The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My brother in law broke his knee in a car accident

nothing was broken,

Cool story bruh

 

[Taz]

Private healthcare in the United States is already like that. My brother in law broke his knee in a car accident and was taken to the hospital in Miami. After being discharged from the emergency room, he asked for wheel chair. He was told that he did not need one because "nothing was broken, and that he needed to MAN UP"! That's private health care for you. People are only there for a pay check. They are not actually there because their interested in caring for people. That's why the United States is 34th in life expectancy despite spending more per person on healthcare than any country in the world.

And nothing says "caring" like a massive and unaccountable federal bureaucracy.....Rube.

So you think Merrucca is the only country like that?

 

[U2Edge]

“Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?”

Because conservatives have successfully propagated the lie that in addition to being ‘too expensive,’ providing all Americans access to affordable healthcare will ‘destroy capitalism’ and make America ‘socialist’ – when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

Well, there is a lot of capitalism among those 50 most developed countries. I mean, most Billionaires in the world live in those 50 most developed countries. Most of the large private Business's, Large corporations, multi-national corporations in the world are located in those 50 most developed countries. I would also say that most business activity in the world and most profit is made in those 50 most developed countries. With the exception of five of them, all of them provide Universal Healthcare of their citizens. Rather than being unusual, Universal Healthcare is a common feature among wealthy, developed, capitalist, democratic countries.

There are only five oddballs that don't provide among the 50:

01. Cyprus - within 5 years Cyprus will have Universal Healthcare
02. Bahrain
03. United Arab Emirates
04. Qatar
05. United States

I think the United States has a lot to learn from the other 49 most developed countries in the world.

Look no further than the VA if you want to see how "Universal Health Care" would go. Only it would be twice as bad as the VA.

Well, with Universal Healthcare in Japan, Italy and France, the people there live longer than in the United States. Works just fine, everyone is covered, and those countries only spend half of what the United States does on healthcare as a percentage of GDP.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Below are the 50 most developed countries in the world ranked according to the UN Human Development index which measures development and standard of living through estimates of GDP per capita, life expectancy, and education. There are a total of 197 countries in the world today. 193 of those countries are part of the United Nations. 45 out of the 50 most developed countries in the world below provide UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for its citizens, essentially medicare for all. The following are the five countries from the list below that do not:

01. Cyprus
02. United Arab Emirates
03. Qatar
04. Bahrain
05. United States

Cyprus is currently In the process of moving to a Universal Healthcare system which will be completed in a few years. That will leave the United States alone with three Arab countries as being the only countries, of the 50 most developed in the world, that do not have Universal HealthCare.

Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens? How could anyone say that Universal HealthCare is impossible or too expensive for the United States when nearly all of the 50 most developed countries in the world provide it for its citizens?


50 MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD RANKED:

01 - Norway
02 - Switzerland
03 - Australia
04 - Ireland
05 - Germany
06 - Iceland
07 - San Marino
08 - Sweden
09 - Singapore
10 - Netherlands
11 - Denmark
12 Canada
13 - United States
14 - United Kingdom
15 - Monaco
16 - Vatican City
17 - Finland
18 - New Zealand
19 - Belgium
20 - Liechtenstein
21 - Japan
22 - Austria
23 - Luxembourg
24 - Israel
25 - Taiwan
26 - South Korea
27 - France
28 - Slovenia
29 - Spain
30 - Czech Republic
31 - Italy
32 - Malta
33 - Estonia
34 - Greece
35 - Cyprus
36 - Poland
37 - United Arab Emirates
38 - Andorra
39 - Lithuania
40 - Qatar
41 - Slovakia
42 - Brunei
43 - Saudi Arabia
44 - Latvia
45 - Portugal
46 - Bahrain
47 - Chile
48 - Hungary
49 - Croatia
50 - Argentina

Quit teasing us and just move to one of these utopian wonderlands.

Well, since the United States is part of the above list, I already live in one. We just need to provide are citizens with universal healthcare like all the other utopia's already do and then were good.

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Ask the people watching shrimp on a treadmill.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

“Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?”

Because conservatives have successfully propagated the lie that in addition to being ‘too expensive,’ providing all Americans access to affordable healthcare will ‘destroy capitalism’ and make America ‘socialist’ – when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

Well, there is a lot of capitalism among those 50 most developed countries. I mean, most Billionaires in the world live in those 50 most developed countries. Most of the large private Business's, Large corporations, multi-national corporations in the world are located in those 50 most developed countries. I would also say that most business activity in the world and most profit is made in those 50 most developed countries. With the exception of five of them, all of them provide Universal Healthcare of their citizens. Rather than being unusual, Universal Healthcare is a common feature among wealthy, developed, capitalist, democratic countries.

