The End of Liberalism....

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I think it would be more realistic to say that America is SOCIALLY liberal but FISCALLY and MILITARILY conservative...

liberalism is no more dead today than conservatism was 2 years ago when conservative republicans were swept out of office


If we had had Conservatives in the Congress when the Authorization of Force was voted upon, we would not be hip deep in two wars.

We would not have run up deficits beyond any recognition of rationality.

We would have balanced the budget and assured the future of the Republic.

Our economy would be the envy of the world.

Other countries would fear the threat of US Military attack.

We would have the option to make choices in almost all endeavors we faced.

But, because we have been governed by Liberals since about 1999, none of these things are true. Our country teeters on the brink of bankruptcy, our military is overstretched, our budget is wrecked, the economy is in the dumper and we have a Marxist in the White House. We're pretty much screwed.

The Liberal spending policies of Bush and Bush on steroids, the Big 0, have brought us to this dilemma.

The Democrats have not spent the way Bush and the Republicans did. Much of what appears to be current Democratic spending is simply paying for the ongoing cost of the Bush/GOP Congress.
 
Speaking of cerebrums, I always love it when you whip out your big brain and act like the rest of us are moronic imbeciles.

It's a hell of a lot more interesting than your usual trick: which is to simply post someone else's OPED.

"...act like the rest of us are moronic imbeciles. "

See, now it's your comprehension problem: it's not 'the rest of us," it's just you.

And Sangha, right?

And then anyone else who happens to disagree with you.

Unless you want to pretend that I am the only person on here you like to play the "I am oh-so-smarter than you" game with.

If wingnuts didn't lie, they'd have nothing to say
 
*rolls eyes* Whatever, neocon. If this is true, you might as well just declare this a corporate oligarchy and pave the entire country over to be a Wal-Mart parking lot. What righty blog did you get this off of, anyway? Ann Coulter. Pfft.

PS. LOVE how you continue to bandy around the whole Marxist/Communist crap. Sheesh. Get some new talky points, why don't you?

Peeps, I was hoping someone would challenge the timeline that Terrell presents....

Can you?

I can

1) There was no civil war in the 1970's. The last one the US had was in the 1860's. He's only off by more than a century

2) The 1950's was not the "larval stage" of conservatism. Conservatism in the US is as old as the US.
Absolutely....as is evidenced by "conservatives'" preference for boredom, anxiety & martyrdom (that they like to share with everyone-else.... :rolleyes: ).​

"Puritan ideals claimed that pleasure was to be had in the afterlife, and that to achieve access to heaven and its wonders, people were not to take any pleasure from their mortal existence."
 
If we had had Conservatives in the Congress when the Authorization of Force was voted upon, we would not be hip deep in two wars.

We would not have run up deficits beyond any recognition of rationality.

We would have balanced the budget and assured the future of the Republic.

Our economy would be the envy of the world.

Other countries would fear the threat of US Military attack.

We would have the option to make choices in almost all endeavors we faced.

But, because we have been governed by Liberals since about 1999, none of these things are true. Our country teeters on the brink of bankruptcy, our military is overstretched, our budget is wrecked, the economy is in the dumper and we have a Marxist in the White House. We're pretty much screwed.

The Liberal spending policies of Bush and Bush on steroids, the Big 0, have brought us to this dilemma.

The Democrats have not spent the way Bush and the Republicans did. Much of what appears to be current Democratic spending is simply paying for the ongoing cost of the Bush/GOP Congress.

The Democrats 'budgets since 2007 are not really the Democrats' budgets?

The Republicans are passing them by remote control? From the dead?
 
The Democrats have not spent the way Bush and the Republicans did. Much of what appears to be current Democratic spending is simply paying for the ongoing cost of the Bush/GOP Congress.

The Democrats 'budgets since 2007 are not really the Democrats' budgets?

The Republicans are passing them by remote control? From the dead?

ALmost every republican in congress since 2007 until bush* left office voted for the budgets with huge deficits. Most of the dems did not.

And bush* signed every one of those budgets. Obviously the dems made him do it :lol:
 
True Liberalism has certainly faded but it's not dead. True Liberalism actually lives on in Libertarians and real Conservatives. Today,most perceived "Liberals" are actually Socialists/Progressives. There is a difference. True Liberals for instance,would fight to the death for rights such as Free Speech and so on. Socialists/Progressives on the other hand,do everything they can to take your rights away. Most people are still confused about what Liberalism and Socialism are. They are not the same thing. So i may have to disagree with you on Liberalism being dead. Believe it or not,it's actually alive and well in Libertarians and real Conservatives. In fact in some ways,true Liberalism may be on the rise. Something to ponder i guess. Great post though. Thanks.

In a way you are right but not completely. Most of us don't want equal wages for all. We want quality jobs and a minimum wage that is a living wage. That way if people have the money they need to survive, no EIC, no food stamps, no welfare, no government assistance meaning less taxes for businesses and rich people meaning they can lower prices because more people buying stuff. Everyone has a job, everyone is happy.

But that makes too much sense to actually happen.
 
