The End of Liberalism....

[The T]

1. "…there has been a slow but steady decline of which liberals have been steadfastly oblivious. The heirs of the New Deal are down to around 20% of the electorate, according to recent Gallup polls. Conservatives account for 42% of the vote, and in the recent election the independents, the second most numerous group at 29% of the electorate, broke the conservatives' way. They were alarmed by the deficit.

2. Liberalism's decline might appear, at first glance, to have begun with the 1961 inauguration of President John F. Kennedy—when historians noted the first glimmerings of what was to become liberalism's distinctive trait, overreach. On the domestic side, the oratory set in motion President Lyndon Johnson's catastrophic War on Poverty.

a. JFK's stirring language represented a break with the Burkean understanding of President Dwight Eisenhower. Ike, whether he articulated it or not, wanted to put the Great Depression and the dangerous confrontations of the early Cold War period behind us. He wanted to return to normalcy.

3. Still, in tracing liberalism's decline, one cannot ignore an earlier event: the civil war that broke out in the aftermath of World War II. The conflict pitted what we might call the radicals led by Henry Wallace against the advocates of what Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. would call in his book, "The Vital Center," more practical liberals like Hubert Humphrey, Joseph L. Rauh and Walter Reuther. They were hard-headed and patriotic, and their desiderata were reasonable by comparison with the radicals' utopian ideas about the Soviet Union.

4. The practical liberals won in the late 1940s, but in 1972 civil war broke out anew. This time the radicals won. In the meantime, LBJ's Great Society caused even some liberals to warn against the "unintended consequences" of government programs. These were to be the first new recruits to modern conservatism. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Irving Kristol and, for a time, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, were in Kristol's words liberals "who were mugged by reality."

5. Conservatives have had Edmund Burke and the Founding Fathers as their cynosures. Sometimes they have provided discipline; sometimes conservatives have followed their own star. The problem for liberals is they have been denied a cynosure. Some had looked to the British Fabian Socialists and some to Karl Marx, but since the late 1940s liberals became coy about their intellectual mentors.

6. Conservatism has steadily spread through the country since its larval days in the 1950s, and the reason is that the vast majority of Americans favor free enterprise and personal liberty. Note the tea party movement. The Republicans just took the House of Representatives by over 60 seats and gained six seats in the Senate. The social democrat in the White House has been routed.

7. Over the past two years the Democrats showed their true colors. Faced with an entitlement crisis, they rang up trillion dollar deficits. We now face an entitlement crisis and a budget crisis—and liberals have no answer for it beyond tax and spend. They still have support in the media, but even here they are faced with opposition from Fox News, talk radio and the Internet.

a. As a political movement liberalism is dead. They do not have the numbers. They do not have the policies. They have 23 seats in the Senate to defend in 2012 (against the Republicans' 10) and Republican control of state houses and legislatures will give them even more seats in the future. Liberalism R.I.P. "

R. Emmett Tyrell Jr.: Liberalism—An Autopsy - WSJ.com
(emphasis mine)

gays are out and about everywhere!

they even have their own shows on tv

they are in the military, in business, in politics

they have spousal benefits all over the country and in some places they are allowed to marry....

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women and blacks are on a more equal footing with white men in just about every arena in America; business, politics, religion, the military...


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blacks and whites marry and nobody cares anymore

everyone has sex outside of marriage

lots of successful women have children sans husbands BY CHOICE

divorce is EASY to get

millions of couples live together without bothering to marry

most people are waiting LONGER before getting married

people are re-thinking outrageous and draconian pot laws

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these are ALL issues that riled conservatives 10-20 years ago...

yet
today
cons have become SO LIBERAL that they don't care about most of those issues


the measure of how liberal or conservative a nation is is best judged by how people actually live...

and MOST people are a lot more LIBERAL in their social beliefs today than they were 20-30 years ago

Sex...Sex....Sex....the basis for most liberal great social beliefs.....isn't it time for liberals to finally grow up.....?

So what is the great "measure" of our "socially liberal" nation.......? You think we as a nation have "progressed"....? Many think it has steadily become a pornographic, socially dysfunctional, sick and dying nation....due to liberal beliefs...

Gays....destroying the true meaning of marriage....disintegrating the military.....flaunting perversion and spreading disease....

Womens' equality.....superficially improved but now women in addition to raising a family have to work a full time job alongside their husbands in order for them to support the family....buy a house....the family unit and the children suffer in a multitude of ways....

Racial equality.....superficially improved but even today our own President exhibits racial undertones.......black poverty....black crime....blacks today are still far behind....liberalism hasn't really done them jackshit....

Divorce is easy.....this is an "accomplishment"...?

