The Cost of Israel

[Marc39]

According to you it was an accident. According to the survivors, every one of them, who experienced the attack, along with the the existing Secretary of State and Secretary of The Navy, it was no accident. Also, there has not been a Congressional investigation of that act of war. There have been a few bullshit hearings but never a formal investigation. Why? Mainly because of citizens like you who would support Israel regardless of its actions against the United States and who tolerate Congressional inertia where Israel is concerned.

Ahh, the Flying Dutchman, yet again, sailing these boards. We're pretty sure, iranians don't buy the story that, their airbus Flight IR655 was shot down, because the USS Vincennes mistook it for an Independence Day illegal alien ship, either.

Is the something you know about the attack on Liberty that these guys don't?

Israel attacked the US? That would not make a lot of sense, Georgie? Lay off the crack.

 

[georgephillip]

"On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel.

"The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it.

"Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public.

"The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died."

Figured out the difference between imports and exports yet?

USS Liberty Memorial

 

[Marc39]

"On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel.

"The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it.

"Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public.

"The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died."

Figured out the difference between imports and exports yet?

USS Liberty Memorial

You really think Israel intentionally attacked the US, Georgie? Lay off the crack.

 

[georgephillip]

Let's ask Lyndon, Princeton.

" * U.S. rescue attempts: At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled, according to the Liberty's senior Naval Security Group officer, Lieutenant Commander David Lewis. Lewis made an audio recording and later wrote about a meeting 6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis requested in his cabins: 'He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired. He told me that upon receipt of our SOS, aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified.

'"He said that the Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier, which was done.

'"RADM Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons.

"'These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled.

"'He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink.

"'This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies.

"'This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago.'"

USS Liberty - Wiki

 

[Marc39]

Let's ask Lyndon, Princeton.

" * U.S. rescue attempts: At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled, according to the Liberty's senior Naval Security Group officer, Lieutenant Commander David Lewis. Lewis made an audio recording and later wrote about a meeting 6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis requested in his cabins: 'He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired. He told me that upon receipt of our SOS, aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified.

'"He said that the Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier, which was done.

'"RADM Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons.

"'These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled.

"'He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink.

"'This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies.

"'This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago.'"

USS Liberty - Wiki

Jihadi Georgie, not a peep from you about your cohorts in Hizballah murdering 300 Marines in Beirut and not being brought to justice...
1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[docmauser1]

According to you it was an accident. According to the survivors, every one of them, who experienced the attack, along with the the existing Secretary of State and Secretary of The Navy, it was no accident. Also, there has not been a Congressional investigation of that act of war. There have been a few bullshit hearings but never a formal investigation. Why? Mainly because of citizens like you who would support Israel regardless of its actions against the United States and who tolerate Congressional inertia where Israel is concerned.

Ahh, the Flying Dutchman, yet again, sailing these boards. We're pretty sure, iranians don't buy the story that, their airbus Flight IR655 was shot down, because the USS Vincennes mistook it for an Independence Day illegal alien ship, either.

Is the something you know about the attack on Liberty that these guys don't?

Of course! Jews run area 51 mind bending rays and sunk the Titanic too, it's all old news. The latest news claim that, she sunk with a chief propshaft-screwdriver mate R. Corrie in a Gaza weapons-smuggling tunnel, never to be seen again. X-Files, that is.

 

[georgephillip]

"Nor do the figures above include any of the indirect financial costs of
Israel to the United States, which cannot be tallied.

"One example is the cost
to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, surely in the billions of dollars by
now.

"Another example is the cost to U.S. consumers of the price of petroleum,
which surged to such heights that it set off a world-wide recession during
the Arab oil boycott imposed in reaction to U.S. support of Israel in the
1973 war.


"Other examples are a portion of the costs of maintaining large U.S. Sixth
Fleet naval forces in the Mediterranean, primarily to protect Israel, and military
air units at the Aviano base in Italy, not to mention the staggering costs
of frequent deployments to the Arabian Peninsula and Gulf area of land and
air forces from the United States and naval units from the Seventh Fleet,
which normally operates in the Pacific Ocean."

