The Democrats Want Higher Taxes And Have The Public Option Back On The Table

[rightwinger]

And drive them out of business completely so the government can take over the whole thing

It doesn't drive them out of business, it forces them to be competitive.

They could always consider cutting executive salaries, DC Lobbyists, physician kickbacks, campaign contributions

No..just kidding
They would never do that

You just pull this shit out of your ass on a continual basis??

These supposed actions don't come from reality or even logical thinking.. they come from your pipe dreams... A public option will not cause them to be 'competitive' whatsoever

And lord knows that the government exists to ensure those in charge of businesses have to make less... and if you think contributions and lobby spending will decrease with more governmental control, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn

Of course these actions don't come from logical thinking

No way would the Insurance Industry ever consider paying their top executives less. They would also never consider cutting what they pay lobbyists or Political campaigns....

Thats how they keep the Government Option from being considered

 

[DiamondDave]

It doesn't drive them out of business, it forces them to be competitive.

They could always consider cutting executive salaries, DC Lobbyists, physician kickbacks, campaign contributions

No..just kidding
They would never do that

You just pull this shit out of your ass on a continual basis??

These supposed actions don't come from reality or even logical thinking.. they come from your pipe dreams... A public option will not cause them to be 'competitive' whatsoever

And lord knows that the government exists to ensure those in charge of businesses have to make less... and if you think contributions and lobby spending will decrease with more governmental control, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn

Of course these actions don't come from logical thinking

No way would the Insurance Industry ever consider paying their top executives less. They would also never consider cutting what they pay lobbyists or Political campaigns....

Thats how they keep the Government Option from being considered

Because business, if shown to be ineffective against ACTUAL competition, will have to make adjustments or FAIL... and if a new insurance company has huge success with paying less or insists from it's executives that it should only make 2% profit or whatever else... more power to them

What is being done with this "public option" is not the job of government, nor should it be

And as stated, you left wing twit, if you think that favors, contributions, and lobbyists will be cut with more government control and intervention, you are motherfucking delusional

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Never should have taken the Public Option off the table

Only way to keep insurance companies honest and rates down

And drive them out of business completely so the government can take over the whole thing

It doesn't drive them out of business, it forces them to be competitive.

Horse shit. The government can undercut insurance companies by subsidizing the public option with tax dollars which they will do, thus putting insurance companies out of business. Employers will drop their employees' health insurance benefits because there is now a public "option" forcing them onto the government program no longer making it an option. Eventually, the government becomes the primary insurer and voila! Socialized health care, which is exactly what the socialists wanted in the first place. This is the logical progression of things.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The law says OPTION
Until it says otherwise you are lying to state otherwise

Self employed Americans, those who work for small companies, those who are new to the job market do not have a choice...they are denied a competitive private policy.

Yet you seek to deny them access to a low cost Government Option

Options exist only where there are other choices. Since employers will be dumping their liabilities on the government in droves there will be no other options.
Thus it is not an option at all but merely a stalking horse for single payer, i.e. socialized medicine.

Got news for you...
Employers are droping healthcare covrage in droves right now. They do not want to be in the health insurance business. The paperwork and long term liabilities are excessive

Their response is that all those new employees they hire are not offered health insurance or else they water down the policy they offer

Having a Government Option would be a safe haven for employees to go if they do not get adequate insurance from their employer

fuck you and the public option.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Got news for you...
Employers are droping healthcare covrage in droves right now.

Got news for you.... no they aren't, but they will be once the government starts offering an "option."

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And drive them out of business completely so the government can take over the whole thing

It doesn't drive them out of business, it forces them to be competitive.

Horse shit. The government can undercut insurance companies by subsidizing the public option with tax dollars which they will do, thus putting insurance companies out of business. Employers will drop their employees' health insurance benefits because there is now a public "option" forcing them onto the government program no longer making it an option. Eventually, the government becomes the primary insurer and voila! Socialized health care, which is exactly what the socialists wanted in the first place. This is the logical progression of things.

It's exactly what I have been saying long before the new healthcare law became a law.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The law says OPTION
Until it says otherwise you are lying to state otherwise

No, we're just knowledgeable of history and possess common sense, enabling us to draw the logical conclusion of how it will come to pass. Now perhaps you are too stupid and naive to have learned from the historical encroachment of government and hence deserve to live in serfdom, which appears to be your goal anyhow. Pretty sad.

 

[The Rabbi]

Got news for you...
Employers are droping healthcare covrage in droves right now.

Got news for you.... no they aren't, but they will be once the government starts offering an "option."

You are right on both counts.
I know one business owner right now talking to his accountant about how much more or less dumping everyone on the state and paying the fine would cost. At some point it will make sense for businesses to do this. And the argument about it being self funding is nonsense. People with no means to pay for it will be on it as well. By definition it cannot be self funding in that case.
Public option is merely a stalking horse for single payer. Barney Frank said as much.

 

[rightwinger]

Got news for you...
Employers are droping healthcare covrage in droves right now.

Got news for you.... no they aren't, but they will be once the government starts offering an "option."

You are right on both counts.
I know one business owner right now talking to his accountant about how much more or less dumping everyone on the state and paying the fine would cost. At some point it will make sense for businesses to do this. And the argument about it being self funding is nonsense. People with no means to pay for it will be on it as well. By definition it cannot be self funding in that case.
Public option is merely a stalking horse for single payer. Barney Frank said as much.

Regardless of whether there is a public option or not, business is dumping health insurace at every opportunity. They do not want to be in the insurance business

Who is going to fill the void?

 

[rightwinger]

The law says OPTION
Until it says otherwise you are lying to state otherwise

No, we're just knowledgeable of history and possess common sense, enabling us to draw the logical conclusion of how it will come to pass. Now perhaps you are too stupid and naive to have learned from the historical encroachment of government and hence deserve to live in serfdom, which appears to be your goal anyhow. Pretty sad.

