Zone1 The Design Argument for God’s Existence.

[Libby von H]

Probably because God... like Harry Potter, was created by humans... for human consumption.

You say this only to make you look good. You would say the opposite if that did the trick.
You are only fooling yourself. we all see what you are

 

[Oddball]

Wow

• Day 1: God created light
• Day 2: God created the sky or the atmosphere
• Day 3: God created the dry land, seas, plants and trees
• Day 4: God created the sun, moon and stars
• Day 5: God created the birds and sea creatures
• Day 6: God created the land animals and humans
• Day 7: God rested and blessed the seventh day

When you really think about it, isn't that kinda-sorta the same story of the "big bang"?

 

[Oddball]

What problems can't science address?

God was invented because we lacked control. We couldn't control the weather, dance for God, sacrifice someone for God and the weather will get better.

So find me one thing which science cannot address.

You're kidding, right?

Lets start with the particle-wave duality/paradox.

Mere mathematics has unsolvable problems, numbers that can't be accounted for, and other general weirdness that nobody can explain.

"Science can 'splain it!" is a mortal conceit for secularists who lack control.

 

[Woodznutz]

At some stage, nearly everyone ponders the fundamental question: Does God exist? While we each explore our own paths to answer this question, many turn to science as the ultimate guide for unraveling life's most profound mysteries.

Is there a compelling, science-based argument that God exists?

In this essay, we’ll argue that recent discoveries in modern physics provide an argument that strongly suggests that an intelligent designer, God, is behind the universe and its laws. While this particular argument is based upon discoveries that are only a few decades old, the basic form of the argument follows in the footsteps of the age-old design argument.

The Design Argument for God’s Existence - Aish.com

Is there a compelling, science-based argument that God exists? Check this one out.

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Scientists have redefined "design" so that natural things that clearly show design really don't. Therefore, only man-made things show design, and therefore God doesn't exist.

 

[TNHarley]

When you really think about it, isn't that kinda-sorta the same story of the "big bang"?

If you ignore things like how our atmosphere was created or that plants need sunlight to survive. Or that birds came way after sea creatures, as far as we know.

 

[Oddball]

If you ignore things like how our atmosphere was created or that plants need sunlight to survive. Or that birds came way after sea creatures, as far as we know.

That's the micro....I'm talking macro.

The stories are mighty close to one another.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The entire human spiritual condition.

Which means what?

What is a "spiritual condition"?

Is this just the human brain being unable to cope with the full realities of life and makes stuff up?

We know, for example, that if we don't see the whole picture, say because there are bars in front of our eyes, that our brains can make up the rest.

Brain Fills Gaps to Produce a Likely Picture - Neuroscience News

Using neuroimaging technology, researchers discover we not only see with our eyes, but with our brains too.

neurosciencenews.com

Here's an example of us able to see a triangle within the black circles. It doesn't exist. The brain makes it happen. This is science. It's not spiritual. Because we could easily say it is.

 

[Wuwei]

Lets start with the particle-wave duality/paradox.

Mere mathematics has unsolvable problems, numbers that can't be accounted for, and other general weirdness that nobody can explain.

"Science can 'splain it!" is a mortal conceit for secularists who lack control.

The math needed in science has nothing to do with unsolvable novelty problems.

There is no such thing as a paradox in the particle and wave nature of quantum mechanics. Experiments involving the electromagnetic behavior of particles agree with the math to an accuracy of one part per billion or trillion, and that accuracy is only limited by computer speed and the ability to design sensitive experiments. The only "paradox" is that some journalists who write about it have no intuitive understanding of the subject and come away thinking it's a paradox.

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[Oddball]

The math needed in science has nothing to do with unsolvable novelty problems.

There is no such thing as a paradox in the particle and wave nature of quantum mechanics. Experiments involving the electromagnetic behavior of particles agree with the math to an accuracy of one part per billion or trillion, and that accuracy is only limited by computer speed and the ability to design sensitive experiments. The only "paradox" is that some journalists who write about it have no intuitive understanding of the subject and come away thinking it's a paradox.

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Hair splitting over semantics.

Point remains that that which we call "science" is clung to by many secularists, every bit as inseparably tightly as the religions of the faithful, despite all of its contradictions, unfalsifiabilities, and inexplicable phenomena.

