The Cost of Israel

[Marc39]

When was it that the Jews were the only people living in Palestine?

Open a history book, uneducated one.

The term "Palestine" was never used in ancient times. The correct terms are Canaan and Judea.

Jews originated in Canaan/Judea in at least 1300 BCE. Arabs originated from Arabia and invaded the land 2000 years later in 636 AD.

Your history lesson for the day, moron.

All that retarded blabber while you duck the question.

Historical accuracy from a Princeton grad, you stupid little boy

 

[P F Tinmore]

Open a history book, uneducated one.

The term "Palestine" was never used in ancient times. The correct terms are Canaan and Judea.

Jews originated in Canaan/Judea in at least 1300 BCE. Arabs originated from Arabia and invaded the land 2000 years later in 636 AD.

Your history lesson for the day, moron.

All that retarded blabber while you duck the question.

Historical accuracy from a Princeton grad, you stupid little boy

Is that why you are too stupid to answer any questions?

 

[Marc39]

All that retarded blabber while you duck the question.

Historical accuracy from a Princeton grad, you stupid little boy

Is that why you are too stupid to answer any questions?

You're as dumb as a wall and unable to understand my erudite answers, psycho boy

 

[P F Tinmore]

Historical accuracy from a Princeton grad, you stupid little boy

Is that why you are too stupid to answer any questions?

You're as dumb as a wall and unable to understand my erudite answers, psycho boy

I ask questions and and you always reply with an irrelevant song and dance.

 

[Marc39]

Is that why you are too stupid to answer any questions?

You're as dumb as a wall and unable to understand my erudite answers, psycho boy

I ask questions and and you always reply with an irrelevant song and dance.

Your mental illness is the problem. This, I cannot help.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You're as dumb as a wall and unable to understand my erudite answers, psycho boy

I ask questions and and you always reply with an irrelevant song and dance.

Your mental illness is the problem. This, I cannot help.

So, my mental illness keeps you from answering questions?

Interesting concept.

 

[Marc39]

I ask questions and and you always reply with an irrelevant song and dance.

Your mental illness is the problem. This, I cannot help.

So, my mental illness keeps you from answering questions?

Interesting concept.

In your dysfunctional mind, yes. My condolences.

 

[georgephillip]

"Conflicts in the Middle East have been very costly to the U.S., as well as to the rest of the world.

"An estimate of the total cost to the U.S. alone of instability and conflict in the region—which emanates from the core, Israeli-Palestinian conflict—amounts to close to $3 trillion, measured in 2002 dollars.

"This is an amount almost four times greater than the cost of the Vietnam war, also reckoned in 2002 dollars.

"Even this figure underestimates the costs because certain classes of expenditure remain unquantified.

"In particular, no reliable figure is available for the costs of 'Project Independence,' Washington's lavishly promoted effort to reduce U.S. dependence on oil from the Middle East.

"That effort, which was subverted early on by diverse local special interests, was designed primarily to insulate Israel from any new 'Arab oil weapon' after 1973/74, and may easily have cost $1 trillion.

"Even though the outlays were rationalized in the interest of 'national security,' however, they contributed little or nothing to reducing U.S. strategic dependence upon imported oil from the Middle East.

"Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total— also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs.

"Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts.

"In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."

The Cost...(P.15)http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/cost-new.pdf

 

[Marc39]

"Conflicts in the Middle East have been very costly to the U.S., as well as to the rest of the world.

The US has pissed away $1 TRILLION and thousands of American lives on the sub-human Iraqis

Very costly, indeed.

 

[Marc39]

"Support for Israel

Support for Israel is pro-American.

Four Star General and former National Security Advisor James Jones...

We will never forget that since the first minutes of Israeli independence, the United States has had a special relationship with Israel. And that will not change. Why? Because this is not a commitment of Democrats or Republicans; it is a national commitment based on shared values, deep and interwoven connections, and mutual interests

I can also say from long experience that our security relationship with Israel is important for America. Our military benefits from Israeli innovations in technology, from shared intelligence, from exercises that help our readiness and joint training that enhances our capabilities and from lessons learned in Israel's own battles against terrorism and asymmetric threats.

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy - Insight and Analysis on U.S. Middle East Policy

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Conflicts in the Middle East have been very costly to the U.S., as well as to the rest of the world.

The US has pissed away $1 TRILLION and thousands of American lives on the sub-human Iraqis

Very costly, indeed.

The US is not spending any money for Iraqis.

 

[Marc39]

"In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year.

Israel plows $15 billion to $20 billion into the American economy annually as one of the US's largest export markets, helping to save American jobs.

Arabs and Muslims slaughtered 3000 Americans on 9/11 and continue to do so in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world.

Office of the United States Trade Representative

U.S. goods exports [to Israel] in 2008 were $14.5 billion, up 11.3 percent from the previous year. Corresponding U.S. imports from Israel were $22.3 billion, up 7.4 percent. Israel is currently the 20th largest export market for U.S. goods.

Israel | Office of the United States Trade Representative

 

[Marc39]

"Conflicts in the Middle East have been very costly to the U.S., as well as to the rest of the world.

