The Constitution is a Con Game

[BULLDOG]

As an American we have more rights than any other individual on earth. Having been outside the United States and seen how others live I understand that. I also witnessed how ugly Americans can behave in foreign lands in their attitudes toward those they consider beneath them. As an officer I did what I could to at least try to get through to my own men but that was only a drop in the ocean but it has to start somewhere. Despite what politicians say "character does matter" and if you want to reach people you have to treat them the way you would treat your own family members.

I saw G.I.s hang out car windows to slap local girls on the rear. I asked my men how they would react if they saw Communist Chinese soldiers do that to their sisters on the streets of their home towns and they would have been outraged so I asked why would you do it in a foreign country? I tried to teach these young guys just because you can do something does not mean it is OK because you are an American and you think you are doing it in fun. In a foreign country it can cost you your life.

With rights come obligations as rights are not free. They have been paid for in blood and I have friends that paid that price. You don't have to believe it or accept it but many millions know better. Me, I don't care about politics, oil, economics, but family and freedom. Touch those and your prospects of living to a ripe old age are slime and none. As I have said before, my father was a First Sgt. in WWII and he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk. By the time I entered college I had memorized the kill and wounding radiuses of all the mortar and artillery rounds in current use in the U.S. Army. In 1969 I started studying Gung Fu at Arkansas State Teachers College (under a former black U.S. Army Officer who volunteered his time to train our "Counter Insurgency Unit" run by the Special Forces in hand to hand combat as he was a specialist in open hand combat) to now Arkansas State University before transferring to Eastern New Mexico University where I graduated at the top of my ROTC class in military tactics. If one wants to be free one MUST be prepared to at any moment to defend that freedom be it from and outside force or an internal force seeking to take away our freedoms. The threat from those within our own society who would wish to take away our rights and freedoms is just as real as those from the outside. I laugh at the libtards with their panties all in a twist over AR15 when any trained soldier knows the most feared many on any battlefield is the one trained with a scoped sighted sniper rifle which is usually bolt action. Be he a trained sniper, a designated marksman, or just a very well trained civilian in long range shooting along with, observation, field craft, escape and evasion, and camouflage he can reap great damage all out of proportion on a much larger force.

I agree with much of what you say, but most civilian gun crimes are not done by a trained sniper at a distance. They are done at reasonably close rage by someone with little or no training, and who almost indiscriminately puts as much lead in the air as possible.

 

[Deleted member 61768]

As an American we have more rights than any other individual on earth. Having been outside the United States and seen how others live I understand that. I also witnessed how ugly Americans can behave in foreign lands in their attitudes toward those they consider beneath them. As an officer I did what I could to at least try to get through to my own men but that was only a drop in the ocean but it has to start somewhere. Despite what politicians say "character does matter" and if you want to reach people you have to treat them the way you would treat your own family members.

I saw G.I.s hang out car windows to slap local girls on the rear. I asked my men how they would react if they saw Communist Chinese soldiers do that to their sisters on the streets of their home towns and they would have been outraged so I asked why would you do it in a foreign country? I tried to teach these young guys just because you can do something does not mean it is OK because you are an American and you think you are doing it in fun. In a foreign country it can cost you your life.

With rights come obligations as rights are not free. They have been paid for in blood and I have friends that paid that price. You don't have to believe it or accept it but many millions know better. Me, I don't care about politics, oil, economics, but family and freedom. Touch those and your prospects of living to a ripe old age are slime and none. As I have said before, my father was a First Sgt. in WWII and he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk. By the time I entered college I had memorized the kill and wounding radiuses of all the mortar and artillery rounds in current use in the U.S. Army. In 1969 I started studying Gung Fu at Arkansas State Teachers College (under a former black U.S. Army Officer who volunteered his time to train our "Counter Insurgency Unit" run by the Special Forces in hand to hand combat as he was a specialist in open hand combat) to now Arkansas State University before transferring to Eastern New Mexico University where I graduated at the top of my ROTC class in military tactics. If one wants to be free one MUST be prepared to at any moment to defend that freedom be it from and outside force or an internal force seeking to take away our freedoms. The threat from those within our own society who would wish to take away our rights and freedoms is just as real as those from the outside. I laugh at the libtards with their panties all in a twist over AR15 when any trained soldier knows the most feared many on any battlefield is the one trained with a scoped sighted sniper rifle which is usually bolt action. Be he a trained sniper, a designated marksman, or just a very well trained civilian in long range shooting along with, observation, field craft, escape and evasion, and camouflage he can reap great damage all out of proportion on a much larger force.

