The definitive documents of the 1948 war

[Toddsterpatriot]

Before 1928, title to territory could be acquired by the use of force or through conquest. The 1928 Kellogg-Briand Pact, which created key principles of international law, brought about a change whereby the acquisition of territory by force was no longer lawful.

Self-determination: the Palestinian trump card - Opinion - Ahram Online

That could be why Israel has no land.

Didn't the Kellogg-Briand Pact outlaw war?

 

[JStone]

Palesteeenians are the laziest, dumbest, most fucked up losers in the history of the world. My excrement is more talented allahu fucku all!

Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Official Biographer of Winston Churchill Who Was Secretary of Palestine During the British Mandate...

I cannot stress enough the importance of the few days Churchill spent throughout Palestine in 1921. The contrast between the extraordinary negative points of view put forth by the Palestinian Arabs and the equally positive ones put forth by the Zionists struck him enormously. Churchill didn't like negativism and he couldn't comprehend why the Palestinian Arabs were being so negative. It's quite curious. If you have a look at what the Palestinian Arabs told him, you'll find that three or four are actually in the Hamas Charter today, such as the world Jewish conspiracy and so on and so forth. That said, the Palestinian Arabs just made a bad impression on him and subsequently, he became very negative toward them; in modern terms, almost racist. When Churchill spoke to the Palestinian Arabs, he actually said to them, 'You've got to help the Zionists. They're people of quality and inasmuch as they'll succeed, you'll succeed. Without them you won't succeed.'

Winston Churchill...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books

 

[P F Tinmore]

Before 1928, title to territory could be acquired by the use of force or through conquest. The 1928 Kellogg-Briand Pact, which created key principles of international law, brought about a change whereby the acquisition of territory by force was no longer lawful.

Self-determination: the Palestinian trump card - Opinion - Ahram Online

That could be why Israel has no land.

Didn't the Kellogg-Briand Pact outlaw war?

Well, that was the intent. The document itself was short and unspecific. However, it did spark debates between countries that went on from 1928 to about 1935. Other treaties and the League of Nations covenant were referenced and many agreements were made as to the meaning of what should be the law.

“It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.” is not mentioned at all. This seems to be an agreed upon principle based on other references. One of these could be from article 10 of the League of Nations covenant which states: “The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League." Another could be the universal recognition of the right to self determination. Included on that right is the process of annexation. One party cannot annex the territory of another party without the agreement of the people to be annexed.

 

[JStone]

Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani Scholar, Journalist, Author and Former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World Today

Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. “Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.

It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence.

Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority – a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestine’s towns. “By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."

The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state.
Global Politician - Israel?s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State

2,000 Year Old Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYj_0foJYA]The Dead Sea Scrolls Online - YouTube[/ame]

Google Official Google Blog: From the desert to the web: bringing the Dead Sea Scrolls online

It’s taken 24 centuries, the work of archaeologists, scholars and historians, and the advent of the Internet to make the Dead Sea Scrolls accessible to anyone in the world. Today, as the new year approaches on the Hebrew calendar, we’re celebrating the launch of the Dead Sea Scrolls online; a project of The Israel Museum, Jerusalem, powered by Google technology.

Written between the third and first centuries BCE, the Dead Sea Scrolls include the oldest known biblical manuscripts in existence. In 68 BCE, they were hidden in 11 caves in the Judean desert on the shores of the Dead Sea to protect them from the approaching Roman armies. Since 1965, the scrolls have been on exhibit at the Shrine of the Book at The Israel Museum, Jerusalem. Among other topics, the scrolls offer critical insights into life and religion in ancient Jerusalem, including the birth of Christianity

Now, anyone around the world can view, read and interact with five digitized Dead Sea Scrolls. The high resolution photographs are up to 1,200 megapixels, almost 200 times more than the average consumer camera, so viewers can see even the most minute details in the parchment. For example, zoom in on the Temple Scroll to get a feel for the animal skin it's written on—only one-tenth of a millimeter thick.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That could be why Israel has no land.

Didn't the Kellogg-Briand Pact outlaw war?

Well, that was the intent. The document itself was short and unspecific. However, it did spark debates between countries that went on from 1928 to about 1935. Other treaties and the League of Nations covenant were referenced and many agreements were made as to the meaning of what should be the law.

“It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.” is not mentioned at all. This seems to be an agreed upon principle based on other references. One of these could be from article 10 of the League of Nations covenant which states: “The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League." Another could be the universal recognition of the right to self determination. Included on that right is the process of annexation. One party cannot annex the territory of another party without the agreement of the people to be annexed.

What about all the land Germany lost as a result of starting, and losing, WWII?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Didn't the Kellogg-Briand Pact outlaw war?

Well, that was the intent. The document itself was short and unspecific. However, it did spark debates between countries that went on from 1928 to about 1935. Other treaties and the League of Nations covenant were referenced and many agreements were made as to the meaning of what should be the law.