Costs

 

[Marc39]

"Nor do the figures above include any of the indirect financial costs of
Israel to the United States, which cannot be tallied.

"One example is the cost
to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, surely in the billions of dollars by
now.

"Another example is the cost to U.S. consumers of the price of petroleum,
which surged to such heights that it set off a world-wide recession during
the Arab oil boycott imposed in reaction to U.S. support of Israel in the
1973 war.


"Other examples are a portion of the costs of maintaining large U.S. Sixth
Fleet naval forces in the Mediterranean, primarily to protect Israel, and military
air units at the Aviano base in Italy, not to mention the staggering costs
of frequent deployments to the Arabian Peninsula and Gulf area of land and
air forces from the United States and naval units from the Seventh Fleet,
which normally operates in the Pacific Ocean."

Costs

Letter to Barack Obama from 50 US military leaders on Israel as a key ally and strategic partner...

Israel as a Security Asset for the United States
We, the undersigned, have traveled to Israel over the years with The Jewish
Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). We brought with us our
decades of military experience and, following unrestricted access to
Israel's civilian and military leaders, came away with the unswerving belief
that the security of the State of Israel is a matter of great importance to
the United States and its policy in the Middle East and Eastern
Mediterranean. A strong, secure Israel is an asset upon which American
military planners and political leaders can rely. Israel is a democracy - a
rare and precious commodity in the region - and Israel shares our commitment
to freedom, personal liberty and rule of law.

Throughout our travels and our talks, the determination of Israelis to
protect their country and to pursue a fair and workable peace with their
neighbors was clearly articulated. Thus we view the current tension between
the United States and Israel with dismay and grave concern that political
differences may be allowed to outweigh our larger mutual interests.

As American defense professionals, we view events in the Middle East through
the prism of American security interests.

The United States and Israel established security cooperation during the
Cold War, and today the two countries face the common threat of terrorism by
those who fear freedom and liberty. Historically close cooperation between
the United States. and Israel at all levels including the IDF, military
research and development, shared intelligence and bilateral military
training exercises enhances the security of both countries. American police
and law enforcement officials have reaped the benefit of close cooperation
with Israeli professionals in the areas of domestic counter-terrorism
practices and first response to terrorist attacks.

Israel and the United States are drawn together by shared values and shared
threats to our well-being.

The proliferation of weapons and nuclear technology across the Middle East
and Asia, and the ballistic missile technology to deliver systems across
wide areas require cooperation in intelligence, technology and security
policy. Terrorism, as well as the origins of financing, training and
executing terrorist acts, need to be addressed multilaterally when possible.
The dissemination of hatred and support of terrorism by violent extremists
in the name of Islam, whether state or non-state actors, must be addressed
as a threat to global peace.

In the Middle East, a volatile region so vital to U.S. interests, it would
be foolish to disengage - or denigrate - an ally such as Israel.