I agree with much of what you say, but most civilian gun crimes are not done by a trained sniper at a distance. They are done at reasonably close rage by someone with little or no training, and who almost indiscriminately puts as much lead in the air as possible.

Then that person should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for their crime. The problem is in this country like in Chicago due to the liberal courts, judges, and politicians they are NOT. The Gangs are running wild on the streets caring illegal guns but when they commit gun crimes they are back on the street many times faster that the police that arrested them finish the paperwork. Look up on the internet how many times people are arrested for violent drug and gun crimes, released and re-arrested only to be re-released again onto the streets. If you commit a crime with a gun you should not be released but held for trial period! Many gangs are made of illegal aliens so they get automatically released because Chicago is a "sanctuary city" rather than have these gang banging criminals deported they are released back on your American streets. American lives don't matter because if they did why do American politicians keep releasing Criminal Felons back onto American streets time after time? Get It? We are not talking about chamber maids and gardeners we are talking about gang bangers, drug traffickers, rapists, Child Molesters, Human Traffickers, and Armed Robbers here and they are routinely released back on American streets rather than held and reported to Federal Authorities!!! A people wonder why more people die on the streets of Chicago than in Baghdad, Iraq? It is because the Democratic Machine that has dominated the city of Chicago most of the 20th Century has allowed Corruption to become the byword of Chicago from Al Copone to today GANGS have run wild in Chicago and the Democrats that have run Chicago have allowed it to continue administration after administration. So why is that? Oh, they blame everyone else but themselves yet it has been the Democratic Party that has run Chicago Politics, appointed judges to the courts, the prosecutor's office, and still children are being shot down in the streets. New York City has gangs but they don't have this problem so why does Chicago? Use your mind and look at the facts.

Chicago is SOFT on crime and criminals and refuses to enforce law and order!!! Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books so why don't they enforce them???

 

[Buck111]

As an American we have more rights than any other individual on earth. Having been outside the United States and seen how others live I understand that. I also witnessed how ugly Americans can behave in foreign lands in their attitudes toward those they consider beneath them. As an officer I did what I could to at least try to get through to my own men but that was only a drop in the ocean but it has to start somewhere. Despite what politicians say "character does matter" and if you want to reach people you have to treat them the way you would treat your own family members.

I saw G.I.s hang out car windows to slap local girls on the rear. I asked my men how they would react if they saw Communist Chinese soldiers do that to their sisters on the streets of their home towns and they would have been outraged so I asked why would you do it in a foreign country? I tried to teach these young guys just because you can do something does not mean it is OK because you are an American and you think you are doing it in fun. In a foreign country it can cost you your life.

With rights come obligations as rights are not free. They have been paid for in blood and I have friends that paid that price. You don't have to believe it or accept it but many millions know better. Me, I don't care about politics, oil, economics, but family and freedom. Touch those and your prospects of living to a ripe old age are slime and none. As I have said before, my father was a First Sgt. in WWII and he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk. By the time I entered college I had memorized the kill and wounding radiuses of all the mortar and artillery rounds in current use in the U.S. Army. In 1969 I started studying Gung Fu at Arkansas State Teachers College (under a former black U.S. Army Officer who volunteered his time to train our "Counter Insurgency Unit" run by the Special Forces in hand to hand combat as he was a specialist in open hand combat) to now Arkansas State University before transferring to Eastern New Mexico University where I graduated at the top of my ROTC class in military tactics. If one wants to be free one MUST be prepared to at any moment to defend that freedom be it from and outside force or an internal force seeking to take away our freedoms. The threat from those within our own society who would wish to take away our rights and freedoms is just as real as those from the outside. I laugh at the libtards with their panties all in a twist over AR15 when any trained soldier knows the most feared many on any battlefield is the one trained with a scoped sighted sniper rifle which is usually bolt action. Be he a trained sniper, a designated marksman, or just a very well trained civilian in long range shooting along with, observation, field craft, escape and evasion, and camouflage he can reap great damage all out of proportion on a much larger force.

