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Over 18.6 million people now carry guns for self defense......and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%....
Again, not interested in your dubious figures, Guy. Gun Murder rates hit a high in 2017.
It is interesting how defensive he became when we talked about booze.....
Wrong...after obama attacked the police using Black Lives Matter, the ACLU and the Department of Justice, police stopped pro-active techniques....now that he is gone, and Trump supports the police, the gun murder rate went down again......it was only during obama's attack that the murder rate ticked up, now it is going back down.
And you have a 99.997 percent chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun
The gun industry never gave me a gun and every time I ever bought a gun the guy who owned the store had to ask the government if I was eligible to buy a gun.It is interesting how defensive he became when we talked about booze.....
I thought that you didn't like personal attacks in the CDZ, Tiny Guy.
Here's my point about alcohol... yes, if you drink your whole life, you'll probably die a little bit sooner than if you don't...
Which is why you shouldn't.
That's a lot different than being a victim of crime because the National Rampage Association has flooded our streets with guns.
If the Alcohol industry acted like the gun industry, it would be going around Skid Row giving out cases of Mad Dog 20/20 and car keys, and then limit the ability of the cops to do anything about it.
. 003 percent increaseAnd you have a 99.997 percent chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun
And if I lived in a country which banned guns, I'd have a 100% change of not being murdered by a gun.
Wrong...after obama attacked the police using Black Lives Matter, the ACLU and the Department of Justice, police stopped pro-active techniques....now that he is gone, and Trump supports the police, the gun murder rate went down again......it was only during obama's attack that the murder rate ticked up, now it is going back down.
Actually, 2017 was higher than 2016, and we don't have good figures yet for 2018.
Nobody "attacked" the Police. Sorry, saying, "Don't shoot that black kid when he's got his hands up" is not an attack, it's a valid question.
And you have a 99.997 percent chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun
And if I lived in a country which banned guns, I'd have a 100% change of not being murdered by a gun.
The thread premise is a lie – no jurisdiction has as its official, sanctioned policy to release offenders who commit crimes with guns.Another story about releasing violent gun offenders is in the press today. This time, it is Washington D.C. complaining about the policy of releasing violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again. This policy is in place in the major cities....including Detroit, D.C., Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis.....all of the places where there are a lot of gun crimes and murders. New York, which had better policies in place after Rudy Guilliani, is now going back to those same policies....catch and release of violent gun offenders.
So...My strategy is simple...keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail....this worked in the past, it works now. Can someone on the other side explain how releasing repeat gun criminals will lower the gun crime rate?
The thread premise is a lie – no jurisdiction has as its official, sanctioned policy to release offenders who commit crimes with guns.Another story about releasing violent gun offenders is in the press today. This time, it is Washington D.C. complaining about the policy of releasing violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again. This policy is in place in the major cities....including Detroit, D.C., Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis.....all of the places where there are a lot of gun crimes and murders. New York, which had better policies in place after Rudy Guilliani, is now going back to those same policies....catch and release of violent gun offenders.
So...My strategy is simple...keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail....this worked in the past, it works now. Can someone on the other side explain how releasing repeat gun criminals will lower the gun crime rate?
Wrong – this is also a lie.A mixture of harsher sentences for gun crimes and much more invasive background checks is needed. Neither of which disarm anyone.
Incorrect.....invasive background checks violate several Rights, the 2nd, the 4th, and the 5th at a minimum....also, the only reason to have invasive background checks is to later demand gun registration.
We currently have all the laws we need to arrest and imprison criminals who use guns illegally.......background checks that track private gun ownership are no different than requiring people to state who they vote for. The Secret Ballot is used to protect people from persecution.....gun ownership can be attacked when gun ownership is known by the government....
Wrong – this is also a lie.A mixture of harsher sentences for gun crimes and much more invasive background checks is needed. Neither of which disarm anyone.
Incorrect.....invasive background checks violate several Rights, the 2nd, the 4th, and the 5th at a minimum....also, the only reason to have invasive background checks is to later demand gun registration.
We currently have all the laws we need to arrest and imprison criminals who use guns illegally.......background checks that track private gun ownership are no different than requiring people to state who they vote for. The Secret Ballot is used to protect people from persecution.....gun ownership can be attacked when gun ownership is known by the government....
