The Ad That Ran During The Dem Debate That Has Ocasio-Cortez Outraged

[westwall]

Provably it doesn't, and, more to the point the quality goes down, and so does availability.

Government run healthcare is like government run anything. Bad.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Sure you are. No DMV is fine. They make a process that takes 15 minutes at AAA, take 4 to 5 times as long.

Don’t know what shithole DMV you have in your state

In NJ, I do most of my DMV transactions online. When I do visit, I am usually in and out in 15 min

Usually . Why must you go more than once a year? In other words, you are lying as usual.

Why?
I have multiple vehicles and trailers, I buy and sell vehicles, I have to renew a drivers license

You are lying if you say you only go once

Because trump's lies hurt trump. Progressive lies hurt everybody. You bleat about trump but go la la la with your side.

Hypocrite.

 

[westwall]

Provably it doesn't, and, more to the point the quality goes down, and so does availability.

Government run healthcare is like government run anything. Bad.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Sure you are. No DMV is fine. They make a process that takes 15 minutes at AAA, take 4 to 5 times as long.

Don’t know what shithole DMV you have in your state

In NJ, I do most of my DMV transactions online. When I do visit, I am usually in and out in 15 min

Usually . Why must you go more than once a year? In other words, you are lying as usual.

Why?
I have multiple vehicles and trailers to register , I buy and sell vehicles, I have to renew a drivers license

You are lying if you say you only go once

I go once a year to renew my license. All vehicle registration is done through the mail

 

[bripat9643]

Tell us about this magical unicorn fart, and how it will be able pay for everyone's healthcare.

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

You mean like Obamacare promised?

Yes

Where is that health plan Trump promised that is cheaper and better than Obamacare?

I don't know. Where is that affordable insurance DumBama promised us?

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month, brainwashed functional moron. And 14 million pay nothing for Medicaid except in real scumbag red States. Like Ohio. Answer- stop sabotaging it....

Yeah, and the other 25% pay $2000/mo. Only deadbeats benefit from the exchanges. People who pay taxes don't.

 

[Third Party]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Being Independent, I want to see this, and the Hispanic hysteria of Jorge Ramos jumping on Obama and Biden.

 

[francoHFW]

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

Provably it doesn't, and, more to the point the quality goes down, and so does availability.

Government run healthcare is like government run anything. Bad.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Sure you are. No DMV is fine. They make a process that takes 15 minutes at AAA, take 4 to 5 times as long.

As if you deal with government bureaucrats at the hospital under any of these plans. In fact with Medicare for all you don't deal with them at all. The DMV is great here in Wyoming county.... No waiting

 

[francoHFW]

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

You mean like Obamacare promised?

Yes

Where is that health plan Trump promised that is cheaper and better than Obamacare?

I don't know. Where is that affordable insurance DumBama promised us?

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month, brainwashed functional moron. And 14 million pay nothing for Medicaid except in real scumbag red States. Like Ohio. Answer- stop sabotaging it....

Yeah, and the other 25% pay $2000/mo. Only deadbeats benefit from the exchanges. People who pay taxes don't.

Bologna super duper. We need more competition and regulations and less sabotage from the GOP and their buddies in the big insurance game.... Blame the victims who in your state don't have any insurance great job. Everybody pays taxes dimwit. We basically have a flat tax system here great job.

 

[rightwinger]

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Sure you are. No DMV is fine. They make a process that takes 15 minutes at AAA, take 4 to 5 times as long.

Don’t know what shithole DMV you have in your state

In NJ, I do most of my DMV transactions online. When I do visit, I am usually in and out in 15 min

Usually . Why must you go more than once a year? In other words, you are lying as usual.

Why?
I have multiple vehicles and trailers, I buy and sell vehicles, I have to renew a drivers license

You are lying if you say you only go once

Because trump's lies hurt trump. Progressive lies hurt everybody. You bleat about trump but go la la la with your side.

Hypocrite.

WTF does that have to do with what I posted?

On drugs this afternoon?

 

[depotoo]

Tell us about this magical unicorn fart, and how it will be able pay for everyone's healthcare.

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

You mean like Obamacare promised?

Yes

Where is that health plan Trump promised that is cheaper and better than Obamacare?

I don't know. Where is that affordable insurance DumBama promised us?

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month, brainwashed functional moron. And 14 million pay nothing for Medicaid except in real scumbag red States. Like Ohio. Answer- stop sabotaging it....

