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Well considering most all conservatives are christians, the bible says God is THE SAME NOW AND FOREVER... I am all open for change. But just becasue I couldn't go around killing people in the past doesn't mean I can do it now if a few people think its ok and it's the changing trend. I will except change that is morally right in the boundries of what is not "chaotic" and "out of control blasphemy" And I am sure I speak for all christians and conservatives.
Perhaps they're sick of us telling them who we sleep with, and shoving it in their faces, and making a big deal out of it: romance movies and novels, tv shows, books, magazines, billboards, ads of any type, walking down the street holding hands, etc. etc. Did you ever stop to see it from their point of view, Zoom? Everywhere a homosexual looks or goes, there are men and women together. Most movies, most books, most everything. They've been oppressed for millenia. This is what happens. After so many centuries of suppression, repression, oppression with the potential of death and torture for being who they are and there is no choice about it, they are now exploding out.
Why don't you just shut up and live your life? Why does it have to be them? Because you're right and they're wrong?
Most of the stuff you listed doesn't take place over in Iran. maybe they should live there and life would be better and they wouldn't have to endure all of that 'heterosexual/normal' stuff on display everywhere like it is here?
Gay thread, enter Mr. Mountain Man, right on cue. Lots of hot air up in them mountains thanks to him.
I post a response, enter Newby, right on cue. Lots of hot air in that head, thanks to empty space.
Most of the stuff you listed doesn't take place over in Iran. maybe they should live there and life would be better and they wouldn't have to endure all of that 'heterosexual/normal' stuff on display everywhere like it is here?
Wow, you've totally convinced me. You must be a master debater. And an open, accepting, and compassionate person as well. I wish we were friends in real life just because of how much I admire you!
What I don't understand is . . . . we're supposed to accept the gay lifestyle regardless . . . but they do not have to accept that there are people who disagree with their lifestyle. They MUST be accepted and push this every instance they can.
I don't care who you (collective you) sleep with, stop telling me who you sleep with, stop shoving it in my face, and stop making a big deal about it. Just shut up and live your life.
You don't have to accept them. You just have to accept that they want equal rights. Just like racists don't have to accept black people, but they DO have to accept that black people have equal rights.
Perhaps they're sick of us telling them who we sleep with, and shoving it in their faces, and making a big deal out of it: romance movies and novels, tv shows, books, magazines, billboards, ads of any type, walking down the street holding hands, etc. etc. Did you ever stop to see it from their point of view, Zoom? Everywhere a homosexual looks or goes, there are men and women together. Most movies, most books, most everything. They've been oppressed for millenia. This is what happens. After so many centuries of suppression, repression, oppression with the potential of death and torture for being who they are and there is no choice about it, they are now exploding out.
Why don't you just shut up and live your life? Why does it have to be them? Because you're right and they're wrong?
Accept in this instance, a beauty contest, they're SUPPOSED TO BE IMPARTIAL. So much for that aye... in your world impartiality just shoots the hell otta free speech with BIGOTRY... real nice ass wad.You have free speech. Just as your employer has the right to fire your ass if they don't like that speech. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want with no consequences, it guarantees the right of no government sponsored consequences.
Prejean has her beliefs, and her boss doesn't like them. She needs to take personal responsibility for her own actions.
Feedom of speech is just becoming an illusion. Less God and rights, more fags, abortion, and prosicution of the true americans that still believe in what this country was founded on... All these people want is everything for nothing. Blind to the fact of how chaotic their vision of the world is. It's rediculous...
Religious discrimination is the issue here. Her belief system involves the belief and dedication to the sanctity of marriage which to billions of Christians in the world is a religious sacrament. This is blatant religious discrimination the disclosure of which was solicited by a judge on the pageant panel. What's more, if she had been a lesbian and said that she believes in same sex marriages, and she got fired, would you argue the same point, on a religious standpoint or simply qualify her statement as her choice and civil right? How would you defending her?
