The definitive documents of the 1948 war

[P F Tinmore]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine mentioned 19 times.
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine mentioned 12 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine mentioned 14 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine mentioned 13 times.
A place called Israel - 0

 

[Wolverine1984]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine mentioned 19 times.
A place called Israel - 0


The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine mentioned 12 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine mentioned 14 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine mentioned 13 times.
A place called Israel - 0

Agreement with Egypt:
5. This Agreement supersedes the Egyptian-Israeli General Cease-Fire Agreement entered into by the Parties on 24 January 1949

But surly you just overlooked that...

In addition in each of them Israel is mentioned on the title...
but don't let facts get in the way of your argument....

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine mentioned 19 times.
A place called Israel - 0


The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine mentioned 12 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine mentioned 14 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine mentioned 13 times.
A place called Israel - 0

Agreement with Egypt:
5. This Agreement supersedes the Egyptian-Israeli General Cease-Fire Agreement entered into by the Parties on 24 January 1949

But surly you just overlooked that...

In addition in each of them Israel is mentioned on the title...
but don't let facts get in the way of your argument....

Israeli forces are mentioned, but, a place called Israel is not.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Dude, are you serious ?!
Really come on , your arguments are childish...
In the Egyptian treaty there is no mention of a place called EGYPT only Egyptian forces.
Do you mean to say that there is no such thing as EGYPT because of that ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Dude, are you serious ?!
Really come on , your arguments are childish...
In the Egyptian treaty there is no mention of a place called EGYPT only Egyptian forces.
Do you mean to say that there is no such thing as EGYPT because of that ?

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Wait, Israel says that is Israel. The Palestinians say that is Palestine. The legal documents say that is Palestine.

Who is lying?

 

[Wolverine1984]

Back to my question...

Dude, are you serious ?!
Really come on , your arguments are childish...
In the Egyptian treaty there is no mention of a place called EGYPT only Egyptian forces.
Do you mean to say that there is no such thing as EGYPT because of that ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Back to my question...

Dude, are you serious ?!
Really come on , your arguments are childish...
In the Egyptian treaty there is no mention of a place called EGYPT only Egyptian forces.
Do you mean to say that there is no such thing as EGYPT because of that ?

There was no "Egypt" in Palestine only Egyptian forces. But Egypt was mentioned.

2. The area thus demilitarized shall be as follows: From a point on the Egypt-Palestine frontier five (5) kilometres north-west of the intersection of the Rafah-El Auja road and the frontier (MR 08750468), south-east to Khashm El Mamdud (MR 09650414), thence south-east to Hill 405 (MR 10780285), thence south-west to a point on the Egypt-Palestine frontier five (5) kilometres southeast of the intersection of the old railway tracks and the frontier (MR 09950145), thence returning north-west along the Egypt-Palestine frontier to the point of origin.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Back to my question...

Dude, are you serious ?!
Really come on , your arguments are childish...
In the Egyptian treaty there is no mention of a place called EGYPT only Egyptian forces.
Do you mean to say that there is no such thing as EGYPT because of that ?

There was no "Egypt" in Palestine only Egyptian forces. But Egypt was mentioned.

2. The area thus demilitarized shall be as follows: From a point on the Egypt-Palestine frontier five (5) kilometres north-west of the intersection of the Rafah-El Auja road and the frontier (MR 08750468), south-east to Khashm El Mamdud (MR 09650414), thence south-east to Hill 405 (MR 10780285), thence south-west to a point on the Egypt-Palestine frontier five (5) kilometres southeast of the intersection of the old railway tracks and the frontier (MR 09950145), thence returning north-west along the Egypt-Palestine frontier to the point of origin.

Doesn't Israel call this the border between Egypt and Israel?

