The Defense Industry layoffs begin!

[WillowTree]

It's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to balance the budget if we don't cut back on defense spending.

List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you aware that the U.S. spends 41% of the world's total defense expenditures? We spend $711 billion annually on defense. That's 5 times what the #2 country (China) spends on defense. How do you consider that sustainable, in the long term? Particularly when we have a 1.6 trillion deficit?

Would it work in your house to keep spending money you didn't have as your debt continued to expand exponentially?

How about cutting all these entitlements .. You know in Norway they did a study. They had if you got laid off you could stay on unemployment for 4 years. Guess what almost everyone used that 4 years. They cut it down to two years . Guess what almost everyone found a job in two years.. If you are going to keep giving people free crap ( well free to them) they have no incentive to go out and find a job. just look on youtube and put on Obama free money and you will see the craziness in that ... I understand there are people that cant work but the numbers that are going on food stamps and Social security disability these days are record numbers. WHY??? Because it is much easier to get these days, They just spent 99 weeks on unemployment why go back to work if you can find more free money.. I have told this board over and over again my own flesh and blood has done this so you cant say it doesn't happen.

We have too many entitlements , Yes some people need them but they need to make it not so easy and there should be cut off times for welfare , food stamps medicaid. It can be 3 to 5 years after that you are on your own . Sorry. You cant say after 5 years you cant get a job and if you have a baby after 5 years they will be in school. Dont have any more children if your on assistance so you cant use that defense..

Now I am not saying we shouldn't cut in defense. We can What I am afraid of is Obama cutting it to much it jeopardizes our freedoms. Because face it there are plenty of countries that hate us

You know what? You sounded reasonable till the end. In case you missed it; Obama did not put the sequestration in place. You rethugs in Congress put this together. The Dems offered cuts in social programs, the rethugs offered defense cuts.

And btw, what countries that hate us are capable of attacking and defeating us? Even with the cuts. Just curious on that one. Or are you just concerned that some military contractor will miss his bonus check if the cuts happen?

China.

 

[Sallow]

OH how I would love to have more peace here on earth but face it. There is always going to be war. Look at the middle east they have been fighting over the same peace of land for how many years now .

When did we annex the Middle East?

I must have missed that one.

When they annexed NYC.

NY is one of the original thirteen states.

Got it?

 

[Sallow]

It's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to balance the budget if we don't cut back on defense spending.

List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you aware that the U.S. spends 41% of the world's total defense expenditures? We spend $711 billion annually on defense. That's 5 times what the #2 country (China) spends on defense. How do you consider that sustainable, in the long term? Particularly when we have a 1.6 trillion deficit?

Would it work in your house to keep spending money you didn't have as your debt continued to expand exponentially?

How about cutting all these entitlements .. You know in Norway they did a study. They had if you got laid off you could stay on unemployment for 4 years. Guess what almost everyone used that 4 years. They cut it down to two years . Guess what almost everyone found a job in two years.. If you are going to keep giving people free crap ( well free to them) they have no incentive to go out and find a job. just look on youtube and put on Obama free money and you will see the craziness in that ... I understand there are people that cant work but the numbers that are going on food stamps and Social security disability these days are record numbers. WHY??? Because it is much easier to get these days, They just spent 99 weeks on unemployment why go back to work if you can find more free money.. I have told this board over and over again my own flesh and blood has done this so you cant say it doesn't happen.

We have too many entitlements , Yes some people need them but they need to make it not so easy and there should be cut off times for welfare , food stamps medicaid. It can be 3 to 5 years after that you are on your own . Sorry. You cant say after 5 years you cant get a job and if you have a baby after 5 years they will be in school. Dont have any more children if your on assistance so you cant use that defense..

Now I am not saying we shouldn't cut in defense. We can What I am afraid of is Obama cutting it to much it jeopardizes our freedoms. Because face it there are plenty of countries that hate us

You know what? You sounded reasonable till the end. In case you missed it; Obama did not put the sequestration in place. You rethugs in Congress put this together. The Dems offered cuts in social programs, the rethugs offered defense cuts.

And btw, what countries that hate us are capable of attacking and defeating us? Even with the cuts. Just curious on that one. Or are you just concerned that some military contractor will miss his bonus check if the cuts happen?

In case anyone forgets..

Boehner: I got 98 percent of what I wanted - CBS News

 

[WillowTree]

When did we annex the Middle East?

I must have missed that one.

When they annexed NYC.

NY is one of the original thirteen states.

Got it?

Yes, it's number 55 or 56,, I forgot.

 

[Caroljo]

Whats to explain. He promised to end the war and he is and the cost goes down. You think we should continue war spending because of jobs? Halliburton and Blackwater is fraud and abuse but we would continue the war for them? Remember when the military bases were closed to cut cost? Jobs will be lost so what? They will go on to other areas of empoyment. Thousand of troops were unemployed because the wars are ending. Kiling people is good for the economy?

Do you realize how many of our soldiers leave the service and can't find jobs?? Do you know how many veterans are homeless now because they can't find jobs when they get out? What is our government doing to help these people? I know....the same thing he's doing to help the everyday citizens in this country find jobs...........NOTHING!