One need look no further than the anthropogenic global warming crowd to notice that.

 

[DudleySmith]

Name one good argument for a supreme being.

Don't need to. It;s just a matter of definitions. Thomas Aquinas defined God as 'the first cause'.

The Five Ways | Definition & Arguments

The Five Ways, in the philosophy of religion, the five arguments proposed by St. Thomas Aquinas as demonstrations of the existence of God. The Five Ways are influential examples of natural theology, meaning that they are a concerted attempt to discern divine truth in the order of the natural world.

www.britannica.com

 

[DudleySmith]

SUMMA THEOLOGIAE: Home

St. Thomas Aquinas' entire masterpiece, in an easy-to-use format

www.newadvent.org

Best book for beginners on logic and Christian theology. Pretty much addresses everything.

SUMMA THEOLOGIAE: Prima Pars

St. Thomas Aquinas discusses Sacred Doctrine, the One God, the Blessed Trinity, Creation, the Angels, the Six Days, Man, and the Government of Creatures

www.newadvent.org

 

[BreezeWood]

Day 7: God rested and blessed the seventh day

no, they blessed their creation and referred to that as a sabbath - to keep holy ... the same as for those that reside in the everlasting.

they that rest, lower their vigilance on the seventh day are who bless - servitude and denial.

 

[BreezeWood]

At the end of the day the Bible is none of your business.

oh,

been to any of your cookouts lately - nutz.

 

[BreezeWood]

Belief in the supernatural is the only way to explain the problems that science can't address.

So find me one thing which science cannot address.

physiology is a metaphysical substance not native to planet earth that is guided by a unique spiritual content when removed causes the physiology to dissipate into the atmosphere.

evidence of the spiritual content transforming its physiology from one state to another is its visual proof of existance that science may or may never be able to explain.

 

[Woodznutz]

Which means what?

What is a "spiritual condition"?

Is this just the human brain being unable to cope with the full realities of life and makes stuff up?

We know, for example, that if we don't see the whole picture, say because there are bars in front of our eyes, that our brains can make up the rest.

Brain Fills Gaps to Produce a Likely Picture - Neuroscience News

Using neuroimaging technology, researchers discover we not only see with our eyes, but with our brains too.

neurosciencenews.com

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Here's an example of us able to see a triangle within the black circles. It doesn't exist. The brain makes it happen. This is science. It's not spiritual. Because we could easily say it is.

Can you explain 'illogical' thought or behavior?

 

[Woodznutz]

oh,

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been to any of your cookouts lately - nutz.

I'm not an Ephraimite.

 

[frigidweirdo]

physiology is a metaphysical substance not native to planet earth that is guided by a unique spiritual content when removed causes the physiology to dissipate into the atmosphere.

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evidence of the spiritual content transforming its physiology from one state to another is its visual proof of existance that science may or may never be able to explain.

There's no evidence that there's any "spiritual content" at all. People want to believe, so they believe.

But we have evidence that religion and spiritual things follow the needs of the people.

We've had multiple gods, we've had one God. We've had rain dancing, sacrifices, all kinds of things and it's all based around what people want from their religion.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Can you explain 'illogical' thought or behavior?

Yeah. Humans function on emotion.

We're powered by drugs in our bodies. Each person releases drugs differently to other people. Sure, there are plenty of people who are similar, but then there are those who have an imbalance of drugs.

Then you have the brain. Some people's brains function better than others. Some people have bad concentration spans and they're looking to simplify their thought process. They don't spend as much time thinking about their choices as other people do. Some don't think ahead. Some are very implusive.

Men, especially, are impulsive, it's a survival instinct. We need to be able to react in a fight, in a hunt, very quickly. Do first, think later or never.

 

[BreezeWood]

There's no evidence that there's any "spiritual content" at all. People want to believe, so they believe.

they may deny the evidence presented ... the physiological transformation guided by its unique spiritual content.

what in fact is not known or proven is the ability of the spiritual content to exist after the physiology expires or may actually be an evolutionary goal.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That the universe does not cycle is beyond dispute , so it had a start and it has an end. I

We don't know that.