Oh bull. Let’s see your link

2018 Obamacare Rates & Deductibles | Affordable Care Act

 

[LeftofLeft]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

What is sick, disease-like is the insistence that if you are Republican, you are racist.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Extreme? You fuckers are wearing pussy hats, smashing windows, lighting cars on fire, beating up journalists, shooting up baseball fields of the opposing party.

 

[westwall]

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

Provably it doesn't, and, more to the point the quality goes down, and so does availability.

Government run healthcare is like government run anything. Bad.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Sure you are. No DMV is fine. They make a process that takes 15 minutes at AAA, take 4 to 5 times as long.

As if you deal with government bureaucrats at the hospital under any of these plans. In fact with Medicare for all you don't deal with them at all. The DMV is great here in Wyoming county.... No waiting

You are a complete moron, you know that.

Just read any British newspaper and the MULTITUDE of stories about how the NHS is failing the people.

Idiot

 

[Borillar]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Name one sand thing on the Dem platform.

We know who’s insane.

You're right (far right), there isn't any "sand" thing on the Dem platform, except for Repugs to go pound sand.

 

[westwall]

You mean like Obamacare promised?

Yes

Where is that health plan Trump promised that is cheaper and better than Obamacare?

I don't know. Where is that affordable insurance DumBama promised us?

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month, brainwashed functional moron. And 14 million pay nothing for Medicaid except in real scumbag red States. Like Ohio. Answer- stop sabotaging it....

Yeah, and the other 25% pay $2000/mo. Only deadbeats benefit from the exchanges. People who pay taxes don't.

Bologna super duper. We need more competition and regulations and less sabotage from the GOP and their buddies in the big insurance game.... Blame the victims who in your state don't have any insurance great job. Everybody pays taxes dimwit. We basically have a flat tax system here great job.

more competition he claims, then turns around and wants the government to take over.

What a retard

 

[francoHFW]

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

Universal anything never costs less. You people have a pretty sorry record on healthcare costs anyway. You all thought obummercare would be great but it was terrible for 90 million people. Great for a few hundred thousand, but terrible for 90 million.

Typical record for you people though.

Costs less in every other country

Are you saying other countries can do it but the great US can’t?

Because it is worse. And America subsidizes it. We pay more for drugs so that they can pay less.

That's bullcrap.

Republican bullcrap. Totally bought off by big business, super duper.

What was that you were spewing little hater dupe?

Except I am 6 foot 4 don't hate anything but lies and I am not a dupe like you are... The GOP is the party that is owned by big Pharma big Health Big oil big insurance you name it. That is how you getthe worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and anywhere in the modern world.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes

Where is that health plan Trump promised that is cheaper and better than Obamacare?

I don't know. Where is that affordable insurance DumBama promised us?

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month, brainwashed functional moron. And 14 million pay nothing for Medicaid except in real scumbag red States. Like Ohio. Answer- stop sabotaging it....

Yeah, and the other 25% pay $2000/mo. Only deadbeats benefit from the exchanges. People who pay taxes don't.

Bologna super duper. We need more competition and regulations and less sabotage from the GOP and their buddies in the big insurance game.... Blame the victims who in your state don't have any insurance great job. Everybody pays taxes dimwit. We basically have a flat tax system here great job.

more competition he claims, then turns around and wants the government to take over.

What a retard

Either way you need a democrat in power to regulate and fix this GOP mess.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Capt Hyperbole strikes again

Getting healthcare for all will somehow kill millions

Tell us about this magical unicorn fart, and how it will be able pay for everyone's healthcare.

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

You can always tell who has never been treated in the VA healthcare system.

I'll explain it to you: VA healthcare is the DMV of the medical system. Inefficient, long wait times, endless bureaucracy and red tape, poor outcomes.

That's what you want for everybody? No, thanks.

I'm very sure I don't want the doctor in charge of my treatment to be the sort of person who thinks a civil servant's salary is a good deal.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Yeah, well that sucks for you huh? Too bad we have freedom of speech, and we can go after whom ever we want. I guess you are SOL. By the way, I don't remember many Democrats complaining about "viciously going after women" when they were attacking Katherine Harris, or when you went after Sarah Palin.

But then again, if you people were not hypocrites, then you wouldn't be Democraps.

Anyway.. we intend to attack and destroy all socialist, male or female, and we really don't give a crap what you putrid trash things about anything.
So.... too bad. Sucks to be you. We won't be silenced by an entire party of hypocritical trash. You are just SOL. We don't care what you think about us anymore.