WRONG! The U.S. is not the freest country in the world (it is ranked at # 23 by the Cato Institute (and much lower by otheres)). Nor do you have "rights" in the U.S.S.A., you have privileges. Rights cannot be taken or amended, privileges can be and are.

Reads like your father had control issues ("...he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk.") and your acceptance of them shows you were well indoctrinated. Being a mercenary for the U.S. government does not/did not make you a hero.

 

[esthermoon]

As an American we have more rights than any other individual on earth. Having been outside the United States and seen how others live I understand that. I also witnessed how ugly Americans can behave in foreign lands in their attitudes toward those they consider beneath them. As an officer I did what I could to at least try to get through to my own men but that was only a drop in the ocean but it has to start somewhere. Despite what politicians say "character does matter" and if you want to reach people you have to treat them the way you would treat your own family members.

I saw G.I.s hang out car windows to slap local girls on the rear. I asked my men how they would react if they saw Communist Chinese soldiers do that to their sisters on the streets of their home towns and they would have been outraged so I asked why would you do it in a foreign country? I tried to teach these young guys just because you can do something does not mean it is OK because you are an American and you think you are doing it in fun. In a foreign country it can cost you your life.

With rights come obligations as rights are not free. They have been paid for in blood and I have friends that paid that price. You don't have to believe it or accept it but many millions know better. Me, I don't care about politics, oil, economics, but family and freedom. Touch those and your prospects of living to a ripe old age are slime and none. As I have said before, my father was a First Sgt. in WWII and he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk. By the time I entered college I had memorized the kill and wounding radiuses of all the mortar and artillery rounds in current use in the U.S. Army. In 1969 I started studying Gung Fu at Arkansas State Teachers College (under a former black U.S. Army Officer who volunteered his time to train our "Counter Insurgency Unit" run by the Special Forces in hand to hand combat as he was a specialist in open hand combat) to now Arkansas State University before transferring to Eastern New Mexico University where I graduated at the top of my ROTC class in military tactics. If one wants to be free one MUST be prepared to at any moment to defend that freedom be it from and outside force or an internal force seeking to take away our freedoms. The threat from those within our own society who would wish to take away our rights and freedoms is just as real as those from the outside. I laugh at the libtards with their panties all in a twist over AR15 when any trained soldier knows the most feared many on any battlefield is the one trained with a scoped sighted sniper rifle which is usually bolt action. Be he a trained sniper, a designated marksman, or just a very well trained civilian in long range shooting along with, observation, field craft, escape and evasion, and camouflage he can reap great damage all out of proportion on a much larger force.

WRONG! The U.S. is not the freest country in the world (it is ranked at # 23 by the Cato Institute (and much lower by otheres)). Nor do you have "rights" in the U.S.S.A., you have privileges. Rights cannot be taken or amended, privileges can be and are.

Reads like your father had control issues ("...he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk.") and your acceptance of them shows you were well indoctrinated. Being a mercenary for the U.S. government does not/did not make you a hero.

Why did you write U.S.S.A.?

 

[Buck111]

As an American we have more rights than any other individual on earth. Having been outside the United States and seen how others live I understand that. I also witnessed how ugly Americans can behave in foreign lands in their attitudes toward those they consider beneath them. As an officer I did what I could to at least try to get through to my own men but that was only a drop in the ocean but it has to start somewhere. Despite what politicians say "character does matter" and if you want to reach people you have to treat them the way you would treat your own family members.

