The Cosmological Arguments for God's Existence

[james bond]

ou are not the first to ask those questions - then leave them unresolved, child. and imply a profanity where there is none.

It's not just the animals, but the reason given for Noah's flood. It seems incredulous of bene elohim or sons of God, i.e. angels mating with beautiful human women and producing offspring. Also, everyone had become evil and the weak were helpless. People lived much longer than today. Why God killed everything besides humans including the dinosaurs is the least of it, but one of those mysterious things. We should be able to find more evidence of what the world was like before the flood even though the waters jumbled things up. The fossil evidence should be there for life before the flood. However, the fossil evidence is made to fit evolution. It may have meant a fresh start for the next generation of humans, but we still live in a fallen world.

 

[BreezeWood]

God brought the Flood not because man was a disappointment, but because man was so violent and did nothing but evil continually. The simple truth seems to me is that unless GOD saved Noah and his family, there would have been no one left to save, and GOD could not allow that.

Ok. So God was ticked off at man. What did he have against the chickens. He killed them as well, you know. What did the cows do wrong, and the llamas? And why not do it to the fish? Are fish somehow less sinful than hamsters?

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Ok. So God was ticked off at man. What did he have against the chickens. He killed them as well, you know.

you know.

they turned the religion of antiquity into a macabre nursery rhyme for children - your one of them ...

Well, you know... if my choice is to be like a child or an ass, I'll take the child. I'll live with my choice, you live with yours.

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Well, you know... if my choice is to be like a child or an ass, I'll take the child. I'll live with my choice, you live with yours.

Ok. So God was ticked off at man. What did he have against the chickens. He killed them as well, you know. What did the cows do wrong, and the llamas? And why not do it to the fish? Are fish somehow less sinful than hamsters?

you are not the first to ask those questions - then leave them unresolved, child. and imply a profanity where there is none.

And you are not the first to think arrogance and wisdom are the same thing. Have a good life.

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And you are not the first to think arrogance and wisdom are the same thing. Have a good life.

where's the quote - it's the one displayed by you.

 

[BreezeWood]

ou are not the first to ask those questions - then leave them unresolved, child. and imply a profanity where there is none.

It's not just the animals, but the reason given for Noah's flood. It seems incredulous of bene elohim or sons of God, i.e. angels mating with beautiful human women and producing offspring. Also, everyone had become evil and the weak were helpless. People lived much longer than today. Why God killed everything besides humans including the dinosaurs is the least of it, but one of those mysterious things. We should be able to find more evidence of what the world was like before the flood even though the waters jumbled things up. The fossil evidence should be there for life before the flood. However, the fossil evidence is made to fit evolution. It may have meant a fresh start for the next generation of humans, but we still live in a fallen world.

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Why God killed everything besides humans including the dinosaurs is the least of it, but one of those mysterious things.

such is the thought of a corrupt mind -

the truth is only humans were the victims save the few yet worthy of life, saved before the full extinction of humanity that was imminent you are misguided by your book into false conclusions.

the evidence you claim to be missing is the evidence no other lives were taken, a storm of short duration, proof of the forged accounting that is in fact senseless and unnecessary, rendering a false deity.

 

[james bond]

such is the thought of a corrupt mind -

the truth is only humans were the victims save the few yet worthy of life, saved before the full extinction of humanity that was imminent you are misguided by your book into false conclusions.

the evidence you claim to be missing is the evidence no other lives were taken, a storm of short duration, proof of the forged accounting that is in fact senseless and unnecessary, rendering a false deity.

So much for your book of antiquity.

What's a good website to get more information on the times before Noah's Flood? I'm trying to get other leads.

This one has little Jewish people -- Noah's Ark and the Flood. Notice the God warnings sent and no mention of bene elohim, but it does explain no trace were to survive from the wicked age. Did your people go through an evil period?

 

[Hollie]

ou are not the first to ask those questions - then leave them unresolved, child. and imply a profanity where there is none.

It's not just the animals, but the reason given for Noah's flood. It seems incredulous of bene elohim or sons of God, i.e. angels mating with beautiful human women and producing offspring. Also, everyone had become evil and the weak were helpless. People lived much longer than today. Why God killed everything besides humans including the dinosaurs is the least of it, but one of those mysterious things. We should be able to find more evidence of what the world was like before the flood even though the waters jumbled things up. The fossil evidence should be there for life before the flood. However, the fossil evidence is made to fit evolution. It may have meant a fresh start for the next generation of humans, but we still live in a fallen world.