“It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.” is not mentioned at all. This seems to be an agreed upon principle based on other references. One of these could be from article 10 of the League of Nations covenant which states: “The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League." Another could be the universal recognition of the right to self determination. Included on that right is the process of annexation. One party cannot annex the territory of another party without the agreement of the people to be annexed.

What about all the land Germany lost as a result of starting, and losing, WWII?

I don't know. What did they lose?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, that was the intent. The document itself was short and unspecific. However, it did spark debates between countries that went on from 1928 to about 1935. Other treaties and the League of Nations covenant were referenced and many agreements were made as to the meaning of what should be the law.

“It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.” is not mentioned at all. This seems to be an agreed upon principle based on other references. One of these could be from article 10 of the League of Nations covenant which states: “The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League." Another could be the universal recognition of the right to self determination. Included on that right is the process of annexation. One party cannot annex the territory of another party without the agreement of the people to be annexed.

What about all the land Germany lost as a result of starting, and losing, WWII?

I don't know. What did they lose?

 

[JStone]

In 1948 and today, fakestinians, arabs and muslimes are the laziest, dumbest, most backward, most fucked up, failed losers in the history of the world.

John F. Kennedy

When the first Zionist conference met in 1897, Palestine was a neglected wasteland

I first saw Palestine in 1939. There the neglect and ruin left by centuries of Ottoman [Muslim] misrule were slowly being transformed by miracles of [Jewish] labor and sacrifice. But Palestine was still a land of promise in 1939, rather than a land of fulfillment. I returned in 1951 to see the grandeur of Israel

I left with the conviction that the United Nations may have conferred on Israel the credentials of nationhood; but its own idealism and courage, its own sacrifice and generosity, had earned the credentials of immortality.

The original Zionist philosophy has always maintained that the people of Israel would use their national genius not for selfish purposes but for the enrichment and glory of the entire Middle East. The earliest leaders of the Zionist movement spoke of a Jewish state which would have no military power and which would be content with victories of the spirit

The technical skills and genius of Israel have already brought their blessings to Burma and to Ethiopia. Still other nations in Asia and in Africa are eager to benefit from the special skills available in that bustling land

John F. Kennedy: Speech by Senator John F. Kennedy, Zionists of America Convention, Statler Hilton Hotel, New York, NY

Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Official Biographer of Winston Churchill, Former Secretary of "Palestine" During the British Mandate...

I cannot stress enough the importance of the few days Churchill spent throughout Palestine in 1921. The contrast between the extraordinary negative points of view put forth by the Palestinian Arabs and the equally positive ones put forth by the Zionists struck him enormously. Churchill didn't like negativism and he couldn't comprehend why the Palestinian Arabs were being so negative. It's quite curious. If you have a look at what the Palestinian Arabs told him, you'll find that three or four are actually in the Hamas Charter today, such as the world Jewish conspiracy and so on and so forth. That said, the Palestinian Arabs just made a bad impression on him and subsequently, he became very negative toward them; in modern terms, almost racist. When Churchill spoke to the Palestinian Arabs, he actually said to them, 'You've got to help the Zionists. They're people of quality and inasmuch as they'll succeed, you'll succeed. Without them you won't succeed.'
Amazon.com: Churchill and the Jews: A Lifelong Friendship (9780805088649): Martin Gilbert: Books

Islamic Scholar Bernard Lewis

If the peoples of the Middle East continue on their present path, the suicide bomber may become a metaphor for the whole region, and there will be no escape from a downward spiral of hate and spite, rage and self-pity, poverty and oppression.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What about all the land Germany lost as a result of starting, and losing, WWII?

I don't know. What did they lose?

Didn't they eventually get back everything that was actually theirs?

 

[JStone]

Didn't they eventually get back everything that was actually theirs?

Jews have had Israel dating back 3000 years. No worries

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

2,000 Year Old Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYj_0foJYA]The Dead Sea Scrolls Online - YouTube[/ame]

Google Official Google Blog: From the desert to the web: bringing the Dead Sea Scrolls online

It’s taken 24 centuries, the work of archaeologists, scholars and historians, and the advent of the Internet to make the Dead Sea Scrolls accessible to anyone in the world. Today, as the new year approaches on the Hebrew calendar, we’re celebrating the launch of the Dead Sea Scrolls online; a project of The Israel Museum, Jerusalem, powered by Google technology.

Written between the third and first centuries BCE, the Dead Sea Scrolls include the oldest known biblical manuscripts in existence. In 68 BCE, they were hidden in 11 caves in the Judean desert on the shores of the Dead Sea to protect them from the approaching Roman armies. Since 1965, the scrolls have been on exhibit at the Shrine of the Book at The Israel Museum, Jerusalem. Among other topics, the scrolls offer critical insights into life and religion in ancient Jerusalem, including the birth of Christianity

Now, anyone around the world can view, read and interact with five digitized Dead Sea Scrolls. The high resolution photographs are up to 1,200 megapixels, almost 200 times more than the average consumer camera, so viewers can see even the most minute details in the parchment. For example, zoom in on the Temple Scroll to get a feel for the animal skin it's written on—only one-tenth of a millimeter thick.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know. What did they lose?

