You do realize that black people DID sell other black people TO white people, right?
As to colonialism and conquistadors, these things don't insinuate that Africa would be a fucking metropolis were it not for white people. Whites also dominated the shit out of South America too. Tell me where is the Rio of Africa? Mexico City of Africa?
oh, you mean like sickle cell anemia?
With regards to slavery as a profitable entrepreneurial endeavor? Yes.
You are simply wrong. Go find out how long Egypt had used slaves versus how long whites were using them in europe. You'll see a few thousand years of a difference.
Certainly. And I'll be the first to admit that slavery and brutality existed in Africa before the Europeans made their mark. But who created the mass market for slaves that made it an industry?
uh, those who wanted to take slaves? You do realize that white people ALSO didn't show africans anything new when it came to taking slaves, right? If white people took advantage of an embedded process in African culture it's still not white peoples' fault that slavery was a tribal FACT.
There were no malls in Hawaii at the time, either. Doesn't mean the people there weren't happy, healthy and thoughtful. Besides, Rio and Mexico City, like the USA, were built by Europeans.
so again, show me the [any major city] in Africa that YOU would move to today. Right now. If you were being pushed onto a plane tell me the ONE African location where you think you could enjoy a comparable lifestyle. Malls in Hawaii? Are you kidding me? How many tribes in Africa sound happy, healthy and thoughtful in the last thousand years, dude? HAPPY to sell white people HEALTHY slaves instead of being THOUGHTFUL about their actions is more like it. REGARDLESS of how many malls you think differentiates Suburban St Louis from anywhere in Africa.
'Technology' does not equate to 'Civilization'... This is my thesis.
uh, riiight. dont use toilet papere tonight after the chilli cookoff and tell me about how technology does not indicate civilization. You may have some wierd blue lagoon fantasy about human nature but it's a pretty far stretch to pretend that africa would be some kind of bastion of civilization were it not for white people buying slaves from black people.
With regards to slavery as a profitable entrepreneurial endeavor? Yes.
You are simply wrong. Go find out how long Egypt had used slaves versus how long whites were using them in europe. You'll see a few thousand years of a difference.
Africans usually if not all the time to war captives and used them as labour sometimes[but most were used as mercenary soldiers in the military], but again, this type of "slavery" was in no way comparable to Euro-American chattel slavery. Slaves in Africa could raise up their families, own property, etc and were never considered as subhuman and racially inferior.uh, those who wanted to take slaves? You do realize that white people ALSO didn't show africans anything new when it came to taking slaves, right? If white people took advantage of an embedded process in African culture it's still not white peoples' fault that slavery was a tribal FACT.
so again, show me the [any major city] in Africa that YOU would move to today. Right now. If you were being pushed onto a plane tell me the ONE African location where you think you could enjoy a comparable lifestyle. Malls in Hawaii? Are you kidding me? How many tribes in Africa sound happy, healthy and thoughtful in the last thousand years, dude? HAPPY to sell white people HEALTHY slaves instead of being THOUGHTFUL about their actions is more like it. REGARDLESS of how many malls you think differentiates Suburban St Louis from anywhere in Africa.
There's no evidence that Egypt used slaves, none. None of the slave systems used in Africa are in any way comparable o the chattel slavery in America used by whites, a system that didn't even consider blacks to be human.
Africans usually if not all the time to war captives and used them as labour sometimes[but most were used as mercenary soldiers in the military], but again, this type of "slavery" was in no way comparable to Euro-American chattel slavery. Slaves in Africa could raise up their families, own property, etc and were never considered as subhuman and racially inferior.
Africa was full of thriving cities and wealth *BEFORE* Europeans stepped in, took over and raided and exploited the Africans of their resources and wealth. Its no coincidence that Europe is more developed than African today because Europeans had to underdevelop Africa in order to be as advanced as it is now. European colonialism wrecked havoc on Africa because the Europeans expolited Africa to enrich Europe and did little to develop any infrastructure and anything for the Africans. You don't want to debate this point with me because you will get shut down, totally.
Here's some food for thought for that retarded fake liberal called Shogun:
YouTube - How the IMF underdevelops Africa (1/6)
And you wonder why Mugabe doesn't want whites running his country. Guess who controls the IMF Shogun? Now you know why Africa today is underdeveloped and guess who's really reaping the benefits of Africa#s vast resources? Europeans and the corrupt dictators they prop up in Africa to kep the money flowing.
yea, Mugabe sure is a fucking icon of humanity!
No, Africa today is underdeveloped because you are too busy blaming a white devil when you SHOULD be investing in your own culture. Indeed, it really is Euros that keep negro tribes at war with each other, isnt it?
yea, Mugabe sure is a fucking icon of humanity!
No, Africa today is underdeveloped because you are too busy blaming a white devil when you SHOULD be investing in your own culture. Indeed, it really is Euros that keep negro tribes at war with each other, isnt it?
here, EGYPTIAN slave beatings.. who knew that evidence would trump your fixation of skin color!
This is a strawman, the point is that Mugabe doesn't want neocolonialist whites in his country because of the obvious. You see the example with the IMF, these neocolonialist whites reap the benefits of Africa's vast resources while the population within the country remains poor. Part of the IMF's conditions is structural re-adjustment which means the country that wants a loan has to invest little in their country to pack back their loan to the IMF, while simultaneously that same country has to import goods which means they're losing even more money and no money is going into the development of the said country. This is the same crap coloinialist Europeans did when they were in Africa.
strawman you but wipe and don't try to bait the Bass, that isn't going to work. You saw the youtube video and see exactly what goes on.
Much better source on Egypt:
Ancient Egypt: Slavery, its causes and practice
It wasn't anything comparable to what happened in America.
Hey, if you want to be a racist like Mugabe then so be it. Hell, all you do is give the William Joyce types a reason to claim white authority in THIS continent. I digress, feel free to blame who you want. The FACT remains that Africa is a complete FAIL. Mugabe is a complete FAIL. hell, it's not like this would be your first foray down dumbfuck street.