You're right; this works both ways, WHEN it comes to the Freedom of Speech. However, if you are speaking of Freedom of Religion and not Freedom of Speech, that also works both ways and not in the way in which you'd like. My religious beliefs are that anyone can marry anyone and to prevent that happening goes against my religious beliefs. So, now whose religion gets the law? Yours? That we stop people from marrying eachother just because it doesn't fall in with your religious beliefs (although it doesn't directly affect you), or mine: let's not have laws stopping people from marrying eachother at all?
If she were a lesbian, and said she supported same-sex marriages and was kicked off the pageant, I would've though: "Duh! Whattaya expect from beauty pageant judges?" I have been surprised that the judges didn't fit my preconceived notion.
The gay judge went on his blog and said that she was fired because she was a stupid bitch among other things,
Well, that's a matter of opinion. I also think she's an idiot and a stuck in the mud traditionalist in denial of the most fundamental truth of the Universe: change. And since he was a judge, his opinion really counts in this matter.
Who cares about Hannity? That sounds like bullshit to me.
It wasn't to further the Gay Agenda. This is how people who regard homosexuality as dangerous or subversive or unhealthy for society perceive it. He just didn't like her and being a judge, he had the right to "fire" her ass. Even if it is because she opposes gay marriage. Not every homosexual is furthering the mythical "gay agenda". All they want is acceptance, and is that so wrong?
Exactly.
Apples and oranges. She is a beauty pageant contestant, not a world leader.
If anything, I applaud her sense of conviction in terms of such a controversial/unpopular subject. She started with diplomacy and ended with complete honesty. Had she been a lesbian who endorsed same sex marriages, and was fired, it would have caused massive protests nationwide.
That is because homosexuals are oppressed in this country unlike the Moral Majority. I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just explaining why. I'm not saying that its wrong either.
Homosexuality represents one percent of the population in this country and far less than that agree with same sex marriages. That includes the majority in California no doubt. So essentially, on a broader perspective, she is correctly representing the majority in this country and in her state.
Those are assumptions and inaccurate ones at that.
You have an obvious bias against homosexuality as much as you attempted to be open to it. I applaud your attempt and admire that you somewhat succeeded. However, I would guess that you probably haven't been exposed to many homosexuals.
There are many more homosexuals percentage-wise than you assume above. 10% is the current consensus. 30% for bi-sexuality. I don't know just how accurate those figures are (nobody does), but that's the current consensus among mental health, social work professionals, and cultural anthropologists. I think that if you base your opinion about how many people in this country support or oppose same-sex marriages solely on California's voting records, you could support your opinion. I don't think it reflects what most people (including those who didn't vote) think. That also doesn't make it right. Its called mob rule. The Founding Fathers set up the Constitution and the system of government to try to avoid that happening, and its mostly worked unless you consider Suffrage, Civil Rights, etc. where the voting majority didn't want to extend equal rights to the disenfranchised or the oppressed.
Homosexuality isn't generally a chosen life-style. If you aren't gay, or bi-sexual, then you're straight and if you're straight and in a sexual relationship with someone of the same-sex, you aren't happy. Period. Does that mean that people never do that? No. But the vast majority of homosexuals are gay, not straight people choosing to be in a homosexual relationship. If your children are straight, then they are straight and there is a .001% chance they'll engage in a homosexual relationship. What if your children are gay, so what? It happens and there isn't anything wrong with it because it doesn't hurt anybody.
If they teach that homosexuality is ok in school, its like teaching that black people were equal in school 50 years ago. I don't think anyone is telling your children that they SHOULD be homosexuals.
Maybe not in all, but in this matter you are conservative. You resist change and social progress. It doesn't fit in with your world view, but its inevitable. Best broaden your perspective and get with the times, cause "Times, they are a changin'."
Accept in this instance, a beauty contest, they're SUPPOSED TO BE IMPARTIAL. So much for that aye... in your world impartiality just shoots the hell otta free speech with BIGOTRY... real nice ass wad.
Feedom of speech is just becoming an illusion. Less God and rights, more fags, abortion, and prosicution of the true americans that still believe in what this country was founded on... All these people want is everything for nothing. Blind to the fact of how chaotic their vision of the world is. It's rediculous...
This country was founded in an attempt to escape religious totalitarianism, so GOD really shouldn't even be in the discussion.