There are only five oddballs that don't provide among the 50:

01. Cyprus - within 5 years Cyprus will have Universal Healthcare
02. Bahrain
03. United Arab Emirates
04. Qatar
05. United States

I think the United States has a lot to learn from the other 49 most developed countries in the world.

Look no further than the VA if you want to see how "Universal Health Care" would go. Only it would be twice as bad as the VA.

Well, with Universal Healthcare in Japan, Italy and France, the people there live longer than in the United States. Works just fine, everyone is covered, and those countries only spend half of what the United States does on healthcare as a percentage of GDP.

Then move

Problem solved

 

[occupied]

How many people would quit their shit job tomorrow if it would not cost them and their family insurance? A curious kind of wage slavery exists in America where we accept all sorts of bad behavior by management because they know what it would cost us to stand up and have some pride. Similarly businesses are burdened with the expense of offering insurance instead of decent wages. In short our system is a drag on capitalism.

I'm sure another few million illegals will help remove the "drag on capitalism" right?
Let's get Beto to start tearing down all the barriers on the S. border right?
You sound a LOT like someone who's never had a decent job.

I work a trade as a contractor, we have an unbelievable shortage of labor. I know no ready solution to this problem but there has been no surge of anyone stepping up to fill the positions that illegals used to fill. I have never personally employed an illegal immigrant but just looking around at our subs they are having a hell of a time since it became much harder to find and employ day labor. That being said if everyone in construction had health insurance we would all be better off, the people who actually build America are probably the most under-insured people in America.

Hmmm...maybe you ought to pay more than $10/day.

Typical conservative response to real world problems.

 

[Taz]

Below are the 50 most developed countries in the world ranked according to the UN Human Development index which measures development and standard of living through estimates of GDP per capita, life expectancy, and education. There are a total of 197 countries in the world today. 193 of those countries are part of the United Nations. 45 out of the 50 most developed countries in the world below provide UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for its citizens, essentially medicare for all. The following are the five countries from the list below that do not:

01. Cyprus
02. United Arab Emirates
03. Qatar
04. Bahrain
05. United States

Cyprus is currently In the process of moving to a Universal Healthcare system which will be completed in a few years. That will leave the United States alone with three Arab countries as being the only countries, of the 50 most developed in the world, that do not have Universal HealthCare.

Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens? How could anyone say that Universal HealthCare is impossible or too expensive for the United States when nearly all of the 50 most developed countries in the world provide it for its citizens?


50 MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD RANKED:

01 - Norway
02 - Switzerland
03 - Australia
04 - Ireland
05 - Germany
06 - Iceland
07 - San Marino
08 - Sweden
09 - Singapore
10 - Netherlands
11 - Denmark
12 Canada
13 - United States
14 - United Kingdom
15 - Monaco
16 - Vatican City
17 - Finland
18 - New Zealand
19 - Belgium
20 - Liechtenstein
21 - Japan
22 - Austria
23 - Luxembourg
24 - Israel
25 - Taiwan
26 - South Korea
27 - France
28 - Slovenia
29 - Spain
30 - Czech Republic
31 - Italy
32 - Malta
33 - Estonia
34 - Greece
35 - Cyprus
36 - Poland
37 - United Arab Emirates
38 - Andorra
39 - Lithuania
40 - Qatar
41 - Slovakia
42 - Brunei
43 - Saudi Arabia
44 - Latvia
45 - Portugal
46 - Bahrain
47 - Chile
48 - Hungary
49 - Croatia
50 - Argentina

Quit teasing us and just move to one of these utopian wonderlands.

Well, since the United States is part of the above list, I already live in one. We just need to provide are citizens with universal healthcare like all the other utopia's already do and then were good.

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Ask the people watching shrimp on a treadmill.

Wtf does that even mean?

 

[U2Edge]

My brother in law broke his knee in a car accident

nothing was broken,

Cool story bruh

The person discharging him CLAIMED nothing was broken. But that was FALSE. The paper work and scans showed he had a broken knee.

