The Basis for the Russian collusion investigation

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The basis for the investigation into the presumed Russian interference with the 2016 presidential election and the attendant Trump collusion was the hacking of the DNC emails, right? The story goes that exposure of those emails affected the election, benefiting Trump, and that somehow he colluded with the Russians, either before or after the fact.

It has already been shown that the download speed of the emails could only have been achieved by loading it on a device attached to the server itself. It was too fast to have been sent via the internet to a hacker. But now, the Department of Justice had made an admission in response to a court filing that reveals they did not carry out their basic responsibilities.

Further, the DNC would not let FBI investigators review the DNC server. Instead, the DNC provided the FBI with analysis of a technical review done through a cyber-security contract with Crowdstrike. Suspecting they could prove the Russian hacking claim was false, lawyers representing Roger Stone requested the full Crowdstrike report on the DNC hack. When the DOJ responded to the Stone motion they made a rather significant admission. Not only did the FBI not review the DNC server, the FBI/DOJ never even saw the Crowdstrike report. Instead, what they got was the DNC’s redacted summary of the original report. The intelligence community, on which the US taxpayers spend scores of billions of dollars annually, put its credibility behind the DNC’s word, without even letting us know the basis for their “conclusion.” (snip)

This means the FBI and DOJ, and all of the downstream claims by the intelligence apparatus; including the December 2016 Joint Analysis Report and January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, all the way to the Weissmann/Mueller report and the continued claims therein; were based on the official intelligence agencies of the U.S. government and the U.S. Department of Justice taking the word of a hired contractor for the Democrat party….. despite their inability to examine the server and/or actually see an unredacted technical forensic report from the investigating contractor.

The entire apparatus of the U.S. government just took their word for it…

…and used the claim therein as an official position….

…which led to a subsequent government claim, in court, of absolute certainty that Russia hacked the DNC.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._of_their_responsibilities.html#ixzz5qvou8ZyN


Guys - there HAD to be some lower-level people within the FBI/DOJ that were involved in this, or knew about it and said nothing. Yeah, some top guys quit or got fired and that's good. But there were others who had to know this was bullshit, yet did nothing about it and said nothing to anybody about it. And THAT is a problem, there IS a Deep State out there. Whether they were politically motivated to keep their mouths shut or too scared to lose their jobs over it, the truth is we have people in positions of responsibility who lack the integrity to do the honest thing, they had to know this wasn't the right way to do business. And, there doesn't seem to be a way to blow the whistle or tell anybody, and the MSM would've sat on it anyway or squashed it.

 

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The above is copied from an actual court filing, by Jessie K. Liu, U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia

We (the FBI and DOJ) took the word of a contractor in the employ of the DNC and started the ball rolling on all the shit that followed. Who said the Russians did it? Crowdstrike. Based on what? THE FBI AND DOJ DON'T REALLY KNOW, and they didn't check it out. Or at least there is no corroborating evidence that we know of thus far. Am I to assume that such evidence, if it exists, would not have been leaked by now, or included in the Mueller Report? Sorry, not buying that.

The full filing can be reviewed here:

Stone - De 123 DOJ Response to MTC Crowdstrike Reports | Government (29K views)

 

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OP's report: 'It was too fast to have been sent via the internet.'

"I think with the rapidity with which information can be conveyed today because of the internet, it is an even more dangerous set of circumstances."
(Hillary Clinton at Wellesley College, 12 Jun 2019)

There are two HAM radio connections concerning the Russian investigation. One of them is a Clinton link, the other a DOJ link.

 

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The basis is Trump won the election and the feelings addled Democrat children are acting out as such.

 

[Oddball]

The basis for the investigation into the presumed Russian interference with the 2016 presidential election and the attendant Trump collusion was the hacking of the DNC emails, right? The story goes that exposure of those emails affected the election, benefiting Trump, and that somehow he colluded with the Russians, either before or after the fact.

It has already been shown that the download speed of the emails could only have been achieved by loading it on a device attached to the server itself. It was too fast to have been sent via the internet to a hacker. But now, the Department of Justice had made an admission in response to a court filing that reveals they did not carry out their basic responsibilities.

