The End of Liberalism....

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    1. "…there has been a slow but steady decline of which liberals have been steadfastly oblivious. The heirs of the New Deal are down to around 20% of the electorate, according to recent Gallup polls. Conservatives account for 42% of the vote, and in the recent election the independents, the second most numerous group at 29% of the electorate, broke the conservatives' way. They were alarmed by the deficit.

    2. Liberalism's decline might appear, at first glance, to have begun with the 1961 inauguration of President John F. Kennedy—when historians noted the first glimmerings of what was to become liberalism's distinctive trait, overreach. On the domestic side, the oratory set in motion President Lyndon Johnson's catastrophic War on Poverty.

    a. JFK's stirring language represented a break with the Burkean understanding of President Dwight Eisenhower. Ike, whether he articulated it or not, wanted to put the Great Depression and the dangerous confrontations of the early Cold War period behind us. He wanted to return to normalcy.

    3. Still, in tracing liberalism's decline, one cannot ignore an earlier event: the civil war that broke out in the aftermath of World War II. The conflict pitted what we might call the radicals led by Henry Wallace against the advocates of what Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. would call in his book, "The Vital Center," more practical liberals like Hubert Humphrey, Joseph L. Rauh and Walter Reuther. They were hard-headed and patriotic, and their desiderata were reasonable by comparison with the radicals' utopian ideas about the Soviet Union.

    4. The practical liberals won in the late 1940s, but in 1972 civil war broke out anew. This time the radicals won. In the meantime, LBJ's Great Society caused even some liberals to warn against the "unintended consequences" of government programs. These were to be the first new recruits to modern conservatism. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Irving Kristol and, for a time, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, were in Kristol's words liberals "who were mugged by reality."

    5. Conservatives have had Edmund Burke and the Founding Fathers as their cynosures. Sometimes they have provided discipline; sometimes conservatives have followed their own star. The problem for liberals is they have been denied a cynosure. Some had looked to the British Fabian Socialists and some to Karl Marx, but since the late 1940s liberals became coy about their intellectual mentors.

    6. Conservatism has steadily spread through the country since its larval days in the 1950s, and the reason is that the vast majority of Americans favor free enterprise and personal liberty. Note the tea party movement. The Republicans just took the House of Representatives by over 60 seats and gained six seats in the Senate. The social democrat in the White House has been routed.

    7. Over the past two years the Democrats showed their true colors. Faced with an entitlement crisis, they rang up trillion dollar deficits. We now face an entitlement crisis and a budget crisis—and liberals have no answer for it beyond tax and spend. They still have support in the media, but even here they are faced with opposition from Fox News, talk radio and the Internet.

    a. As a political movement liberalism is dead. They do not have the numbers. They do not have the policies. They have 23 seats in the Senate to defend in 2012 (against the Republicans' 10) and Republican control of state houses and legislatures will give them even more seats in the future. Liberalism R.I.P. "

    R. Emmett Tyrell Jr.: Liberalism—An Autopsy - WSJ.com
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    *rolls eyes* Whatever, neocon. If this is true, you might as well just declare this a corporate oligarchy and pave the entire country over to be a Wal-Mart parking lot. What righty blog did you get this off of, anyway? Ann Coulter. Pfft.

    PS. LOVE how you continue to bandy around the whole Marxist/Communist crap. Sheesh. Get some new talky points, why don't you?
     
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    gays are out and about everywhere!

    they even have their own shows on tv

    they are in the military, in business, in politics

    they have spousal benefits all over the country and in some places they are allowed to marry....

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    women and blacks are on a more equal footing with white men in just about every arena in America; business, politics, religion, the military...


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    blacks and whites marry and nobody cares anymore

    everyone has sex outside of marriage

    lots of successful women have children sans husbands BY CHOICE

    divorce is EASY to get

    millions of couples live together without bothering to marry

    most people are waiting LONGER before getting married

    people are re-thinking outrageous and draconian pot laws

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    these are ALL issues that riled conservatives 10-20 years ago...

    yet
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    cons have become SO LIBERAL that they don't care about most of those issues


    the measure of how liberal or conservative a nation is is best judged by how people actually live...

    and MOST people are a lot more LIBERAL in their social beliefs today than they were 20-30 years ago
     
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    You forgot to mention the progress of our War on Christmas :lol:
     
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    I think it would be more realistic to say that America is SOCIALLY liberal but FISCALLY and MILITARILY conservative...

    liberalism is no more dead today than conservatism was 2 years ago when conservative republicans were swept out of office
     
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    Yeah....ol' Bob's got quite the unbiased-pedigree.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    That is an excellent point, Rik-o...I thought the same when I read the op-ed, that we shouldn't get too self confident...

    But I hope you read the original via the link...he makes some good points.
     
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    I think it's cute how certain people act like "liberalism" is a relatively new and fleeting concept that can be killed off by "conservatism".

    You guys should get baseball jerseys and hats made up that say "Liberals" and "Conservatives" on them so you have something to wear as your cheer on your winning teams during election season.
     
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    New poll undercuts GOP claims of a midterm mandate | McClatchy

     
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    Peeps, I was hoping someone would challenge the timeline that Terrell presents....

    Can you?
     

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