The US has pissed away $1 TRILLION and thousands of American lives on the sub-human Iraqis

Very costly, indeed.

The US is not spending any money for Iraqis.

Wrong, psycho. US foreign aid to Iraq is approx. $5 billion/yr.

 

[Marc39]

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ifamericansknew.org

Bogus website, uneducated one. That's why you're so stupid and why you're my bitch.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The US has pissed away $1 TRILLION and thousands of American lives on the sub-human Iraqis

Very costly, indeed.

The US is not spending any money for Iraqis.

Wrong, psycho. US foreign aid to Iraq is approx. $5 billion/yr.

Who, exactly, is getting that money?

 

[docmauser1]

The US is not spending any money for Iraqis.

Wrong, psycho. US foreign aid to Iraq is approx. $5 billion/yr.

Who, exactly, is getting that money?

Arabs, naturally.

 

[MikeK]

The Cost Of Arabs

Terrorist Attacks — Infoplease.com


1984 Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.

1985 April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986 April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.

1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.


2003 1
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.

2004 May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2005 Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.

2007 Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.
Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional
Council and the United Nations offices.

2008 May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.
June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.
July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.
Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.
Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.


2009 Feb. 9, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills four American soldiers and their Iraqi translator near a police checkpoint.
April 10, Iraq: a suicide attack kills five American soldiers and two Iraqi policemen.
Dec. 25: A Nigerian man on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit attempted to ignite an explosive device hidden in his underwear. The explosive device that failed to detonate was a mixture of powder and liquid that did not alert security personnel in the airport. The alleged bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, told officials later that he was directed by the terrorist group Al Qaeda. The suspect was already on the government's watch list when he attempted the bombing; his father, a respected Nigerian banker, had told the U.S. government that he was worried about his son's increased extremism.
Dec. 30, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills eight Americans civilians, seven of them CIA agents, at a base in Afghanistan. It's the deadliest attack on the agency since 9/11. The attacker is reportedly a double agent from Jordan who was acting on behalf of al-Qaeda.

2010 May 2, New York City: After discovering a bomb in a smoking vehicle parked in Times Square, authorities arrest Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani who recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen, and charge him with attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and several other federal charges. American officials later announce that the Pakistani Taliban likely played a role in the bomb plot, including training Shahzad.

How many of these terrorist attacks were not provoked by our aggressive presence in the Middle East, which primarily includes our protective posture toward Israel? Do you believe we would have been subjected to any of these attacks were we not defending Israel and promoting the oil industry's interests in the Middle East?

If you doubt the implication of my questions, read what Osama bin Laden had to say about it well in advance of the 9/11 attack:

(Excerpted from PBS Frontline (John Miller) 1998 interview with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan.)
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[. . .]We know at least one reason behind the symbolic participation of the Western forces and that is to support the Zionist plans for expansion of what is called the Greater Israel. Surely, their presence is not out of concern over their interests in the region. ... Their presence has no meaning save one and that is to offer support to the Jews in Palestine who are in need of their Christian brothers to achieve full control over the Arab Peninsula which they intend to make an important part of the so called Greater Israel. ...
frontline: hunting bin laden: who is bin laden?: interview with osama bin laden (in may 1998) | PBS

 

[MikeK]

Of course! Jews run area 51 mind bending rays and sunk the Titanic too, it's all old news. The latest news claim that, she sunk with a chief propshaft-screwdriver mate R. Corrie in a Gaza weapons-smuggling tunnel, never to be seen again. X-Files, that is.

If ad hominem sarcasm is your best response it's clear that you're lacking in substantive argument.

If I'm wrong, let's see what you have.

 

[docmauser1]

How many of these terrorist attacks were not provoked by our aggressive presence in the Middle East, which primarily includes our protective posture toward Israel? Do you believe we would have been subjected to any of these attacks were we not defending Israel and promoting the oil industry's interests in the Middle East?

"Islam was never a religion of tolerance and it is not tolerant by nature. Despite the way the apologists would like to depict it, Islam was spread by the sword and has been maintained by the sword throughout its history, not to mention the scourge and the cross. In truth it was the Arab empire that was spread by the sword and it is as an Arab empire that Islam is maintained to this day in the form of a religion largely invented to hold that empire together and subdue native populations. An unmitigated cultural disaster parading as God's will. Religious minorities were always second-class citizens in this empire and were only tolerated on sufferance and in abject deference to their Arab/Muslim masters; for polytheists and unbelievers there was no tolerance at all, it was conversion or death."
Ibn Al-Rawandi.
Anything else is just excuses, of course.

If you doubt the implication of my questions, read what Osama bin Laden had to say about it well in advance of the 9/11 attack:

I'm most sure interviewing Goebbels would've produced some stupendous garbage too.

 

[docmauser1]

Of course! Jews run area 51 mind bending rays and sunk the Titanic too, it's all old news. The latest news claim that, she sunk with a chief propshaft-screwdriver mate R. Corrie in a Gaza weapons-smuggling tunnel, never to be seen again. X-Files, that is.

If ad hominem sarcasm is your best response it's clear that you're lacking in substantive argument.

But jooze do run area 51 mind-bending rays and allthat, don't they?