Further, the DNC would not let FBI investigators review the DNC server. Instead, the DNC provided the FBI with analysis of a technical review done through a cyber-security contract with Crowdstrike. Suspecting they could prove the Russian hacking claim was false, lawyers representing Roger Stone requested the full Crowdstrike report on the DNC hack. When the DOJ responded to the Stone motion they made a rather significant admission. Not only did the FBI not review the DNC server, the FBI/DOJ never even saw the Crowdstrike report. Instead, what they got was the DNC’s redacted summary of the original report. The intelligence community, on which the US taxpayers spend scores of billions of dollars annually, put its credibility behind the DNC’s word, without even letting us know the basis for their “conclusion.” (snip)

This means the FBI and DOJ, and all of the downstream claims by the intelligence apparatus; including the December 2016 Joint Analysis Report and January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, all the way to the Weissmann/Mueller report and the continued claims therein; were based on the official intelligence agencies of the U.S. government and the U.S. Department of Justice taking the word of a hired contractor for the Democrat party….. despite their inability to examine the server and/or actually see an unredacted technical forensic report from the investigating contractor.

The entire apparatus of the U.S. government just took their word for it…

…and used the claim therein as an official position….

…which led to a subsequent government claim, in court, of absolute certainty that Russia hacked the DNC.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._of_their_responsibilities.html#ixzz5qvou8ZyN


Guys - there HAD to be some lower-level people within the FBI/DOJ that were involved in this, or knew about it and said nothing. Yeah, some top guys quit or got fired and that's good. But there were others who had to know this was bullshit, yet did nothing about it and said nothing to anybody about it. And THAT is a problem, there IS a Deep State out there. Whether they were politically motivated to keep their mouths shut or too scared to lose their jobs over it, the truth is we have people in positions of responsibility who lack the integrity to do the honest thing, they had to know this wasn't the right way to do business. And, there doesn't seem to be a way to blow the whistle or tell anybody, and the MSM would've sat on it anyway or squashed it.

The FBI is corrupt from front to back...There's no constitutional provision for a federal police force to begin with....They've never stayed in their box and never will...Long past time to abolish it altogether.

 

[task0778]

The basis for the investigation into the presumed Russian interference with the 2016 presidential election and the attendant Trump collusion was the hacking of the DNC emails, right? The story goes that exposure of those emails affected the election, benefiting Trump, and that somehow he colluded with the Russians, either before or after the fact.

It has already been shown that the download speed of the emails could only have been achieved by loading it on a device attached to the server itself. It was too fast to have been sent via the internet to a hacker. But now, the Department of Justice had made an admission in response to a court filing that reveals they did not carry out their basic responsibilities.

Further, the DNC would not let FBI investigators review the DNC server. Instead, the DNC provided the FBI with analysis of a technical review done through a cyber-security contract with Crowdstrike. Suspecting they could prove the Russian hacking claim was false, lawyers representing Roger Stone requested the full Crowdstrike report on the DNC hack. When the DOJ responded to the Stone motion they made a rather significant admission. Not only did the FBI not review the DNC server, the FBI/DOJ never even saw the Crowdstrike report. Instead, what they got was the DNC’s redacted summary of the original report. The intelligence community, on which the US taxpayers spend scores of billions of dollars annually, put its credibility behind the DNC’s word, without even letting us know the basis for their “conclusion.” (snip)

This means the FBI and DOJ, and all of the downstream claims by the intelligence apparatus; including the December 2016 Joint Analysis Report and January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, all the way to the Weissmann/Mueller report and the continued claims therein; were based on the official intelligence agencies of the U.S. government and the U.S. Department of Justice taking the word of a hired contractor for the Democrat party….. despite their inability to examine the server and/or actually see an unredacted technical forensic report from the investigating contractor.

The entire apparatus of the U.S. government just took their word for it…

…and used the claim therein as an official position….

…which led to a subsequent government claim, in court, of absolute certainty that Russia hacked the DNC.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._of_their_responsibilities.html#ixzz5qvou8ZyN


Guys - there HAD to be some lower-level people within the FBI/DOJ that were involved in this, or knew about it and said nothing. Yeah, some top guys quit or got fired and that's good. But there were others who had to know this was bullshit, yet did nothing about it and said nothing to anybody about it. And THAT is a problem, there IS a Deep State out there. Whether they were politically motivated to keep their mouths shut or too scared to lose their jobs over it, the truth is we have people in positions of responsibility who lack the integrity to do the honest thing, they had to know this wasn't the right way to do business. And, there doesn't seem to be a way to blow the whistle or tell anybody, and the MSM would've sat on it anyway or squashed it.