 

[DGS49]

(1) The United States Constitution forbids Congress (the branch that spends money) from establishing a compulsory healthcare system. It would take a Constitutional Amendment for the U.S. to adopt universal healthcare. This is no small point; it is determinative of the issue. And given the requirements for a Constitutional Amendment, it will not happen in the next 25 years, at least.

(2) Essentially all of the "developed" countries who have adopted "universal" healthcare did so before the creation of a vast medical "industry" delivering the professional and skilled services and drugs, and utilizing the incredibly expensive diagnostic and treatment tools that exist today. In the U.S., the market has spawned and mandated a vast network of for-profit, non-profit, and charitable "industries" that deliver the necessary treatments and whatnot that are required. THEREFORE, to try to CONVERT our current healthcare delivery industry to something controlled and paid for by Government would create the WORST of ALL WORLDS. Horribly expensive care delivered by government employees. Corruption and graft, fraud, waste, and abuse at previously unheard of levels. Literally, the worst of all worlds. And not to get ethnic about, the biggest thieves and exploiters would be the foreign-born doctors, as demonstrated in the Medicare and Medicaid fraud experience currently.

(3) The vast majority of Americans are satisfied with their healthcare. They get health insurance through an employer, or they are on Medicare or Medicaid, and they pretty much get all the medical care they need. The people who are "suffering" are the outliers with crappy jobs who make "too much" for one set of benefits, but "not enough" for the care they want. But these are a small minority.

Finally (4), in spite of all the criticism, the U.S. is absolutely in the top tier of healthcare delivery in the world. Most of the complaints are based on cherry-picked statistics (e.g., infant mortality, which most countries lie about), and there is no better country in which to try to survive cancer, heart disease, stroke, and so on. No better country in which to need a transplant, elective surgery, or non-emergency surgery.

Every healthcare system has its "sweet spots" and areas where it falls short. Life has inevitable tradeoffs. Is it any wonder that Leftists are the ones constantly complaining about this sort of thing? Complain about insoluble or non-existent "problems," then blame Conservatives for impeding "progress." Constant, repetitive bullshit; that's all they are good for.

 

[Oddball]

Private healthcare in the United States is already like that. My brother in law broke his knee in a car accident and was taken to the hospital in Miami. After being discharged from the emergency room, he asked for wheel chair. He was told that he did not need one because "nothing was broken, and that he needed to MAN UP"! That's private health care for you. People are only there for a pay check. They are not actually there because their interested in caring for people. That's why the United States is 34th in life expectancy despite spending more per person on healthcare than any country in the world.

And nothing says "caring" like a massive and unaccountable federal bureaucracy.....Rube.

So you think Merrucca is the only country like that?

No I don't...In fact, I just debunked the idiotic analogy the the OP is trying to make, between the "effectiveness" of the Pentagon and what gubmint-run medical care monopoly would look like.

But I suppose you want the VA for all too, huh?

 

[Anathema]

That's true, you can technically amend the entire constitution.

Yes, and it’s the only legitimate way to add or remove anything from the Constitution or to replace it with an entirely new document.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Quit teasing us and just move to one of these utopian wonderlands.

Well, since the United States is part of the above list, I already live in one. We just need to provide are citizens with universal healthcare like all the other utopia's already do and then were good.

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Ask the people watching shrimp on a treadmill.

Wtf does that even mean?

Well first it means that you are uninformed.
Secondly it is the reason Americans can't have nice things via their taxes.

 

[Taz]

Private healthcare in the United States is already like that. My brother in law broke his knee in a car accident and was taken to the hospital in Miami. After being discharged from the emergency room, he asked for wheel chair. He was told that he did not need one because "nothing was broken, and that he needed to MAN UP"! That's private health care for you. People are only there for a pay check. They are not actually there because their interested in caring for people. That's why the United States is 34th in life expectancy despite spending more per person on healthcare than any country in the world.

And nothing says "caring" like a massive and unaccountable federal bureaucracy.....Rube.

So you think Merrucca is the only country like that?

No I don't...In fact, I just debunked the idiotic analogy the the OP is trying to make, between the "effectiveness" of the Pentagon and what gubmint-run medical care monopoly would look like.

But I suppose you want the VA for all too, huh?

I think that the richest country in the world could provide health care for all if it wanted to.

 

[Oddball]

I think that the richest country in the world could provide health care for all if it wanted to.