The Supreme Court has never ruled on the Constitutionality of background checks – background checks violate no rights.
And the lower courts have held that UBCs are likewise Constitutional.
And another dishonest rightist chimes in with a ridiculous lie.A mixture of harsher sentences for gun crimes and much more invasive background checks is needed. Neither of which disarm anyone.
Background checks have proven to be as worthless as tits on a boar hog. They are an invasion of privacy; they make a mockery of the Fourth Amendment and do not stop crime.
I could offer something much better without the cost and no gun control. The solution, however, doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.
Background checks have kept weapons away from 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have had the guns. They work as well as they can; which is why we need to strengthen them.
That number is a lie.....
At Townhall: When Democrats Push For Universal Background Checks, The Danger Of A National Gun Registry Looms - Crime Prevention Research Center
One talking point we’ll likely hear many times in the next few weeks: Background checks have stopped 3.5 million dangerous or prohibited people from buying guns. That is simply false.
There have been 3.5 million initial denials, but at least 96% and probably over 99%, of those denials are mistakes. The system relies largely on identifying phonetically similar names, causing false positives that overwhelmingly discriminate against poor and middle-income blacks and Hispanics. It’s one thing to stop a felon from buying a gun. But it’s quite another to stop someone from getting a gun because their name resembles a felon’s.
If politicians want background checks to stop criminals from getting guns, rather than create headline-driving, racially-biased false-positives, there is a simple fix: require that the government does background checks in the same way that the government forces private companies to do background checks on employees – make them use all the information available, including exact names and birthdates.
In New York City and Washington, D.C., background checks on private gun transfers cost at least $125. These costs present a genuine obstacle to poor people living in high-crime, urban areas. The law-abiding potential victims of violent crimes are the least able to afford these costs. Gang members won’t pay them. Democrats who think that voter ID laws are unfairly onerous for poor minorities ought to appreciate the obstacles presented by background check fees. . . . .
I got denied once based upon a 1976 arrest. I had to get county employees to dig in archives records to come up with the judge's dismissal of the charges at the initial hearing. Sorry libs, denials do not affect just criminals, they hurt the law abiding and waste a lot of taxpayer dollars enforcing an unconstitutional law.
^^The thread premise is a lie – no jurisdiction has as its official, sanctioned policy to release offenders who commit crimes with guns.Another story about releasing violent gun offenders is in the press today. This time, it is Washington D.C. complaining about the policy of releasing violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again. This policy is in place in the major cities....including Detroit, D.C., Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis.....all of the places where there are a lot of gun crimes and murders. New York, which had better policies in place after Rudy Guilliani, is now going back to those same policies....catch and release of violent gun offenders.
So...My strategy is simple...keep violent gun criminals locked up in jail....this worked in the past, it works now. Can someone on the other side explain how releasing repeat gun criminals will lower the gun crime rate?
. 003 percent increase
Might as well be zero
And don't forget that even where guns are banned people still get shot
we do have figures for 2018....
. 003 percent increase
Might as well be zero
And don't forget that even where guns are banned people still get shot
A lot less often, that's the point.
we do have figures for 2018....
No, we've already established those figures are incomplete and bullshit.
The real number for 2017 was 14,500, a new all time high. 2018 will probably be higher... maybe lower. Doesn't matter.
IT'S STILL TOO HIGH COMPARED TO OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS.
We pay a very high price for your fetish.
You wouldn't even notice a. 003 percent drop in the odds. 003 percent increase
Might as well be zero
And don't forget that even where guns are banned people still get shot
A lot less often, that's the point.
we do have figures for 2018....
No, we've already established those figures are incomplete and bullshit.
The real number for 2017 was 14,500, a new all time high. 2018 will probably be higher... maybe lower. Doesn't matter.
IT'S STILL TOO HIGH COMPARED TO OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS.
We pay a very high price for your fetish.
You wouldn't even notice a. 003 percent drop in the odds
Don't watch TV it rots your mindYou wouldn't even notice a. 003 percent drop in the odds
Sure I would. I can turn on the TV at night an NOT hear about another mass shooting somewhere in the country... I would totally notice that.
