hahah yes, you are born with independent thoughts and actions.....biology, agreed.That's not a right you're born with it's a feature of human biology that you have independent thoughts and actions.
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hahah yes, you are born with independent thoughts and actions.....biology, agreed.That's not a right you're born with it's a feature of human biology that you have independent thoughts and actions.
Which isn't the same thing as a right. It's called a right because when one of these legal rights are violated you have a right to justice. No such right exists in nature. If you were robbed or assaulted by someone in nature you're just shit out of luck.hahah yes, you are born with independent thoughts and actions.....biology, agreed.
Sure it did, self-defense for example, existed prior to any Govt said it existed. Not sure where you got the idea Govt gave you that right. You have the right to exist, Govt didn't give you that.Which isn't the same thing as a right. It's called a right because when one of these legal rights are violated you have a right to justice. No such right exists in nature. If you were robbed or assaulted by someone in nature you're just shit out of luck.
You either do exist or you don't exist. A right to exist is superfluous without society supporting it with the force of law.Sure it did, self-defense for example, existed prior to any Govt said it existed. Not sure where you got the idea Govt gave you that right. You have the right to exist, Govt didn't give you that.
And you have a right to exist, ie defend yourself if need be.You either do exist or you don't exist. A right to exist is superfluous without society supporting it with the force of law.
Why didn't you have the courage to tell me it was God who granted us all our rights? Are you ashamed of the living God? I'm a Marxist-Leninist i.e. communist, and I believe in God. I don't have to agree 100% with Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin to ally myself with them when it comes to economics and how society at a national scale, should be organized.Yes I get leftist believe people aren’t born free.
You are the one talking about Mother Nature. Not me. I have simply said we are born with them. Jefferson believed they came from a God, I don’t disagree with him
No, we are born under the rule of Satan, until we are born again in Christ. This world is under the spell of the wicked one. A demonic world, full of demons:Yes I get leftist believe people aren’t born free.
You are the one talking about Mother Nature. Not me. I have simply said we are born with them. Jefferson believed they came from a God, I don’t disagree with him
No... you do exist and you may or may not have the ability to defend yourself. That's not a right, that's ability. Having a legal right to not have your life taken or property stolen means that even if your abilities fail you society and government will still seek justice on behalf of you and your family. In nature, if you fashion an axe and chop some wood and use that wood to build a home for you and your family and then someone comes by and murders you and your family that house is now theirs and no one is coming to avenge you. In a society with legal rights they don't get to profit from their villainy or live without the fear of the law catching up to them. That's the utility of legal rights. I don't yet understand the utility of natural rights when in nature people can murder you without consequence.And you have a right to exist, ie defend yourself if need be.
It does. It gives you legal rights and they're superior to natural rights which is why you live in a society protected by a government rather than out in the wild with thee assurances of nature.Humans can create laws, we do that through creating govt.
Since we create laws and govt, govt doesn’t give us rights
You've gone fully emotional and can't make rational arguments. My reasons to live have nothing to do with government. My family is the most important thing in my life and my reason for everything. Government is what gives me and my family legal protections, so long as we can maintain it.Progressives have gone full Commie and believe only government gives you any reason to live. The unfortunate part is that they are genetically unable to leave the rest of us alone. It won’t end well
God, his angels, Jesus, and His apostles, are all "full commie". God's angels don't capitalize on each other's needs. One could just as well respond to your rhetoric, that you believe only money, or the marketplace, gives you any reason to live. Progressives aren't communists, they're pro-capitalism. If you object then you've just made all of Western Europe, Japan, and several other industrialized nations around the world, "full commie".Progressives have gone full Commie and believe only government gives you any reason to live. The unfortunate part is that they are genetically unable to leave the rest of us alone. It won’t end well
Yeah you might not succeed in defending yourself…what’s your point? Doesn’t mean you don’t have tit right to try and defending yourselfNo... you do exist and you may or may not have the ability to defend yourself. That's not a right, that's ability. Having a legal right to not have your life taken or property stolen means that even if your abilities fail you society and government will still seek justice on behalf of you and your family. In nature, if you fashion an axe and chop some wood and use that wood to build a home for you and your family and then someone comes by and murders you and your family that house is now theirs and no one is coming to avenge you. In a society with legal rights they don't get to profit from their villainy or live without the fear of the law catching up to them. That's the utility of legal rights. I don't yet understand the utility of natural rights when in nature people can murder you without consequence.
It does. It gives you legal rights and they're superior to natural rights which is why you live in a society protected by a government rather than out in the wild with thee assurances of nature.
My point is that natural rights don't seem to have any utility. You can't see them, hear them, touch them, interact with them in any way and they do absolutely nothing for you that you can describe so why should I believe they really even exist? Your biology gives you some ability to defend yourself but if you get murdered or eaten by another predator in nature then your biological abilities weren't up to the challenge. At what point in all this do natural rights serve a purpose?Yeah you might not succeed in defending yourself…what’s your point? Doesn’t mean you don’t have tit right to try and defending yourself
sure they do, we have the united states for example, because our founders believed in natural rights.My point is that natural rights don't seem to have any utility. You can't see them, hear them, touch them, interact with them in any way and they do absolutely nothing for you that you can describe so why should I believe they really even exist? Your biology gives you some ability to defend yourself but if you get murdered or eaten by another predator in nature then your biological abilities weren't up to the challenge. At what point in all this do natural rights serve a purpose?
You can believe in something that doesn't make it true. Jews build temples Muslims build mosques, Buddhists build shrines, rastas build tabernacles, are all these beliefs factually correct? We build football stadiums and that's a game we invented. Just because you build a government around the idea of natural rights doesn't mean they're real.sure they do, we have the united states for example, because our founders believed in natural rights.
Only government is real, everything else is an opiate to keep the masses confused and docile, KomradeYou can believe in something that doesn't make it true. Jews build temples Muslims build mosques, Buddhists build shrines, rastas build tabernacles, are all these beliefs factually correct? We build football stadiums and that's a game we invented. Just because you build a government around the idea of natural rights doesn't mean they're real.
hey, you are free to believe you weren't born free....nobody is making you believe that you are free.You can believe in something that doesn't make it true. Jews build temples Muslims build mosques, Buddhists build shrines, rastas build tabernacles, are all these beliefs factually correct? We build football stadiums and that's a game we invented. Just because you build a government around the idea of natural rights doesn't mean they're real.
When you're done having this emotional moment try an argument that isn't a strawman.Only government is real, everything else is an opiate to keep the masses confused and docile, Komrade
That's not really an argument. That sounds like you conceding that you can't describe to me the utility of natural rights.hey, you are free to believe you weren't born free....nobody is making you believe that you are free.