The FBI is corrupt from front to back...There's no constitutional provision for a federal police force to begin with....They've never stayed in their box and never will...Long past time to abolish it altogether.

Okay, cards on the table. Corrupt people exist everywhere, and perhaps nowhere is it more prevalent than in any gov't office or agency. BUT - if you are implying that the entire FBI or DOJ is corrupt then I might have to disagree. How much or how often or how many FBI/DOJ people are corrupt is open for debate, but since there's no way to quantify it, we are left with opinions. Which as you know, will vary.

As for no constitutional provision, well yes, it isn't explicitly authorized BUT - Congress does have the power to make laws and the Executive Branch has the power and duty to enforce those laws. Which implies authorization for federal agencies to investigate and prosecute violations of federal law. Without the FBI/DOJ, Congress would have no way of punishing violations of federal laws. As for staying within their box, well clearly they aren't doing that, not even following their own policies and procedures in the interests of politics. Sad days.

 

[Oddball]

Okay, cards on the table. Corrupt people exist everywhere, and perhaps nowhere is it more prevalent than in any gov't office or agency. BUT - if you are implying that the entire FBI or DOJ is corrupt then I might have to disagree. How much or how often or how many FBI/DOJ people are corrupt is open for debate, but since there's no way to quantify it, we are left with opinions. Which as you know, will vary.

As for no constitutional provision, well yes, it isn't explicitly authorized BUT - Congress does have the power to make laws and the Executive Branch has the power and duty to enforce those laws. Which implies agencies to investigate and prosecute violations of federal law.

The FBI is not explicitly authorized by the Constitution, but I would argue that Congress's power to make federal law includes implicit authority to enforce those laws. Without the FBI, Congress would have no way of punishing violations of federal laws. As for staying within their box, well clearly they aren't doing that, not even following their own policies and procedures in the interests of politics. Sad days.

The number of people who are corrupt isn't really the question...When agencies like this are created and given the amount power that they have been, the corruption is going to be inherent...The agency is going to draw to it people whose ethical makeup is already borderline, or the work environment itself will corrupt them.

The more and more information that comes out about how the deep state operates, the more prophetic the F.A. Hayek was back in 1945.

Worst on Top | Investors Business Daily

You can in fact throw out the baby with the bath water when it's Rosmary's baby.

 

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Okay, cards on the table. Corrupt people exist everywhere, and perhaps nowhere is it more prevalent than in any gov't office or agency. BUT - if you are implying that the entire FBI or DOJ is corrupt then I might have to disagree. How much or how often or how many FBI/DOJ people are corrupt is open for debate, but since there's no way to quantify it, we are left with opinions. Which as you know, will vary.

As for no constitutional provision, well yes, it isn't explicitly authorized BUT - Congress does have the power to make laws and the Executive Branch has the power and duty to enforce those laws. Which implies agencies to investigate and prosecute violations of federal law.

The FBI is not explicitly authorized by the Constitution, but I would argue that Congress's power to make federal law includes implicit authority to enforce those laws. Without the FBI, Congress would have no way of punishing violations of federal laws. As for staying within their box, well clearly they aren't doing that, not even following their own policies and procedures in the interests of politics. Sad days.

The number of people who are corrupt isn't really the question...When agencies like this are created and given the amount power that they have been, the corruption is going to be inherent...The agency is going to draw to it people whose ethical makeup is already borderline, or the work environment itself will corrupt them.

The more and more information that comes out about how the deep state operates, the more prophetic the F.A. Hayek was back in 1945.

Worst on Top | Investors Business Daily

You can in fact throw out the baby with the bath water when it's Rosmary's baby.

Appreciate the link, good stuff. BUT - while Hayek was right IMHO about the worst rising to the top of the deep state, I don't see where he says the entire organization is corrupt. If you look at the policing agencies at the state and local levels, sure there are bad cops and corruption but there are more good ones than bad ones just like there are in our military. And it's no different in the FBI/DOJ, there's plenty of bad apples but I think a whole lot more good ones.

Do you really think we can do without the FBI and DOJ?