Wait a minute.

NOW..you want government spending?

Sheesh..make up your minds..will ya?

Our military WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT. They should be the LAST people to have to take cuts, or have benefits taken away by any means, even after they're out. Remember when Obama was going to hold their pay, and not send out social security checks (when people paid in all their lives, it should have been there no matter what!)....but heaven forbid if things were that bad that the rich Congressmen, Senators, etc (on both sides!) couldn't go one week with no paycheck! But they'll take it away from the ones that really need it and have earned it.

Government has to spend....but it's WHAT they spend our money on that we bitch about!

 

[zeke]

How about cutting all these entitlements .. You know in Norway they did a study. They had if you got laid off you could stay on unemployment for 4 years. Guess what almost everyone used that 4 years. They cut it down to two years . Guess what almost everyone found a job in two years.. If you are going to keep giving people free crap ( well free to them) they have no incentive to go out and find a job. just look on youtube and put on Obama free money and you will see the craziness in that ... I understand there are people that cant work but the numbers that are going on food stamps and Social security disability these days are record numbers. WHY??? Because it is much easier to get these days, They just spent 99 weeks on unemployment why go back to work if you can find more free money.. I have told this board over and over again my own flesh and blood has done this so you cant say it doesn't happen.

We have too many entitlements , Yes some people need them but they need to make it not so easy and there should be cut off times for welfare , food stamps medicaid. It can be 3 to 5 years after that you are on your own . Sorry. You cant say after 5 years you cant get a job and if you have a baby after 5 years they will be in school. Dont have any more children if your on assistance so you cant use that defense..

Now I am not saying we shouldn't cut in defense. We can What I am afraid of is Obama cutting it to much it jeopardizes our freedoms. Because face it there are plenty of countries that hate us

You know what? You sounded reasonable till the end. In case you missed it; Obama did not put the sequestration in place. You rethugs in Congress put this together. The Dems offered cuts in social programs, the rethugs offered defense cuts.

And btw, what countries that hate us are capable of attacking and defeating us? Even with the cuts. Just curious on that one. Or are you just concerned that some military contractor will miss his bonus check if the cuts happen?

China.

Do you really believe that the country that holds the bulk of our debt and sells us more finished goods than anyone on earth, hates us and is really interested in going to war with us.

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT? And that they would win? Seriously? They have one aircraft carrier group. We have thousands of nukes. Come on. You stoned?

 

[candycorn]

The only additional monies we should be spending on Defense is a massive pay raise for anyone who serves and massive increases in VA spending and survivor benefits. There should be no upper cap on what we pay our soldiers, sailors, and airmen and women. We can't pay them enough.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives tell us ad nauseum that smaller government means more jobs.

Cutting defense means smaller government.

Don't conservatives want to repeat their mantra now that smaller government means more jobs...

...instead of now lamenting the fact that smaller government really means job LOSSES?

 

[AmyNation]

Stop giving to the military, we all know private citizens can run it better. The Government can't even run the post office how are they going to run the top military in the world? Privatize the military before it is too late.

That is a terrible idea.

A military force that is run by not the government, but private enterprise, is a force that holds loyalty not to the United States, but to the person who signs their checks. They would become nothing more than guns for hire, and what happens when another country offers them more money?

 

[uscitizen]

So less war and more peace is a bad thing?

OH how I would love to have more peace here on earth but face it. There is always going to be war. Look at the middle east they have been fighting over the same peace of land for how many years now .

Correct so why should we think that our involvement will make any real difference?

 

[longknife]

Sequestration was another stupid "compromise" by RINOs and the Dem majority in the Senate to keep the government going without having to put themselves on the record about tough decisions.

The newly elected Tea Party candidates did not have enough political clout to stop it.

I watched a debate last night between the two candidates for the US Senate here in Nevada. Dean Heller, the current Senator, admitted that he had voted for it to keep from having to shut down the government, stopping all the government checks from going out to beneficiaries. [A usual "don't blame me. I did it for the people.]

Shelley Berkley, the Dem Rep, stated vehemently, "There will be not sequestration!"

As much as I disagree with every position she espouses [appropriately changed when it comes election time], this is one thing I agree with her on. The only difference will be in who wins the election.

If Obuma wins, it will go through, costing tens of thousands of jobs in both the military and the defense industries, highly technical jobs with impressive skills. None of the bennies going to Obuma's voting bloc will be reduced.

If Pres Romney is heading for the White House, Sequestration will be delayed or revoked and we will see other methods sought to relieve the budget crisis.

However, it makes no difference WHICH candidate wins the Oval Office. What really counts is The Senate! As long as Dems hold the majority and Dingy Harry remains Majority Leader, NOTHING on the legislative agenda will get done!! Nothing!

The only salvation for this country is electing enough GOP Senators to give them the majority. THAT is when the sequestration problem will be solved.

 

[BreezeWood]

Stop giving to the military, we all know private citizens can run it better. The Government can't even run the post office how are they going to run the top military in the world? Privatize the military before it is too late.