Accept in this instance, a beauty contest, they're SUPPOSED TO BE IMPARTIAL. So much for that aye... in your world impartiality just shoots the hell otta free speech with BIGOTRY... real nice ass wad.You have free speech. Just as your employer has the right to fire your ass if they don't like that speech. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want with no consequences, it guarantees the right of no government sponsored consequences.
Prejean has her beliefs, and her boss doesn't like them. She needs to take personal responsibility for her own actions.
Religious discrimination is the issue here. Her belief system involves the belief and dedication to the sanctity of marriage which to billions of Christians in the world is a religious sacrament. This is blatant religious discrimination the disclosure of which was solicited by a judge on the pageant panel. What's more, if she had been a lesbian and said that she believes in same sex marriages, and she got fired, would you argue the same point, on a religious standpoint or simply qualify her statement as her choice and civil right? How would you defending her?
The gay judge went on his blog and said that she was fired because she was a stupid bitch among other things, and Wayne Besen on the Hannity interview said that she was being politically incorrect in her response because she was a spokesperson for the pageant and not her own belief system. If that was a condition of qualifying, that she was to believe if not endorse same sex marriages to compete, then certainly she should have been notified. She was asked the question by a judge. Obviously it was part of his personal agenda considering her later firing. It was deliberate, and another opportunity to further the Gay Agenda. When the boyscouts were challenged regarding such policies at the onset of a scout troop leader coming out of the closet and disclosing his sexuality, the organization was asserted the constitutional right to make policies as they see fit. And rightfully so.
Also, Donald Trump backed her up completely, initially, and was later bombarded with strife from the Gay Community. If the perception here is that she is to represent the United States then how it that any different from a President representing a country who does not believe in same sex marriages? Must we now relegate the moral integrity of presidents as well? There is no diferent in terms of how public figures represent themselves.
If anything, I applaud her sense of conviction in terms of such a controversial/unpopular subject. She started with diplomacy and ended with complete honesty. Had she been a lesbian who endorsed same sex marriages, and was fired, it would have caused massive protests nationwide.
Homosexuality represents one percent of the population in this country and far less than that agree with same sex marriages. That includes the majority in California no doubt. So essentially, on a broader perspective, she is correctly representing the majority in this country and in her state.
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Don't know if that number is accurate but homosexuals are the minority in this country. So, why all the cow-towing to them? Because that's what this country has become, a country that favors the minority and the majority be damned.
Well said.... Although, unfortunatly, you could talk this blue in the fase and none of them will listen... I guess they are stupid and DEAF....
This doesn't just pertain to gays, it pertains to the way this country treats the majority vs. the minority.
Oh I didn't just mean gays... I'm talking everyone that don't want to conform to what this country was founded on and what it took to get freedom in the first place. Just a bunch of chaotic morons running around puking thoughts out of their ass they call a face.
You're full of shit and can't back any of that up.Accept in this instance, a beauty contest, they're SUPPOSED TO BE IMPARTIAL. So much for that aye... in your world impartiality just shoots the hell otta free speech with BIGOTRY... real nice ass wad.You have free speech. Just as your employer has the right to fire your ass if they don't like that speech. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want with no consequences, it guarantees the right of no government sponsored consequences.
Prejean has her beliefs, and her boss doesn't like them. She needs to take personal responsibility for her own actions.
Who is supposed to be impartial? And beauty contests come with rules, one of which is not making unapproved appearances. She did. So, she got fired. Personal responsibility.
Perhaps they're sick of us telling them who we sleep with, and shoving it in their faces, and making a big deal out of it: romance movies and novels, tv shows, books, magazines, billboards, ads of any type, walking down the street holding hands, etc. etc. Did you ever stop to see it from their point of view, Zoom? Everywhere a homosexual looks or goes, there are men and women together. Most movies, most books, most everything. They've been oppressed for millenia. This is what happens. After so many centuries of suppression, repression, oppression with the potential of death and torture for being who they are and there is no choice about it, they are now exploding out.
Why don't you just shut up and live your life? Why does it have to be them? Because you're right and they're wrong?