Platitudes aren't arguments, tovarich.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My brother in law broke his knee in a car accident

nothing was broken,

Cool story bruh

The person discharging him CLAIMED nothing was broken. But that was FALSE. The paper work and scans showed he had a broken knee.

Someone in your story is lying.

Wonder who......

 

[Taz]

Well, since the United States is part of the above list, I already live in one. We just need to provide are citizens with universal healthcare like all the other utopia's already do and then were good.

We may be able to do that if everyone was paying 2000 a month for coverage .

Other countries can manage it out of general tax revenues. Why can't we?

Ask the people watching shrimp on a treadmill.

Wtf does that even mean?

Well first it means that you are uninformed.
Secondly it is the reason Americans can't have nice things via their taxes.

All countries have dumb shit like that, yet still manage to fund healthcare for all. Except the richest country in the world.

 

[Lesh]

Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says

We currently spend considerably MORE than that on healthcare.

All we're talking about is cost shifting

Actually, no we don’t. The figures you see thrown around include much more than what universal healthcare covers, such as over the counter meds, dental, and retirement communities that offer assisted living. You also aren’t told many of these places still require a 30% copay, on top of premium cost. That wait times for specialists takes months, that they don’t include drugs that are considered cost prohibitive, but can save lives. The cover illegal immigrants that the rest of their population has to cover. I could go on and on. And the quality of care over all is less than what we have here in the US.

We currently spend 3.5 trillion a year. Over 10 years that 35 trillion.

What that covers and what Medicare for all would cover is a different conversation.

But the fact remains we spend trillions more than the 33 trillion Medicare is projected to cost

 

[Anathema]

That's Merrucca's problem, too many people like you prefer war over healing.

Both are tools to promote different interests in the population. War favors the strong while healing favors the weak. Even as someone with multiple major health issues I still prefer war over healing.

 

[2aguy]

Below are the 50 most developed countries in the world ranked according to the UN Human Development index which measures development and standard of living through estimates of GDP per capita, life expectancy, and education. There are a total of 197 countries in the world today. 193 of those countries are part of the United Nations. 45 out of the 50 most developed countries in the world below provide UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for its citizens, essentially medicare for all. The following are the five countries from the list below that do not:

01. Cyprus
02. United Arab Emirates
03. Qatar
04. Bahrain
05. United States

Cyprus is currently In the process of moving to a Universal Healthcare system which will be completed in a few years. That will leave the United States alone with three Arab countries as being the only countries, of the 50 most developed in the world, that do not have Universal HealthCare.

Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens? How could anyone say that Universal HealthCare is impossible or too expensive for the United States when nearly all of the 50 most developed countries in the world provide it for its citizens?


50 MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD RANKED:

01 - Norway
02 - Switzerland
03 - Australia
04 - Ireland
05 - Germany
06 - Iceland
07 - San Marino
08 - Sweden
09 - Singapore
10 - Netherlands
11 - Denmark
12 Canada
13 - United States
14 - United Kingdom
15 - Monaco
16 - Vatican City
17 - Finland
18 - New Zealand
19 - Belgium
20 - Liechtenstein
21 - Japan
22 - Austria
23 - Luxembourg
24 - Israel
25 - Taiwan
26 - South Korea
27 - France
28 - Slovenia
29 - Spain
30 - Czech Republic
31 - Italy
32 - Malta
33 - Estonia
34 - Greece
35 - Cyprus
36 - Poland
37 - United Arab Emirates
38 - Andorra
39 - Lithuania
40 - Qatar
41 - Slovakia
42 - Brunei
43 - Saudi Arabia
44 - Latvia
45 - Portugal
46 - Bahrain
47 - Chile
48 - Hungary
49 - Croatia
50 - Argentina

Yes....and the only way they can afford their health care? The United States protects them with our military...and our nation provides all the drug research and medical innovation. Without us protecting them and providing them with miracle medicine, they wouldn't have anything.....and in fact, their universal healthcare systems are still poorly run and running out of money.......there is no free lunch....but the socialists will never realize that.

If we go to Universal Healthcare without market forces.....the healthcare systems of the welfare nations will collapse.....we will no longer be able to protect them from each other, and from Russia and China....they will have to pony up for their own national defense.....and their medical systems will stagnate and never advance....

 

[Taz]

I think that the richest country in the world could provide health care for all if it wanted to.

Platitudes aren't arguments, tovarich.

So you're saying that the richest country in the world can't do what tons of less wealthy countries can do? Um... nyet.