That is a terrible idea.

A military force that is run by not the government, but private enterprise, is a force that holds loyalty not to the United States, but to the person who signs their checks. They would become nothing more than guns for hire, and what happens when another country offers them more money?

"A military force that is run by not the government, but private enterprise, is a force that holds loyalty not to the United States, but to the person who signs their checks."

Why Does the Bush Administration Hate Our Troops?

Why Does the Bush Administration Hate Our Troops?

... has already proposed handing 300,000 additional military logistics jobs over to private contractors

The problem is that it's not the high-tech army taking care of those living conditions, but private industry on contract. For over a decade, the military has been shifting its supply and support personnel into combat jobs and hiring defense contractors to do the rest. And the process has accelerated under Defense Secretary Rumsfeld.

And despite the alleged wonders of private enterprise, those companies have left soldiers in filth, heat, and garbage.

etc etc etc

the Republican steadfastness for defense spending is not necessarily an exercise in patriotism at all ...

 

[Mr. Peepers]

So some of the defense contractors (of course, probably all close buddies of Cheney) that ROBBED US taxpayers blind during the wars might lose some jobs? Pardon me if I don't shed a tear. This is what happens when you outsource the military.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/graphics/Defense_Fraud_Report1.pdf

 

[Harry Dresden]

Cut the defense budget in HALF. Get these parasites off the government payroll. Use the money saved for things that benefit America - not warmongering.

a guy goes out and gets a job in the defense industry and now he is a parasite.....nice going Lakota....you sound just like those right wingers your always bad mouthing for saying the same thing......but then you dont have much Character anyway.....so i guess i shouldn't be surprised......

 

[Moonglow]

Nearly 600 more for the unemployment line. Just in time for the election. Explain this Obama!

Black Hawk maker cuts jobs as contractors, lawmakers fret over defense cuts

Sikorsky Aircraft Corp. – maker of the Black Hawk helicopter – has announced the elimination of 570 jobs, becoming the most recent defense contractor to announce financial struggles amid tightened defense spending and the potential for drastic cutbacks in January.

The Pentagon plans to cut $487 billion from its budget over the next decade, but contractors and lawmakers alike are alarmed about a separate wave of cuts that could begin Jan. 2 unless Congress and the White House team up to avert them.
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Northrop Grumman recently announced it was cutting 600 aerospace jobs. And the announcements come as House Republicans renew their calls for the Obama administration to reveal the full impact of the next wave of scheduled defense cuts. They're concerned specifically about guidance from the Labor Department over the summer that federal contractors would not have to give 60-days notice of mass layoffs despite a federal law that says companies facing such circumstances should.

The projected $500 billion in additional Pentagon cuts would be the result of so-called sequestration – the automatic spending reductions for the military and other areas that take effect because Congress failed to agree on a deficit-reduction plan this summer.

Black Hawk maker cuts jobs as contractors, lawmakers fret over d - DC Breaking Local News Weather Sports FOX 5 WTTG

When wars end, then the industry does not need the military hardware. Also the budget was cut by Oblama, isn't that what Rwer's wanted? You can't have it both ways.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Republicans agreed to sequestration. Defense contractors will squeal like stuck hogs. They've had a good run...

Way to avoid my comment so I must be in the ballpark.

Gee, are you offended that I didn't respond to your racist personal attack?

you dont respond when someone points out your racial bullshit either ....its called LACK OF CHARACTER.....

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Nearly 600 more for the unemployment line. Just in time for the election. Explain this Obama!

Your defen$e-buck$ at work, con$ervahawk$!!!​

November 12, 2012

Buck$ For BU$T​

"Christopher E. Kubasik, who was set to become Bethesda-based Lockheed Martin’s chief executive officer before abruptly resigning last week, will receive a $3.5 million separation payment.

According to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Kubasik will not be entitled to a separate bonus for 2012 and will forfeit any unvested stock options, unvested restricted stock units and long-term incentive performance awards for periods that have not been completed.

Kubasik was asked to resign last week after a company investigation uncovered a “lengthy, close, personal relationship” with a subordinate employee, according to Robert J. Stevens, the company’s chief executive. Marillyn A. Hewson, who was in line to become president and chief operating officer, is now set to become chief executive of the defense contractor, effective Jan. 1."

 

[SniperFire]

Things are going to crash hard - again.

 

[koshergrl]

It's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to balance the budget if we don't cut back on defense spending.

List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you aware that the U.S. spends 41% of the world's total defense expenditures? We spend $711 billion annually on defense. That's 5 times what the #2 country (China) spends on defense. How do you consider that sustainable, in the longterm? Particularly when we have a 1.6 trillion deficit?

Would it work in your house to keep spending money you didn't have as your debt continued to expand exponentially?

Some things you have to pay for regardless. Shelter for a human, defense for a country.

Without defense, there is no country.

Cut back welfare. Cut back housing subsidies. Cut back secret service. Cut back insurance.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Stop giving to the military, we all know private citizens can run it better. The Government can't even run the post office how are they going to run the top military in the world? Privatize the military before it is too late.

We've already tried that......

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