Millions living together without bothering to get married....this is an "accomplishment"...?

Women having children sans husbands....this is an "accomplishment"...?

People pushing for easy pot laws....this is an "accomplishment".....?

I see most liberal social "accomplishments" a total flop....since for the most part they just undermine family and responsibility...

And the Cult Of Personality that rules them?

 

[sangha]

There is no doubt that republicans are a bunch of sex offenders

Republican Sex Offenders

Alan David Berlin, 40, a longtime staffer for a Republican state lawmaker, was charged on May 29, 2009 with a first degree felony for unlawful contact with a minor. He is also charged with criminal attempted sexual exploitation of children, criminal solicitation to commit sexual abuse of children, all second-degree felonies, and other offenses. authorities say Berlin suggested dressing up in animal costumes during online sex chats with a 15-year-old boy. During a search, agents found wolf- and cat-type costumes in his home.
Republican sex offender & former Regent University law school assistant dean Stephen L. McPherson, who was indicted June 7, 2008 on 13 felony sexual assault charges involving two girls, has entered a guilty plea to two counts of forcible sodomy and two counts of object sexual penetration. He is set to be sentenced May 22. There was no agreement on a potential sentence, except that prosecutors will recommend a cap of 18 years and six months.
Republican sex offender and former North Country assemblyman and current state Parole Board member, George "Chris" Ortloff, 61, was arrested on Monday, Oct. 13, 2008 on federal charges that he used the Internet to solicit sex with minors. He was arrested following a sting operation at a Colonie motel and had allegedly arranged for a date with a minor he met on the Internet. '' The New York Post reports that he had child pornography and sex paraphernalia in his possession when he was arrested. State Police reportedly searched Ortloff'''s home in Plattsburgh and a computer had been seized from his Lake Placid real estate office, officials said. Ortloff, married with two sons, retired from the Assembly in 2006 having represented the 110 th District. '' He was appointed to the part-time position on the Parole Board, a six year term which expires in 2012, a position paying him $102,000 a year.
Republican sex offender & Missouri State Rep. Scott Muschany, (R)-Frontenac, was indicted today, Aug 6, 2008, in connection with a reported sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl on May 17, the day after this year’s Legislative session ended. The alleged victim is the daughter of a state employee. The girl’s mother and Muschany, a married father of 2 children, were romantically involved, the woman said. (Aren't "Family Values" a wonderful thing?) In a morbid twist of irony, Muschany was a co-sponsor of legislation that toughened sex offender laws in 2006. According to his legislative biography, Muschany and his wife were licensed as foster parents with the Division of Family Services.
Republican sex offender & longtime stalwart Republican operative Peter Hong was arrested July 23, 2008 for solicitation of prostitution. Police spokesman Peter Panos said that the arrest came during the first day of a two-day sting operation during which "johns" and prostitutes responded to ads placed on the Internet and in print. Thirty-five people were arrested Wednesday and Thursday, Panos said today.
Republican sex offender & candidate for Mineral County (W.Va.) Commission Wilton Frederick Bland, 30, of Bayberry Place, was arrested March 23, 2007, after police received a complaint concerning a juvenile boy who said Bland had wanted him to appear nude on the Internet. Bland charged last year with 136 counts related to sexually based crimes against children has been sentenced to a possible total of 85 years after pleading guilty in both Grant and Mineral counties. was charged at the time with 73 counts of possession of child pornography, 45 counts of sexual assault in the first degree for allegedly having sex with a child under age 11, nine counts of use of obscene matter with intent to seduce a minor, seven counts of display of obscene matter to a minor and two counts of employing a minor to do sexually explicit conduct, according to the West Virginia State Police.
Republican Delegate Robert McKee, known as an advocate for children's rights, is the focus of a child pornography investigation after officers searched his Hagerstown, Md home. McKee is not facing any charges right now, but as of today, Feb 15, 2008, he has resigned his position as both a state delegate and as executive director of the Big Brothers Big Sisters Club of Washington County. In a statement, McKee said he is entering treatment to, "get well and stay well." Shock waves echoed through Hagerstown, as the news that he was being investigated for child pornography spread like wildfire.
**We will be keeping an eye on this story for further developments** ***UPDATE*** - Robert Mckee entered a guilty plea of possessing child porn on September 6, 2008. He was sentenced to 3 years in prison on November 21, 2008. McKee's journals document that he simultaneously printed images of child pornography from the Internet and printed stories describing sexual acts between young boys and other young boys or adult men. Someone from McKee's home called the Washington County Sheriff's Department to tip off authorities and provided them with printed images from a computer.
Republican sex offender & Department of Children & Families press secretary Al Zimmerman, 40, was arrested Friday, Feb 1, 2008 and charged with eight felony charges of using a child in a sexual performance. According to an arrest report, Zimmerman offered two teens money in exchange for photographing them in sexual acts. The victims were ages 16 and 17 at the time of the crime, and at least one may have been in the care of DCF at one point, according to the report. Authorities believe some of the images date back to December 2005, the arrest report showed. Zimmerman is suspected of taking photos as recently as Friday, the report showed.
The Republican Mayor, who is also the Pastor of the Temple Lot Church in Collins Missouri, a town in St. Clair County, is accused of trying to convince someone whom he thought was a teenage girl to meet him for sex. Diamond police say Allen D Kauffman is charged in Newton County with four counts of enticement of a child after an online investigation that began in mid-November.
Diamond Police Detective Jim Murray says he posed as a 13-year-old girl named Cindy and was approached by a man who used the screen name duke dukeadk on Nov. 15 about noon in an online chat room.
Murray says Kauffman discussed meeting her to take nude photos and to have sex. Over the course of seven conversations during the past two months, transcripts show each chat was sexually graphic. Murray say Kauffman recognized the girl’s age, and even showed some hesitation, teasing the girl about whether she could be a cop.
Police say Kauffman repeatedly asked the girl to use a webcam, and didn't wait long to use his. The detective saved some photos from a webcam on Kauffman's computer in his home in Collins.
Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman, 37, of Allouez, Wisconsin was charged last month with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child for allegedly fondling a 16-year-old Ethan House runaway and providing the boy with beer and marijuana late last year.
Republican U.S. Justice Department official John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a 5 year old child. An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police. In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that "you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents." The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, " I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice." The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, "Just gotta go slow and very easy. I've done it plenty," according to detectives.
**UPDATE: John Atchison has killed himself. Detroit police confirmed Atchison's suicide death at 10:14 a.m. Friday, Oct. 5, 2007. Good riddance, scumbag!
Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.
Republican Homeland Security deputy press secretary Brian J. Doyle , 55, was arrested Tuesday night, April 4, 2006 and charged with trying to "seduce'' a 14-year-old Polk County girl with graphic talk over the Internet. On March 12, Doyle contacted a 14-year-old girl whose profile was posted on an AOL Web site, according to the Sheriff's Office release. Initially, detectives thought Doyle was posing as someone working for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. But they soon learned otherwise when he sent a picture to the girl over the Internet wearing an official ``DHS tag'', Judd said.
The former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, Michael Flory, admitted Tuesday that he sexually abused a colleague during a national convention in Cleveland last summer
Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.
Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.
Republican Township Supervisor Robert Holland stepped down amid accusations that he sexually assaulted a 92-year-old nursing home resident in 2006. Holland, a 77-year-old Republican, pleaded guilty to aggravated indecent assault and related charges and is now serving a two- to four-year prison sentence in Bucks County.
Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.
Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.
Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It needs to be phased out, once those who were promised it and depend on it are gone.