Lieutenant General Mark Anderson, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral Charles Beers, USN (ret.)
General William Begert, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral Stanley W. Bryant, USN (ret.)
Lieutenant General Anthony Burshnick, USAF (ret.)
Lieutenant General Paul Cerjan, USA (ret.)
Admiral Leon Edney, USN (ret.)
Brigadier General William F. Engel, USA (ret.)
Major General Bobby Floyd, USAF (ret.)
General John Foss, USA (ret.)
Major General Paul Fratarangelo, USMC (ret.)
Major General David Grange, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Tom Griffin, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Earl Hailston, USMC (ret.)
Lieutenant General John Hall, USAF (ret.)
General Alfred Hansen, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral James Hinkle, USN (ret.)
General Hal Hornburg, USAF (ret.)
Major General James T. Jackson, USA (ret.)
Admiral Jerome Johnson, USN (ret.)
Rear Admiral Herb Kaler, USN (ret.)
Vice Admiral Bernard Kauderer, USN (ret.)
General William F. Kernan, USA (ret.)
Major General Homer Long, USA (ret.)
Major General Jarvis Lynch, USMC (ret.)
General Robert Magnus, USMC (ret.)
Lieutenant General Charles May, Jr., USAF (ret.)
Vice Admiral Martin Mayer, USN (ret.)
Major General James McCombs, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Fred McCorkle, USMC (ret.)
Rear Admiral W. F. Merlin, USCG (ret.)
Rear Admiral Mark Milliken, USN (ret.)
Rear Admiral Riley Mixson, USN (ret.)
Major General William Moore, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Carol Mutter, USMC (ret.)
Major General Larry T. Northington, USAF (ret.)
Lieutenant General Tad Oelstrom, USAF (ret.)
Major General James D. Parker, USA (ret.)
Vice Admiral J. T. Parker, USN (ret.)
Major General Robert Patterson, USAF (ret.)
Vice Admiral James Perkins, USN (ret.)
Rear Admiral Brian Peterman, USCG (ret.)
Lieutenant General Alan V. Rogers, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral Richard Rybacki, USCG (ret.)
General Crosbie Saint, USA (ret.)
Rear Admiral Norm Saunders, USCG (ret.)
General Lawrence Skantze, USAF (ret.)
Major General Sid Shachnow, USA (ret.)
Rear Admiral Jeremy Taylor, USN (ret.)
Major General Larry Taylor, USMCR (ret.)
Lieutenant General Lanny Trapp, USAF (ret.)
Vice Admiral Jerry O. Tuttle, USN (ret.)
General Louis Wagner, USA (ret.)
Rear Admiral Thomas Wilson, USN (ret.)
Lieutenant General Robert Winglass, USMC (ret.)
Rear Admiral Guy Zeller, USN (ret.)
"Israel as a Security Asset for the United States" | The Weekly Standard

 

[georgephillip]

How many millionaires/billionaires in that long list of greedy war whores.

Try harder, "Princeton".

 

[georgephillip]

"One of the myths that many Americans still believe is that the initial war
between the Arabs and Israelis broke out on May 15, 1948 when the British
withdrew and military units from Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Syria entered
Palestine, allegedly because the Arabs had rejected a partition plan that the
Israelis accepted.

"In fact, the fighting began almost six months earlier, immediately after
the partition plan was announced. By the time the Arab armies intervened in
May, some 400,000 Palestinians already had fled or been driven from their
homes.

"To the Arab nations the military forces they sent to Palestine were on
a rescue mission to halt the dispossession of Palestinians from the areas the
U.N. had awarded to both the Jewish and the Palestinian Arab state.

"In fact history has revealed that the Jordanian forces had orders not to venture into
areas the U.N. had awarded to Israel."

"Although the newly created Israeli government didn’t formally reject
the partition plan, in practice it never accepted the plan. To this day, half a century later,(1998) Israel still refuses to define its borders.

"In fact, when the fighting of 1947 and 1948 ended, the State of Israel
occupied half of Jerusalem and 78 percent of the former mandate of
Palestine.

"About 750,000 Muslim and Christian Palestinians had been driven
from towns, villages and homes to which the Israeli forces never allowed
them to return.

The Cost of Israel PP 3-4

 

[P F Tinmore]

Let's ask Lyndon, Princeton.

" * U.S. rescue attempts: At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled, according to the Liberty's senior Naval Security Group officer, Lieutenant Commander David Lewis. Lewis made an audio recording and later wrote about a meeting 6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis requested in his cabins: 'He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired. He told me that upon receipt of our SOS, aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified.

'"He said that the Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier, which was done.

'"RADM Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons.

"'These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled.

"'He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink.

"'This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies.

"'This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago.'"

USS Liberty - Wiki

Jihadi Georgie, not a peep from you about your cohorts in Hizballah murdering 300 Marines in Beirut and not being brought to justice...
1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Killing foreign troops is perfectly legal. It is not murder.

 

[Marc39]

How many millionaires/billionaires in that long list of greedy war whores.

Try harder, "Princeton".

Out of gas, already, Jihadi Georgie?

50 high-ranking US military leaders attest to President Obama to Israel's importance as a US ally and strategic defensive asset.