There were dinosaurs 6,000 years ago?

What fossil evidence is meant to fit evolution? You make baseless claims.

 

[james bond]

You make baseless claims.

The pre-flood evidence is there, but ignored by secular scientists because it doesn't fit evolution. I don't have translation for this.

 

[diver52]

ou are not the first to ask those questions - then leave them unresolved, child. and imply a profanity where there is none.

It's not just the animals, but the reason given for Noah's flood. It seems incredulous of bene elohim or sons of God, i.e. angels mating with beautiful human women and producing offspring. Also, everyone had become evil and the weak were helpless. People lived much longer than today. Why God killed everything besides humans including the dinosaurs is the least of it, but one of those mysterious things. We should be able to find more evidence of what the world was like before the flood even though the waters jumbled things up. The fossil evidence should be there for life before the flood. However, the fossil evidence is made to fit evolution. It may have meant a fresh start for the next generation of humans, but we still live in a fallen world.

So God's plan failed.

 

[james bond]

We have Atlantis the lost continent thesis.



Here's one off Brazil.

 

[james bond]

So God's plan failed.

Too much sin. It's incredulous to believe people were evil everywhere. We also lived on one supercontinent.

 

[BreezeWood]

So God's plan failed.

Too much sin. It's incredulous to believe people were evil everywhere. We also lived on one supercontinent.

It covered the peaks of the highest mountains ... the Ark came to rest upon the mountains of Ararat, after it had been afloat for seven months.

is there oxygen sufficient to breath above the highest mountain top - for 7 months ... without plants O2. . - your version is a nursery rhyme for the mentally disabled ...

G‑d blessed Noah and his sons with the same blessing He had given Adam and Eve, giving them power over all living creatures.

that was where I stopped reading verbatim the christian bible, to remain free from its evil, not so christians ... interesting they reproduced their forgery for some inexplicable reason.

It's not just the animals, but the reason given for Noah's flood.

and what reason was that bond - that includes the murder of all life - but the "random selection" of a few than the humans.

the reason was a reiteration of the "existing" religion, the triumph of good vs evil, the means for remission to the Everlasting. nothing more, there is nothing more - there is no messiah - your messiah, correctly attributed only removed the barrier of "original" sin (what you believe) as you claim, they can not remove actual sins and not any committed after their death ... the other desert religions are as guilty as yours in the forgeries and fallacies of their books as well.

So God's plan failed.

the conditions set for a&e's discretion, and where it led humanity - is humanities failure.

of the prescription, the original religion of antiquity, they simply will not intervene again before its conclusion.

 

[Hollie]

You make baseless claims.

The pre-flood evidence is there, but ignored by secular scientists because it doesn't fit evolution. I don't have translation for this.

Why are you floating silly conspiracy theories about evidence you claim is being ignored by evolutionist atheist scientists?

Have you considered forwarding your YouTube video to the National Science Foundation?

 

[Hollie]

We have Atlantis the lost continent thesis.



Here's one off Brazil.

How does the all-knowing, all-seeing science text, sometimes called the bible, explain this?

 

[ding]

The cosmological arguments for God's existence are predicated on the first principles of ontology, i.e., the fundamental facts of existence per the imperatives of logic. Many fail to appreciate the intermediate premises of these arguments, particularly those of the KCA.


The following includes my own sub-premises for the first premise and my summary argument for the conclusion:

The Kalam Cosmological Argument (Horizontal Argument)

1. That which begins to exist must have a cause of its existence.

1.1. Something exists.

1.2. Existence from nonexistence is absurd.

1.3. Something has always existed.
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2. The universe began to exist.

Argument based on the impossibility of an actual infinite.
2.11. An actual infinite cannot exist.
2.12. An infinite temporal regress of events is an actual infinite.
2.13. Therefore, an infinite temporal regress of events cannot exist.