Most of the stuff you listed doesn't take place over in Iran. maybe they should live there and life would be better and they wouldn't have to endure all of that 'heterosexual/normal' stuff on display everywhere like it is here?
What I don't understand is . . . . we're supposed to accept the gay lifestyle regardless . . . but they do not have to accept that there are people who disagree with their lifestyle. They MUST be accepted and push this every instance they can.
I don't care who you (collective you) sleep with, stop telling me who you sleep with, stop shoving it in my face, and stop making a big deal about it. Just shut up and live your life.
You don't have to accept them. You just have to accept that they want equal rights. Just like racists don't have to accept black people, but they DO have to accept that black people have equal rights.
Perhaps they're sick of us telling them who we sleep with, and shoving it in their faces, and making a big deal out of it: romance movies and novels, tv shows, books, magazines, billboards, ads of any type, walking down the street holding hands, etc. etc. Did you ever stop to see it from their point of view, Zoom? Everywhere a homosexual looks or goes, there are men and women together. Most movies, most books, most everything. They've been oppressed for millenia. This is what happens. After so many centuries of suppression, repression, oppression with the potential of death and torture for being who they are and there is no choice about it, they are now exploding out.
Why don't you just shut up and live your life? Why does it have to be them? Because you're right and they're wrong?
That's not quite the issue Cmm... what you're not mentioning is normal behavior as opposed to abnormal, deviant, perverted behavior. What's there to accept about normal? It is after all "normal." But to ask normal people to accept two men jamming each others cock up their asses is enough to make most normal people sick to their stomach in disgust. It's vile, it's perverted, it's sick, and these militant, bigot, fags demonizing anyone and everyone who DARES voice a differing opinion has got to end.
The prior Miss USA ordeal will no doubt shed much light on the BIGOTRY of the homos and their supporters.
You don't have to accept them. You just have to accept that they want equal rights. Just like racists don't have to accept black people, but they DO have to accept that black people have equal rights.
Perhaps they're sick of us telling them who we sleep with, and shoving it in their faces, and making a big deal out of it: romance movies and novels, tv shows, books, magazines, billboards, ads of any type, walking down the street holding hands, etc. etc. Did you ever stop to see it from their point of view, Zoom? Everywhere a homosexual looks or goes, there are men and women together. Most movies, most books, most everything. They've been oppressed for millenia. This is what happens. After so many centuries of suppression, repression, oppression with the potential of death and torture for being who they are and there is no choice about it, they are now exploding out.
Why don't you just shut up and live your life? Why does it have to be them? Because you're right and they're wrong?
That's not quite the issue Cmm... what you're not mentioning is normal behavior as opposed to abnormal, deviant, perverted behavior. What's there to accept about normal? It is after all "normal." But to ask normal people to accept two men jamming each others cock up their asses is enough to make most normal people sick to their stomach in disgust. It's vile, it's perverted, it's sick, and these militant, bigot, fags demonizing anyone and everyone who DARES voice a differing opinion has got to end.
The prior Miss USA ordeal will no doubt shed much light on the BIGOTRY of the homos and their supporters.
That you don't notice your own hypocrisy is astounding.
Well, what I find intriguing about you is that you are the flip side of the coin of that which you denigrate so much, and yet you don't seem to realize it. But, you're so predicatable, I was just waiting for you to respond and you didn't let me down. Same shit, different day.
Religious discrimination is the issue here. Her belief system involves the belief and dedication to the sanctity of marriage which to billions of Christians in the world is a religious sacrament. This is blatant religious discrimination the disclosure of which was solicited by a judge on the pageant panel. What's more, if she had been a lesbian and said that she believes in same sex marriages, and she got fired, would you argue the same point, on a religious standpoint or simply qualify her statement as her choice and civil right? How would you defending her?
You're right; this works both ways, WHEN it comes to the Freedom of Speech. However, if you are speaking of Freedom of Religion and not Freedom of Speech, that also works both ways and not in the way in which you'd like. My religious beliefs are that anyone can marry anyone and to prevent that happening goes against my religious beliefs. So, now whose religion gets the law? Yours? That we stop people from marrying eachother just because it doesn't fall in with your religious beliefs (although it doesn't directly affect you), or mine: let's not have laws stopping people from marrying eachother at all?