You, on the other hand, attest to the brain damage caused by a worthless bum like you sitting in your room masturbating all day.

Israel as a Security Asset for the United States

We, the undersigned, have traveled to Israel over the years with The Jewish
Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). We brought with us our
decades of military experience and, following unrestricted access to
Israel's civilian and military leaders, came away with the unswerving belief
that the security of the State of Israel is a matter of great importance to
the United States and its policy in the Middle East and Eastern
Mediterranean. A strong, secure Israel is an asset upon which American
military planners and political leaders can rely. Israel is a democracy - a
rare and precious commodity in the region - and Israel shares our commitment
to freedom, personal liberty and rule of law.

Throughout our travels and our talks, the determination of Israelis to
protect their country and to pursue a fair and workable peace with their
neighbors was clearly articulated. Thus we view the current tension between
the United States and Israel with dismay and grave concern that political
differences may be allowed to outweigh our larger mutual interests.

As American defense professionals, we view events in the Middle East through
the prism of American security interests.

The United States and Israel established security cooperation during the
Cold War, and today the two countries face the common threat of terrorism by
those who fear freedom and liberty. Historically close cooperation between
the United States. and Israel at all levels including the IDF, military
research and development, shared intelligence and bilateral military
training exercises enhances the security of both countries. American police
and law enforcement officials have reaped the benefit of close cooperation
with Israeli professionals in the areas of domestic counter-terrorism
practices and first response to terrorist attacks.

Israel and the United States are drawn together by shared values and shared
threats to our well-being.

The proliferation of weapons and nuclear technology across the Middle East
and Asia, and the ballistic missile technology to deliver systems across
wide areas require cooperation in intelligence, technology and security
policy. Terrorism, as well as the origins of financing, training and
executing terrorist acts, need to be addressed multilaterally when possible.
The dissemination of hatred and support of terrorism by violent extremists
in the name of Islam, whether state or non-state actors, must be addressed
as a threat to global peace.

In the Middle East, a volatile region so vital to U.S. interests, it would
be foolish to disengage - or denigrate - an ally such as Israel.

__________________________________________________________



Lieutenant General Mark Anderson, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral Charles Beers, USN (ret.)
General William Begert, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral Stanley W. Bryant, USN (ret.)
Lieutenant General Anthony Burshnick, USAF (ret.)
Lieutenant General Paul Cerjan, USA (ret.)
Admiral Leon Edney, USN (ret.)
Brigadier General William F. Engel, USA (ret.)
Major General Bobby Floyd, USAF (ret.)
General John Foss, USA (ret.)
Major General Paul Fratarangelo, USMC (ret.)
Major General David Grange, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Tom Griffin, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Earl Hailston, USMC (ret.)
Lieutenant General John Hall, USAF (ret.)
General Alfred Hansen, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral James Hinkle, USN (ret.)
General Hal Hornburg, USAF (ret.)
Major General James T. Jackson, USA (ret.)
Admiral Jerome Johnson, USN (ret.)
Rear Admiral Herb Kaler, USN (ret.)
Vice Admiral Bernard Kauderer, USN (ret.)
General William F. Kernan, USA (ret.)
Major General Homer Long, USA (ret.)
Major General Jarvis Lynch, USMC (ret.)
General Robert Magnus, USMC (ret.)
Lieutenant General Charles May, Jr., USAF (ret.)
Vice Admiral Martin Mayer, USN (ret.)
Major General James McCombs, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Fred McCorkle, USMC (ret.)
Rear Admiral W. F. Merlin, USCG (ret.)
Rear Admiral Mark Milliken, USN (ret.)
Rear Admiral Riley Mixson, USN (ret.)
Major General William Moore, USA (ret.)
Lieutenant General Carol Mutter, USMC (ret.)
Major General Larry T. Northington, USAF (ret.)
Lieutenant General Tad Oelstrom, USAF (ret.)
Major General James D. Parker, USA (ret.)
Vice Admiral J. T. Parker, USN (ret.)
Major General Robert Patterson, USAF (ret.)
Vice Admiral James Perkins, USN (ret.)
Rear Admiral Brian Peterman, USCG (ret.)
Lieutenant General Alan V. Rogers, USAF (ret.)
Rear Admiral Richard Rybacki, USCG (ret.)
General Crosbie Saint, USA (ret.)
Rear Admiral Norm Saunders, USCG (ret.)
General Lawrence Skantze, USAF (ret.)
Major General Sid Shachnow, USA (ret.)
Rear Admiral Jeremy Taylor, USN (ret.)
Major General Larry Taylor, USMCR (ret.)
Lieutenant General Lanny Trapp, USAF (ret.)
Vice Admiral Jerry O. Tuttle, USN (ret.)
General Louis Wagner, USA (ret.)
Rear Admiral Thomas Wilson, USN (ret.)
Lieutenant General Robert Winglass, USMC (ret.)
Rear Admiral Guy Zeller, USN (ret.)