You didn't answer my question. Is Social Security Constitutional or not?

Revere is too scared to answer your question

Ya' gotta figure....he's an ill-educated/half-assed Leviniac.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQAjQZjYuPE[/ame]​

 

[sangha]

And that's not the whole list

Here's some more

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her 2 children by strapping them in their car seats and plunging them into a lake in South Carolina and blamed it on a black man. Beverly Russell admitted abusing Smith when she was 15 and continuing an incestuous relationship with her until shortly before she drowned her children in John D. Long Lake.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.

 

[sangha]

Gays....destroying the true meaning of marriage

We must protect the sanctity of Michael Jacksons' marriage to Elvis' daughter!!!!

 

[Revere]

You didn't answer my question. Is Social Security Constitutional or not?

Revere is too scared to answer your question

Ya' gotta figure....he's an ill-educated/half-assed Leviniac.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQAjQZjYuPE[/ame]​

I answered it. Pay attention.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It's not Constitutional. It needs to be shoved off a cliff as soon as people who were promised it are no longer in need of it.

Actually it was ruled constitutional in the 1930's, so what you know in the category of 'what I'm talking about' is a big fat zero.

lolol

After FDR stacked the court.

More Absolutes.

No facts.

No surprise.

​

 

[geauxtohell]

Sex...Sex....Sex....the basis for most liberal "great" social beliefs.....isn't it time for liberals to finally grow up.....?

Conversely: why are conservatives so repressed when it comes to sexuality?

I don't really think conservatives are repressed when it comes to sexuality, but hey; since we are making juvenile posts........

 

[sangha]

Sex...Sex....Sex....the basis for most liberal "great" social beliefs.....isn't it time for liberals to finally grow up.....?