I saw G.I.s hang out car windows to slap local girls on the rear. I asked my men how they would react if they saw Communist Chinese soldiers do that to their sisters on the streets of their home towns and they would have been outraged so I asked why would you do it in a foreign country? I tried to teach these young guys just because you can do something does not mean it is OK because you are an American and you think you are doing it in fun. In a foreign country it can cost you your life.

With rights come obligations as rights are not free. They have been paid for in blood and I have friends that paid that price. You don't have to believe it or accept it but many millions know better. Me, I don't care about politics, oil, economics, but family and freedom. Touch those and your prospects of living to a ripe old age are slime and none. As I have said before, my father was a First Sgt. in WWII and he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk. By the time I entered college I had memorized the kill and wounding radiuses of all the mortar and artillery rounds in current use in the U.S. Army. In 1969 I started studying Gung Fu at Arkansas State Teachers College (under a former black U.S. Army Officer who volunteered his time to train our "Counter Insurgency Unit" run by the Special Forces in hand to hand combat as he was a specialist in open hand combat) to now Arkansas State University before transferring to Eastern New Mexico University where I graduated at the top of my ROTC class in military tactics. If one wants to be free one MUST be prepared to at any moment to defend that freedom be it from and outside force or an internal force seeking to take away our freedoms. The threat from those within our own society who would wish to take away our rights and freedoms is just as real as those from the outside. I laugh at the libtards with their panties all in a twist over AR15 when any trained soldier knows the most feared many on any battlefield is the one trained with a scoped sighted sniper rifle which is usually bolt action. Be he a trained sniper, a designated marksman, or just a very well trained civilian in long range shooting along with, observation, field craft, escape and evasion, and camouflage he can reap great damage all out of proportion on a much larger force.

WRONG! The U.S. is not the freest country in the world (it is ranked at # 23 by the Cato Institute (and much lower by otheres)). Nor do you have "rights" in the U.S.S.A., you have privileges. Rights cannot be taken or amended, privileges can be and are.

Reads like your father had control issues ("...he raised me to be a soldier from the time I could walk.") and your acceptance of them shows you were well indoctrinated. Being a mercenary for the U.S. government does not/did not make you a hero.

Why did you write U.S.S.A.?

United Socialist States of America

 

[P@triot]

The ability to use the basic principles of the constitution to address issues that the founding fathers never thought about, and could never foresee is the only reason our constitution is as strong and resilient as it is, and the reason it has lasted as long as it has. Only an idiot would think our defining document could be just as relevant now as it was a couple hundred years ago without some adaptation to match the times.

If needs to be "adapted" BULLDOG, there is a process for that. It's called the amendment process. You do not get to arbitrarily adapt it because you think it needs to be.

 

[regent]

So why don't they amend the Constitution? The Alabama Constitution has been amended over 800 times. Our Constitution In effect has been modified probably a few hundred times. For example, Archibald Cox has written that one of the ways the Court
has interpreted the commerce clause it can be used is to regulate many other things besides interstate commerce.

 

[regent]

Comparing the long train of abuses listed in the Declaration of Independence to the current political conditions, it's easy to recognize that the Constitution has been entirely ineffective at constraining government.

The Declaration was not meant to set forth a government but to gain support for independence, in short it was propaganda. Independence had already been voted on and the Declaration was voted on two days later. The abuses of George III were really abuses of Parliament but it was easier and more effective to blame one individual, the king.

 

[emilynghiem]

Comparing the long train of abuses listed in the Declaration of Independence to the current political conditions, it's easy to recognize that the Constitution has been entirely ineffective at constraining government.

The Declaration was not meant to set forth a government but to gain support for independence, in short it was propaganda. Independence had already been voted on and the Declaration was voted on two days later. The abuses of George III were really abuses of Parliament but it was easier and more effective to blame one individual, the king.