True Liberalism has certainly faded but it's not dead. True Liberalism actually lives on in Libertarians and real Conservatives. Today,most perceived "Liberals" are actually Socialists/Progressives. There is a difference. True Liberals for instance,would fight to the death for rights such as Free Speech and so on. Socialists/Progressives on the other hand,do everything they can to take your rights away. Most people are still confused about what Liberalism and Socialism are. They are not the same thing. So i may have to disagree with you on Liberalism being dead. Believe it or not,it's actually alive and well in Libertarians and real Conservatives. In fact in some ways,true Liberalism may be on the rise. Something to ponder i guess. Great post though. Thanks.

In a way you are right but not completely. Most of us don't want equal wages for all. We want quality jobs and a minimum wage that is a living wage. That way if people have the money they need to survive, no EIC, no food stamps, no welfare, no government assistance meaning less taxes for businesses and rich people meaning they can lower prices because more people buying stuff. Everyone has a job, everyone is happy.

But that makes too much sense to actually happen.

What should the guy who mows my neighbor's lawn earn?
 
Im still waiting for her to tell me about the US Civil War that occurred in the 1970's :cuckoo:

The culture wars, man. The culture wars.

If you didn't know about it, it was some sort of war that "decent Americans" waged against the hippies/abortionists/bums.

And the bums lost, Lebowski. Condolences.

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New poll undercuts GOP claims of a midterm mandate | McClatchy

A majority of Americans want the Congress to keep the new health care law or actually expand it, despite Republican claims that they have a mandate from the people to kill it, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

The post-election survey showed that 51 percent of registered voters want to keep the law or change it to do more, while 44 percent want to change it to do less or repeal it altogether.



Registered voters by a margin of 59 percent to 36 percent want to keep the requirement that insurance companies provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

Among supporters, Republicans want to keep that part of the law rather than repeal it by a margin of 51-45. Independents want to keep it by a margin of 59-37. Even 46 percent of conservatives and 48 percent of tea party supporters want to keep it.

Shanghaied gets it wrong again by stating party rather than IDEOLOGY...which this thread is about.

Shang? Get with the program.
Yeah.....everyone's heard o' the Liberalism Party!!
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(Is your state-o'-confusion perpetual?????? :eusa_eh: )​
 
True Liberalism has certainly faded but it's not dead. True Liberalism actually lives on in Libertarians and real Conservatives. Today,most perceived "Liberals" are actually Socialists/Progressives. There is a difference. True Liberals for instance,would fight to the death for rights such as Free Speech and so on. Socialists/Progressives on the other hand,do everything they can to take your rights away. Most people are still confused about what Liberalism and Socialism are. They are not the same thing. So i may have to disagree with you on Liberalism being dead. Believe it or not,it's actually alive and well in Libertarians and real Conservatives. In fact in some ways,true Liberalism may be on the rise. Something to ponder i guess. Great post though. Thanks.

In a way you are right but not completely. Most of us don't want equal wages for all. We want quality jobs and a minimum wage that is a living wage. That way if people have the money they need to survive, no EIC, no food stamps, no welfare, no government assistance meaning less taxes for businesses and rich people meaning they can lower prices because more people buying stuff. Everyone has a job, everyone is happy.

But that makes too much sense to actually happen.

What should the guy who mows my neighbor's lawn earn?

Wingnut is too cheap to pay someone to cut his lawn at any price
 
In a way you are right but not completely. Most of us don't want equal wages for all. We want quality jobs and a minimum wage that is a living wage. That way if people have the money they need to survive, no EIC, no food stamps, no welfare, no government assistance meaning less taxes for businesses and rich people meaning they can lower prices because more people buying stuff. Everyone has a job, everyone is happy.

But that makes too much sense to actually happen.

What should the guy who mows my neighbor's lawn earn?

Wingnut is too cheap to pay someone to cut his lawn at any price

What should I pay him?
 
I think it's cute how certain people act like "liberalism" is a relatively new and fleeting concept that can be killed off by "conservatism".

However? Liberalism as known today bears NO resemblence of it's creator here in America...Jefferson, but Modern Day Liberalism reflects that of Marx, Alinsky, and other Leftist Boobs.

Jefferson was no boob, but would be a Conservative in today's parlence.

Wingnuts who think that TJ was a liberal agree with Terrell when he says TJ was a conservative :cuckoo:
No doubt.

Jefferson was too-much the Renaissance Man (risk-taker/inventor/thinker; like the REST-of-us ARIES
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), to be considered a "conservative". :eusa_whistle:
 
My fear about Obama is that he, like other narcissistic socialists (Hitler, Mao, Stalin) would rather pull the world down around his ears than admit defeat.
 
My fear about Obama is that he, like other narcissistic socialists (Hitler, Mao, Stalin) would rather pull the world down around his ears than admit defeat.

Oh boy. Here comes the psycho-babble.

Every politician has traits of narcissism to them, or they wouldn't be politicians. That's how "personality" works.

It's not "personality disorder" until it impairs their daily lives.
 

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