Didn't they eventually get back everything that was actually theirs?

They lost territory they held in 1918 after the war ended in 1945.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Didn't they eventually get back everything that was actually theirs?

They lost territory they held in 1918 after the war ended in 1945.

OK, I never studied it that closely.

 

[JStone]

Warren Buffett...

We believe generally in the United States, we believe in ourselves and what a young country can achieve. Israel, since 1948, now a major factor in commerce and in the world. It's a smaller replica of what has been accomplished here and I think Americans admire that. They feel good about societies that are on the move.
Warren Buffet Supports the U.S.-Israel Relationship - YouTube

Warren Buffett

If you go to the Middle East looking for oil, you don't need to stop in Israel. But, if you're looking for brains, for energy, for integrity, for imagination, it's the only stop you need to make"
Warren Buffet on Israel - YouTube

Israeli-based Nano Retina has developed nanotech bionic retina implant device that restores sight to the vision impaired affected by macular degeneration, diabetic retinopathy, and other diseases. The operation to install the electrode-laden implant takes a mere half hour under local anesthetic.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeD7e0QfD2c]Nano Retina - Sight restoration, produced by Virtual Point - YouTube[/ame]

"We Desire Death Like You Desire Life"
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg]Hamas - "We desire death like you desire life" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Didn't the Kellogg-Briand Pact outlaw war?

Well, that was the intent. The document itself was short and unspecific. However, it did spark debates between countries that went on from 1928 to about 1935. Other treaties and the League of Nations covenant were referenced and many agreements were made as to the meaning of what should be the law.

“It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.” is not mentioned at all. This seems to be an agreed upon principle based on other references. One of these could be from article 10 of the League of Nations covenant which states: “The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League." Another could be the universal recognition of the right to self determination. Included on that right is the process of annexation. One party cannot annex the territory of another party without the agreement of the people to be annexed.

What about all the land Germany lost as a result of starting, and losing, WWII?

Of course what happened to Germany in WWII is irrelevant to this conflict. What is relevant is that land cannot be taken by the threat or use of force.

Perhaps that is why the 1949 armistice agreements did not establish or change any borders. Borders would denote land ownership. However, the armistice lines were specifically not to be political of territorial borders.

Palestine was not chopped into three pieces and given away. It was divided into three occupations with the "Palestine question" to be addressed at a later date.

 

[Ropey]

There is no Palestine. It was a dissolved partition that was not created by any Muslims.

Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no Palestine. It was a dissolved partition that was not created by any Muslims.

Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire

Where does it say that in your link?

 

[Ropey]

There is no Palestine. It was a dissolved partition that was not created by any Muslims.

Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire

Where does it say that in your link?

Ottoman Empire. Not Palestinian empire. A partition, no more.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no Palestine. It was a dissolved partition that was not created by any Muslims.

Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire

Where does it say that in your link?

Ottoman Empire. Not Palestinian empire. A partition, no more.

It was not Israeli empire either. What is your point?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, that was the intent. The document itself was short and unspecific. However, it did spark debates between countries that went on from 1928 to about 1935. Other treaties and the League of Nations covenant were referenced and many agreements were made as to the meaning of what should be the law.

“It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.” is not mentioned at all. This seems to be an agreed upon principle based on other references. One of these could be from article 10 of the League of Nations covenant which states: “The Members of the League undertake to respect and preserve as against external aggression the territorial integrity and existing political independence of all Members of the League." Another could be the universal recognition of the right to self determination. Included on that right is the process of annexation. One party cannot annex the territory of another party without the agreement of the people to be annexed.

What about all the land Germany lost as a result of starting, and losing, WWII?

Of course what happened to Germany in WWII is irrelevant to this conflict. What is relevant is that land cannot be taken by the threat or use of force.

Perhaps that is why the 1949 armistice agreements did not establish or change any borders. Borders would denote land ownership. However, the armistice lines were specifically not to be political of territorial borders.

Palestine was not chopped into three pieces and given away. It was divided into three occupations with the "Palestine question" to be addressed at a later date.

You said land couldn't be taken by force after 1928. The USSR took that German land after 1928. How is that irrelevant?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What about all the land Germany lost as a result of starting, and losing, WWII?

Of course what happened to Germany in WWII is irrelevant to this conflict. What is relevant is that land cannot be taken by the threat or use of force.

Perhaps that is why the 1949 armistice agreements did not establish or change any borders. Borders would denote land ownership. However, the armistice lines were specifically not to be political of territorial borders.

Palestine was not chopped into three pieces and given away. It was divided into three occupations with the "Palestine question" to be addressed at a later date.

You said land couldn't be taken by force after 1928. The USSR took that German land after 1928. How is that irrelevant?

How does that relate to the Israel Palestine conflict?