If she were a lesbian, and said she supported same-sex marriages and was kicked off the pageant, I would've though: "Duh! Whattaya expect from beauty pageant judges?" I have been surprised that the judges didn't fit my preconceived notion.
Well, that's a matter of opinion. I also think she's an idiot and a stuck in the mud traditionalist in denial of the most fundamental truth of the Universe: change. And since he was a judge, his opinion really counts in this matter.
Who cares about Hannity? That sounds like bullshit to me.
It wasn't to further the Gay Agenda. This is how people who regard homosexuality as dangerous or subversive or unhealthy for society perceive it. He just didn't like her and being a judge, he had the right to "fire" her ass. Even if it is because she opposes gay marriage. Not every homosexual is furthering the mythical "gay agenda". All they want is acceptance, and is that so wrong?
Exactly.
Apples and oranges. She is a beauty pageant contestant, not a world leader.
That is because homosexuals are oppressed in this country unlike the Moral Majority. I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just explaining why. I'm not saying that its wrong either.
Those are assumptions and inaccurate ones at that.
You have an obvious bias against homosexuality as much as you attempted to be open to it. I applaud your attempt and admire that you somewhat succeeded. However, I would guess that you probably haven't been exposed to many homosexuals.
There are many more homosexuals percentage-wise than you assume above. 10% is the current consensus. 30% for bi-sexuality. I don't know just how accurate those figures are (nobody does), but that's the current consensus among mental health, social work professionals, and cultural anthropologists. I think that if you base your opinion about how many people in this country support or oppose same-sex marriages solely on California's voting records, you could support your opinion. I don't think it reflects what most people (including those who didn't vote) think. That also doesn't make it right. Its called mob rule. The Founding Fathers set up the Constitution and the system of government to try to avoid that happening, and its mostly worked unless you consider Suffrage, Civil Rights, etc. where the voting majority didn't want to extend equal rights to the disenfranchised or the oppressed.
Homosexuality isn't generally a chosen life-style. If you aren't gay, or bi-sexual, then you're straight and if you're straight and in a sexual relationship with someone of the same-sex, you aren't happy. Period. Does that mean that people never do that? No. But the vast majority of homosexuals are gay, not straight people choosing to be in a homosexual relationship. If your children are straight, then they are straight and there is a .001% chance they'll engage in a homosexual relationship. What if your children are gay, so what? It happens and there isn't anything wrong with it because it doesn't hurt anybody.
If they teach that homosexuality is ok in school, its like teaching that black people were equal in school 50 years ago. I don't think anyone is telling your children that they SHOULD be homosexuals.
Maybe not in all, but in this matter you are conservative. You resist change and social progress. It doesn't fit in with your world view, but its inevitable. Best broaden your perspective and get with the times, cause "Times, they are a changin'."
Feedom of speech is just becoming an illusion. Less God and rights, more fags, abortion, and prosicution of the true americans that still believe in what this country was founded on... All these people want is everything for nothing. Blind to the fact of how chaotic their vision of the world is. It's rediculous...
This country was founded in an attempt to escape religious totalitarianism, so GOD really shouldn't even be in the discussion.
What? Have you ever said the Plede Of Allegiance? "One Nation Under God"..... or looked at money for that matter... "In God We Trust" WTF are you talking about that God "has no place in the discussion of our country"... We are all christians, just not ruled by a king side by side a church. We have a republic under God. Can't fight facts. We started as a christian based country blessed by God.
Most of the stuff you listed doesn't take place over in Iran. maybe they should live there and life would be better and they wouldn't have to endure all of that 'heterosexual/normal' stuff on display everywhere like it is here?
Wow, you've totally convinced me. You must be a master debater. And an open, accepting, and compassionate person as well. I wish we were friends in real life just because of how much I admire you!
I'm so bummed that you don't appreciate my sarcasm, truly hurt.
Last time I checked, to 'love who you love' wasn't a right.