"Israel as a Security Asset for the United States" | The Weekly Standard

 

[P F Tinmore]

"One of the myths that many Americans still believe is that the initial war
between the Arabs and Israelis broke out on May 15, 1948 when the British
withdrew and military units from Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Syria entered
Palestine, allegedly because the Arabs had rejected a partition plan that the
Israelis accepted.

"In fact, the fighting began almost six months earlier, immediately after
the partition plan was announced. By the time the Arab armies intervened in
May, some 400,000 Palestinians already had fled or been driven from their
homes.

"To the Arab nations the military forces they sent to Palestine were on
a rescue mission to halt the dispossession of Palestinians from the areas the
U.N. had awarded to both the Jewish and the Palestinian Arab state.

"In fact history has revealed that the Jordanian forces had orders not to venture into
areas the U.N. had awarded to Israel."

"Although the newly created Israeli government didn’t formally reject
the partition plan, in practice it never accepted the plan. To this day, half a century later,(1998) Israel still refuses to define its borders.

"In fact, when the fighting of 1947 and 1948 ended, the State of Israel
occupied half of Jerusalem and 78 percent of the former mandate of
Palestine.

"About 750,000 Muslim and Christian Palestinians had been driven
from towns, villages and homes to which the Israeli forces never allowed
them to return.

The Cost of Israel PP 3-4

All of those countries set up defensive forces (as meager as they were) around Palestine civilian population areas. None of them attacked Israel. They did manage to keep Israel from taking over the entire country which was Israel's plan.

 

[Marc39]

All of those countries set up defensive forces (as meager as they were) around Palestine civilian population areas.

Er, Tin Head...

"The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate"
Middle East historian Bernard Lewis

 

[P F Tinmore]

All of those countries set up defensive forces (as meager as they were) around Palestine civilian population areas.

Er, Tin Head...

"The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate"
Middle East historian Bernard Lewis

And Israel has been at war with a non existing enemy for over sixty years and has not won yet.

 

[Marc39]

All of those countries set up defensive forces (as meager as they were) around Palestine civilian population areas.

Er, Tin Head...

"The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate"
Middle East historian Bernard Lewis

And Israel has been at war with a non existing enemy for over sixty years and has not won yet.

You have been at war with your damaged mind.

"Oh, Allah, Kill All Jews"
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rls9eRKyo[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Er, Tin Head...

"The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formally abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate"
Middle East historian Bernard Lewis

And Israel has been at war with a non existing enemy for over sixty years and has not won yet.

You have been at war with your damaged mind.

"Oh, Allah, Kill All Jews"
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rls9eRKyo[/ame]

Not to worry. Palestinians do not exist.

 

[docmauser1]

And Israel has been at war with a non existing haveenemy for over sixty years and has not won yet.[/szie]

Actually, I have no doubts this view is widespread in arab countries, given their abysmal ignorance, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Not to worry. Palestinians do not exist.

Very much true, indeed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And Israel has been at war with a non existing haveenemy for over sixty years and has not won yet.[/szie]

Actually, I have no doubts this view is widespread in arab countries, given their abysmal ignorance, of course.

Check out the borders of Palestine. They have not changed an inch since 1922,