Hmmm.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine mentioned 19 times.
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine mentioned 12 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine mentioned 14 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine mentioned 13 times.
A place called Israel - 0

Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine mentioned 19 times.
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine mentioned 12 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine mentioned 14 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine mentioned 13 times.
A place called Israel - 0

Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

That is true. That war continues as we speak. Fake peace talks have been going on for the last 20 years.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

Palestine mentioned 19 times.
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Palestine mentioned 12 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Palestine mentioned 14 times
A place called Israel - 0

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine mentioned 13 times.
A place called Israel - 0

Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

That is true. That war continues as we speak. Fake peace talks have been going on for the last 20 years.

It's true....
Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

 

[P F Tinmore]

Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

That is true. That war continues as we speak. Fake peace talks have been going on for the last 20 years.

It's true....
Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

They were ceasefire agreements between the different armed forces.

Palestine had no armed forces.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is true. That war continues as we speak. Fake peace talks have been going on for the last 20 years.

It's true....
Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

They were ceasefire agreements between the different armed forces.

Palestine had no armed forces.

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's true....
Agreements signed by the Israeli government - 4
Agreements signed by the Palestinian government - 0

They were ceasefire agreements between the different armed forces.

Palestine had no armed forces.

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

Under the mandate, Britain was supposed to be their defensive force. Britain cut and run leaving Palestinian civilians under the attack of Israel's military.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They were ceasefire agreements between the different armed forces.

Palestine had no armed forces.

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

Under the mandate, Britain was supposed to be their defensive force. Britain cut and run leaving Palestinian civilians under the attack of Israel's military.

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

 

[P F Tinmore]

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

Under the mandate, Britain was supposed to be their defensive force. Britain cut and run leaving Palestinian civilians under the attack of Israel's military.

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

Political opinion.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They were ceasefire agreements between the different armed forces.

Palestine had no armed forces.

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

Under the mandate, Britain was supposed to be their defensive force. Britain cut and run leaving Palestinian civilians under the attack of Israel's military.

Britain violated the League of Nations charter, violated the terms of the mandate and generally violated the rights of the Palestinians.

However, that did not negate their rights.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Under the mandate, Britain was supposed to be their defensive force. Britain cut and run leaving Palestinian civilians under the attack of Israel's military.

How could a non-existent entity have armed forces?

Political opinion.

The imaginary entity's lack of an army was political opinion? Okay.

 

[sealybobo]

Today is just like 1948. What Obama Can Learn From Truman | The New Republic

Remember they thought Dewey Beat Truman? They even printed papers saying so?

Harry Truman’s campaign for reelection in 1948—successful, despite a poor economic climate, and a polarized electorate—offers a promising path for Obama’s reelection.

Plenty of parallels. Most prominently, both were hampered by crippling midterm elections, fueled largely by anger about the poor state of the economy, which produced sweeping and across-the-board loss of seats for their party in Congress.

The Congress of 1947 and 1948 record on domestic policy was like today. “they veered so sharply to the right that they alienated one segment of the electorate after another. Pushing the anti-union Taft-Hartley legislation over Truman’s veto, they drove a labor movement furious with Truman back into the president’s arms.

In what will no doubt sound familiar to watchers of the current Congress, the sweeping GOP victories in 1946 convinced many Republicans that they had achieved a lasting ideological victory—that the American public had finished with the liberalism and embraced their brand of conservatism. They were wrong. Voters had reacted to short-term economic conditions, and to a post-war mood for change, but not for a new right-wing ideology.

Truman seized upon the conservative over-reaching and openly fought against what he dubbed the “Do-Nothing Eightieth Congress.” That rhetorical strategy paid dividends.

Not only was Truman reelected, Democrats picked up nine seats in the Senate and a full 75 in the House to recapture both bodies. “The luckiest thing that ever happened to me,” Truman remarked years later, “was the Eightieth Congress.”

Barack Obama ought to be able to leverage his own recalcitrant Congress for political gain. The sitting 112th Congress, like Truman’s 80th, is dominated by a Republican House that believes that its sweeping victory reflected a huge public mandate to dismantle government as we know it. They are wrong again.