Serfdom????

Overreach much?

 

[RDD_1210]

There is no difference.
Social Security was supposed to be paid for out of premiums.

I'm trying to figure out if you actually believe this or you just think the average reader of this thread is completely unfamiliar with history and you can get away with a claim like that. Either way, I'm mildly disgusted.

To be very clear: Social Security has always been financed by taxes on workers, all the way back to when it first started paying out benefits in 1937. It has never been paid for by "premiums" of people receiving benefits (probably in part because that idea makes no sense).

Virtually every "cost free" government program has ended up costing taxpayers billions if not trillions of dollars. Please cite one that hasnt.

The public option isn't free, it would be funded by premiums like any insurance company. You're looking for an equivalent to the concept of the public option but there hasn't been one.

Greenbeard, there is no point in trying to point out facts to the close minded here. They will continue to believe what they want to believe and will tell us what WILL happen based upon their opinion. They make these statements as if they were actual fact and not just their opinion.

Mind you, no actual solutions will be proposed by them, just negativity about the best possible solution to control health care premiums in this country.

I'm sure I'll get cursed and called every name imaginable now, but that's what I expect from them. It's like a broken record around here.

 

[AquaAthena]

Does this surprise anyone? How many hours did we waste trying to convince the Obamabots that this was simply a bait and switch. They are liars and frauds. Remember when you vote.

Who did not see this one coming??? Just another lock step to Marxism as Obama enslaves American taxpayers and citizens, for power and control....

 

[rightwinger]

And drive them out of business completely so the government can take over the whole thing

It doesn't drive them out of business, it forces them to be competitive.

They could always consider cutting executive salaries, DC Lobbyists, physician kickbacks, campaign contributions

No..just kidding
They would never do that

How can a private, for profit company, be forced to be competitive against a govt (taxpayer) funded business. The private co has to make a profit to survive and the govt does not. The private business has to earn the money it makes and the govt business just keeps taking from the taxpayer to fund its entity. No way you can consider that fair competition.

Thank you for admitting that the government run plan would be more efficient and cost less

Life is not always fair.......it is not fair when you are denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition
it is not fair that you lose your health insurance when you lose your job
it is not fair that you pay significantly more for insurance if you own your own business than if you work for a large employer

 

[rightwinger]

Options exist only where there are other choices. Since employers will be dumping their liabilities on the government in droves there will be no other options.
Thus it is not an option at all but merely a stalking horse for single payer, i.e. socialized medicine.

Got news for you...
Employers are droping healthcare covrage in droves right now. They do not want to be in the health insurance business. The paperwork and long term liabilities are excessive

Their response is that all those new employees they hire are not offered health insurance or else they water down the policy they offer

Having a Government Option would be a safe haven for employees to go if they do not get adequate insurance from their employer

fuck you and the public option.

Republicans....The Party of Fuck You

 

[The Rabbi]

Got news for you.... no they aren't, but they will be once the government starts offering an "option."

You are right on both counts.
I know one business owner right now talking to his accountant about how much more or less dumping everyone on the state and paying the fine would cost. At some point it will make sense for businesses to do this. And the argument about it being self funding is nonsense. People with no means to pay for it will be on it as well. By definition it cannot be self funding in that case.
Public option is merely a stalking horse for single payer. Barney Frank said as much.

Regardless of whether there is a public option or not, business is dumping health insurace at every opportunity. They do not want to be in the insurance business

Who is going to fill the void?

No, you've already been told this is not happening. Please post something--anything--that supports this statement.

 

[Mr Natural]

The Health Care legislation is a worthless piece of crap without the Public Option.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Health Care legislation is a worthless piece of crap without the Public Option.

FOr once you post absolute truth.
And then screw it up by adding the verbiage starting with "without."
You could screw up a one car parade.

 

[RDD_1210]

You are right on both counts.
I know one business owner right now talking to his accountant about how much more or less dumping everyone on the state and paying the fine would cost. At some point it will make sense for businesses to do this. And the argument about it being self funding is nonsense. People with no means to pay for it will be on it as well. By definition it cannot be self funding in that case.
Public option is merely a stalking horse for single payer. Barney Frank said as much.

Regardless of whether there is a public option or not, business is dumping health insurace at every opportunity. They do not want to be in the insurance business

Who is going to fill the void?

No, you've already been told this is not happening. Please post something--anything--that supports this statement.

Since it appears that you don't know how to use Google. You're welcome.

Firms cancel health coverage - The Boston Globe

Rising costs prompting small businesses to drop health insurance benefits - chicagotribune.com

 

[rightwinger]

The Health Care legislation is a worthless piece of crap without the Public Option.

Just an oportunity for Private Insurers to add 30 million prople. The Public Option, which is not a Government run insurance but the Goverment managing a pool of insurers is need to check the insurance companies from exploiting the healthcare bill

Again.....if you don't want the OPTION....why deny it to those who do?

Are you afraid the Government Option will do too good a job of insuring Americans?

 

[rightwinger]

You are right on both counts.
I know one business owner right now talking to his accountant about how much more or less dumping everyone on the state and paying the fine would cost. At some point it will make sense for businesses to do this. And the argument about it being self funding is nonsense. People with no means to pay for it will be on it as well. By definition it cannot be self funding in that case.
Public option is merely a stalking horse for single payer. Barney Frank said as much.

Regardless of whether there is a public option or not, business is dumping health insurace at every opportunity. They do not want to be in the insurance business

Who is going to fill the void?

No, you've already been told this is not happening. Please post something--anything--that supports this statement.

Rabbi...as usual, your opinion has nothing to do with the truth