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Argument based on the impossibility of the formation of an actual infinite by successive addition.
2.21. A collection formed by successive addition cannot be actually infinite.
2.22. The temporal series of past events is a collection formed by successive addition.
2.23. Therefore, the temporal series of past events cannot be actually infinite.​

3. The universe has a cause of its existence.

3.1. If the cause of the universe's existence were impersonal, it would be operationally mechanical.

3.2. An operationally mechanical cause would be a material existent.

3.3. The causal conditions for the effect of an operationally mechanical cause would be given from eternity.

3.4. But a material existent is a contingent entity of continuous change and causality!

3.5. An infinite temporal series of past causal events cannot be traversed to the present.

3.6. Indeed, an actual infinite cannot exist.

3.7. Hence, a temporal existent cannot have a beginningless past.

3.8. Hence, time began to exist.

3.9. A material existent is a temporal existent.

3.10. Hence, materiality began to exist.

3.11. The universe is a material existent.

3.12. Hence, the universe began to exist.

3.13. Hence, the cause of the universe's existence cannot be material (per 3.10.).

3.14. Hence, the cause of the universe's existence cannot be operationally mechanical (per 3.2., 3.10.).

3.15. Hence, the eternally self-subsistent cause of the universe's existence is wholly transcendent: timeless, immaterial and immutable (3.13.).

3.16. The only kind of timeless entity that could cause the beginning of time sans any external, predetermining causal conditions would be a personal agent of free will (per 3.3., 3.14.).

3.17. Hence, the eternally self-subsistent cause of the universe's existence is a personal agent of free will.


The Vertical Cosmological Argument​

1. If something exists, there must exist what it takes for that thing to exist.
2. The universe—the collection of beings in space and time—exists.
3. Therefore, there must exist what it takes for the universe to exist.
4. What it takes for the universe to exist cannot exist within the universe or be bounded by space and time.
5. Therefore, what it takes for the universe to exist must transcend both space and time.

Guessing that you never read Spinoza?

Have you?

Because if you are arguing he should believe as Spinoza, then shouldn't you believe as Spinoza before you hold someone else to a standard that you yourself do not adhere to?

 

[badger2]

No, existence from non-existence is not only not absurd, it's what happened, Einstein. Also, there is no transcendence of both space and time, and that's why god is impossible as an existing entity immune from space and time.

 

[Ringtone]

No, existence from non-existence is not only not absurd, it's what happened.

Also, there is no transcendence of both space and time, and that's why god is impossible as an existing entity immune from space and time.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, existence from non-existence is not only not absurd, it's what happened.

Also, there is no transcendence of both space and time, and that's why god is impossible as an existing entity immune from space and time.

An appropriate response to your magical assertions, of which you could not possibly know the truth, and which you claim with 100% certainty. In fact, "nuh uh!" suffices just fine as a counter to your magical nonsense.

 

[badger2]

It may be a magical assertion, though it's a better one than a magical, non-existent Entity hovering in the ethers. Post #696 did not include god's impossibility in the post, which means that we may have gotten at least one thing right Right? We will claim that the Miller-Urey volcanic spark experiment is what we base our claim upon. When we say "That is what happened," of course, Halloween Breath, no one knows for sure. It could happen, it's possible, that Einstein gets off its lazy rump and gathers the stones to agree that inorganic amino acids are a beginning to something. duh

 

[badger2]

For years after having posted it, no USMB organism has replied in addressing the Miller-Urey experiment. Prove bager2 incorrect by posting that thread to this thread.

 

[ding]

No, existence from non-existence is not only not absurd, it's what happened, Einstein. Also, there is no transcendence of both space and time, and that's why god is impossible as an existing entity immune from space and time.

And yet the laws of nature or instructions for how matter and energy behaves existed before our existence.

You erroneously assume that before our existence existed that no existence could exist before that. Since we know the laws of nature were in place we know something existed before our existence.

Our existence began with the creation of our space and time. Just because there was a point where our existence did not exist, that doesn't mean that something didn't exist before it.

 

[Erinwltr]

No, existence from non-existence is not only not absurd, it's what happened, Einstein. Also, there is no transcendence of both space and time, and that's why god is impossible as an existing entity immune from space and time.

And yet the laws of nature or instructions for how matter and energy behaves existed before our existence.

You erroneously assume that before our existence existed that no existence could exist before that. Since we know the laws of nature were in place we know something existed before our existence.

Our existence began with the creation of our space and time. Just because there was a point where our existence did not exist, that doesn't mean that something didn't exist before it.

LMAO!

"And yet the laws of nature or instructions for how matter and energy behaves existed before our existence. "

You don't know that.