Hi regent sorry to jump into this late, but your last post caught my attention.
I have been looking for Constitutional lawyers and advocates to address this WHOLE issue of "political beliefs."

And yes, clearly, people are still using their Constitutional arguments and INTERPRETATIONS to push their BELIEFS.

Before this time period, the people with the power ie land owners were more in unison. Then with the growing democracy and diversity, more populations "outside the power based on ownership" started INCREASINGLY REPRESENTING THE BELIEF that govt should be for promoting and providing for general welfare.

Before, these voices were outdominated by the people who actually owned property. The OPINION and BELIEF that govt was supposed to SERVE the public and ESTABLISH the will of the people was historically there, but kept in check by the more powerful people who actually owned and conducted business.

But now with democratized media and parties able to communicate collectively, with or without ownership, that OPINION or BELIEF about the role of govt has become equal if not dominant over the prevailing INTERPRETATION of govt as being CHECKED and LIMITED by the Constitution (not using or depending on govt to provide, distribute and manage resources and social programs FOR the people).

These two different beliefs have always been there,
like two different denominations by tradition.

Now that BOTH SIDES are coming out in the media complaining of being oppressed by the other,
is it possible NOW to hold Constitutional Conventions to ADDRESS these two schools of BELIEFS?

the party that focuses on "health care as a right" and wanting GOVT to be the central source of social programs to "guarantee equal access and provisions for the general populations

the party that focuses on LIMITED govt and the rights and responsibilities belonging to people and states first, NOT bogging down federal govt with social programs and decisions best made locally and not globally for the entire nation who don't fit under one policy fits all.

That's what I'd like to see come out of this generation.
To finally address this split instead of dancing around it or worse bullying each other for dominance in media, party politics, and govt.

 

[esthermoon]

So why don't they amend the Constitution? The Alabama Constitution has been amended over 800 times. Our Constitution In effect has been modified probably a few hundred times. For example, Archibald Cox has written that one of the ways the Court
has interpreted the commerce clause it can be used is to regulate many other things besides interstate commerce.

I think the US Constitution is not easy to amend

Why is it so difficult to amend the Constitution? | Reference.com

 

[Buck111]

Since the CONstitution needs amending from time to time, it is not a perfect document. Since it is not a perfect document, it needs to be thrown out.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I say that the CONstitution is a con game because it neither grants rights nor protects rights. Men interpret the meanings of the CONstitution to benefit their opinions and beliefs. These same men use the CONstitution to control the actions of the masses.

The 'Bill of Rights' is the most important part of the CONstitution, yet they can be suspended by the government. This means they are privileges and not 'rights'. Rights cannot be manipulated or taken; privileges can.

Suspended by the government? Which amendments have been suspended?

 

[regent]

Can a written Constitution change as the nation changes?

 

[BULLDOG]

Can a written Constitution change as the nation changes?

It already has.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Can a written Constitution change as the nation changes?

It already has.

Yep, through Judaical review and case law.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Since the CONstitution needs amending from time to time, it is not a perfect document. Since it is not a perfect document, it needs to be thrown out.

And replaced by what?

 

[esthermoon]

Since the CONstitution needs amending from time to time, it is not a perfect document. Since it is not a perfect document, it needs to be thrown out.

Do you think a new Constitution for your country would be better than the present one Buck111?

 

[Unkotare]

Since the CONstitution needs amending from time to time, it is not a perfect document. Since it is not a perfect document, it needs to be thrown out.

Is that supposed to be a joke?

 

[Buck111]

Since the CONstitution needs amending from time to time, it is not a perfect document. Since it is not a perfect document, it needs to be thrown out.

And replaced by what?

Freedom.

 

[Buck111]

Since the CONstitution needs amending from time to time, it is not a perfect document. Since it is not a perfect document, it needs to be thrown out.

Do you think a new Constitution for your country would be better than the present one Buck111?

No, I don't. As I have said many times, the constitution is nothing but a con game. All constitutions are. Words on paper protect, nor guarantee, anything. Constitutions give validity to invalid governments.