Either women are equal to men and can do the same jobs - including political office - in which case we can treat them just like men and go after them just as much, or they're delicate flowers who need special treatment, in which case they need to get their whining asses back in the kitchen. And I say that as a woman. I don't live this hypocrisy in my own life, and I resent having these strident viragos making it look like this crap is standard for women everywhere.

 

[daveman]

Tell us about this magical unicorn fart, and how it will be able pay for everyone's healthcare.

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

You can always tell who has never been treated in the VA healthcare system.

I'll explain it to you: VA healthcare is the DMV of the medical system. Inefficient, long wait times, endless bureaucracy and red tape, poor outcomes.

That's what you want for everybody? No, thanks.

How many Vets want to give up their VA coverage?

At least one. Me.

Meanwhile, how many Democrat politicians want to be cared for by the VA?

 

[daveman]

Except I am 6 foot 4 don't hate anything but lies and I am not a dupe like you are... The GOP is the party that is owned by big Pharma big Health Big oil big insurance you name it. That is how you getthe worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and anywhere in the modern world.

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

Meet Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT and an architect of Obamacare. During a panel event last year about how the legislation passed, turning over a sixth of the U.S. economy to the government, Gruber admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick in the legislation that Obamacare is in fact a tax. The video of his comments just recently surfaced ahead of the second open enrollment period for Obamacare at Healthcare.gov.

"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not."
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BAUCUS THANKS WELLPOINT VP LIZ FOWLER FOR WRITING HEALTH CARE BILL

Obamacare architect leaves White House for pharmaceutical industry job

When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted, the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that legislation was Elizabeth Folwer, his chief health policy counsel; indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted it. As Politico put it at the time: "If you drew an organizational chart of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be the chief operating officer."

What was most amazing about all of that was that, before joining Baucus' office as the point person for the health care bill, Fowler was the Vice President for Public Policy and External Affairs (i.e. informal lobbying) at WellPoint, the nation's largest health insurance provider (before going to WellPoint, as well as after, Fowler had worked as Baucus' top health care aide). And when that health care bill was drafted, the person whom Fowler replaced as chief health counsel in Baucus' office, Michelle Easton, was lobbying for WellPoint as a principal at Tarplin, Downs, and Young.

Whatever one's views on Obamacare were and are: the bill's mandate that everyone purchase the products of the private health insurance industry, unaccompanied by any public alternative, was a huge gift to that industry; as Wheeler wrote at the time: "to the extent that Liz Fowler is the author of this document, we might as well consider WellPoint its author as well." Watch the five-minute Bill Moyers report from 2009, embedded below, on the key role played in all of this by Liz Fowler and the "revolving door" between the health insurance/lobbying industry and government officials at the time this bill was written and passed.

More amazingly still, when the Obama White House needed someone to oversee implementation of Obamacare after the bill passed, it chose . . . Liz Fowler. That the White House would put a former health insurance industry executive in charge of implementation of its new massive health care law was roundly condemned by good government groups as at least a violation of the "spirit" of governing ethics rules and even "gross", but those objections were, of course, brushed aside by the White House. She then became Special Assistant to the President for Healthcare and Economic Policy at the National Economic Council.

Now, as Politico's "Influence" column briefly noted on Tuesday, Fowler is once again passing through the deeply corrupting revolving door as she leaves the Obama administration to return to the loving and lucrative arms of the private health care industry:


"Elizabeth Fowler is leaving the White House for a senior-level position leading 'global health policy' at Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group."

The pharmaceutical giant that just hired Fowler actively supported the passage of Obamacare through its membership in the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) lobby. Indeed, PhRMA was one of the most aggressive supporters - and most lavish beneficiaries - of the health care bill drafted by Fowler. Mother Jones' James Ridgeway proclaimed "Big Pharma" the "big winner" in the health care bill. And now, Fowler will receive ample rewards from that same industry as she peddles her influence in government and exploits her experience with its inner workings to work on that industry's behalf, all of which has been made perfectly legal by the same insular, Versailles-like Washington culture that so lavishly benefits from all of this.
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There are few pieces of legislation more corporatist than Obamacare. The Democrats are utterly owned by the healthcare industry.

 

[rightwinger]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

What is sick, disease-like is the insistence that if you are Republican, you are racist.

If you are racist......You are Republican