Conversely: why are conservatives so repressed when it comes to sexuality?

I don't really think conservatives are repressed when it comes to sexuality, but hey; since we are making juvenile posts........

Conservatives arent repressed when it comes to sexuality

They're repressed when it comes to ADULT sexuality. They're cool with kiddie sex

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Little boy says to his dad one day, dad,

I want to grow up and be a rightwinger!

Dad replies,

Son, you can't do both.

LOL!!!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

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I think it would be more realistic to say that America is SOCIALLY liberal but FISCALLY and MILITARILY conservative...

liberalism is no more dead today than conservatism was 2 years ago when conservative republicans were swept out of office

If we had had Conservatives in the Congress when the Authorization of Force was voted upon, we would not be hip deep in two wars.

We would not have run up deficits beyond any recognition of rationality.

We would have balanced the budget and assured the future of the Republic.

Our economy would be the envy of the world.

Other countries would fear the threat of US Military attack.

We would have the option to make choices in almost all endeavors we faced.

But, because we have been governed by Liberals since about 1999, none of these things are true. Our country teeters on the brink of bankruptcy, our military is overstretched, our budget is wrecked, the economy is in the dumper and we have a Marxist in the White House. We're pretty much screwed.

The Liberal spending policies of Bush and Bush on steroids, the Big 0, have brought us to this dilemma.

More Absolutes.

No supporting-facts.

No surprise.

​

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You know you've stung liberals with the truth when they all go apeshit....

 

[The T]

You know you've stung liberals with the truth when they all go apeshit....

And the board is replete with simeon feces.

 

[sangha]

Apeshit with laughter

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Wingnuts who think that TJ was a liberal agree with Terrell when he says TJ was a conservative

No doubt.​

Jefferson was too-much the Renaissance Man (risk-taker/inventor/thinker; like the REST-of-us ARIES

), to be considered a "conservative". ​

Totally went over your head as usual. Is your mommy demanding her computer back yet?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....that's what you meant, when you said......​

Jefferson was no boob, but would be a Conservative in today's parlence.

You take anything, for your short-term-memory issues??????? ​

 

[The T]

No doubt.​

Jefferson was too-much the Renaissance Man (risk-taker/inventor/thinker; like the REST-of-us ARIES

), to be considered a "conservative". ​

Totally went over your head as usual. Is your mommy demanding her computer back yet?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....that's what you meant, when you said......​

Jefferson was no boob, but would be a Conservative in today's parlence.

You take anything, for your short-term-memory issues??????? ​

And there was nothing wrong with what I stated. Now Hush boy. Let the adults speak.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you actually bothered to read the SS Annual Report, you'd see (well, maybe not you, but an intelligent person would) that SS is expected to decline into insolvency in 2014.

Paying benefits will require redeeming funds from the Fake Trust Fund, which is stuffed with IOUs that current and future taxpayers will have to pay off with higher taxes.

The Ponzi Scheme is tumbing down.


Social Security expenditures are expected to exceed tax receipts this year
for the first time since 1983. The projected deficit of $41 billion this year
(excluding interest income) is attributable to the recession and to an
expected $25 billion downward adjustment to 2010 income that corrects
for excess payroll tax revenue credited to the trust funds in earlier years.
This deficit is expected to shrink substantially for 2011 and to return to
small surpluses for years 2012-2014 due to the improving economy. After
2014 deficits are expected to grow rapidly as the baby boom generation’s
retirement causes the number of beneficiaries to grow substantially more
rapidly than the number of covered workers. The annual deficits will be
made up by redeeming trust fund assets in amounts less than interest
earnings through 2024, and then by redeeming trust fund assets until
reserves are exhausted in 2037, at which point tax income would be sufficient
to pay about 75 percent of scheduled benefits through 2084.

Actuarial Publications

You're blaming Social Security for investing its money in US bonds? You're implying that U.S. treasuries aren't a safe investment, and yet, I suspect,

you would rather see S. S. invest in the U.S. stock market.

That's mildly insane.

 

[sangha]

Totally went over your head as usual. Is your mommy demanding her computer back yet?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....that's what you meant, when you said......​

Jefferson was no boob, but would be a Conservative in today's parlence.

You take anything, for your short-term-memory issues??????? ​

And there was nothing wrong with what I stated. Now Hush boy. Let the adults speak.

Tbagged has no argument to make, so he pretends he's an adult

 

[NYcarbineer]

You know you've stung liberals with the truth when they all go apeshit....

And the board is replete with simeon feces.

Oh, I'm sorry. The word we were looking for was 'simian'.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Tbagged has no argument to make, so he pretends he's an adult" The T is an adult? Who knew.