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Yeah. A pellet gun. The parents of an eighth grader in Brownsville, Texas are outraged over the death of their teenage son to police bullets in what may have been a deadly misunderstanding. 15-year-old Jamie González was shot three times in a hallway at Cummings Middle School in Brownsville after a confrontation in which the police said the boy brandished and refused to drop what appeared to be a handgun. The weapon turned out to be a pellet gun that closely resembled the real thing, police said late Wednesday. What happened was an injustice.I know that my son wasn't perfect, but he was a great kid. - Noralva Gonzalez, Mother of 15 year-old Jaime González
"Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime González Sr., told The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?" Read more: Texas Teen Shot in School by Police Had a Pellet Gun | Fox News Latino What ever happend to SWAT? Special Weapons and Technniques. Was there any other way? Some will say no. Others will say yes. But it is pretty bad when your kid goes to middle school and comes out in a body bag.
Yeah. A pellet gun.
The parents of an eighth grader in Brownsville, Texas are outraged over the death of their teenage son to police bullets in what may have been a deadly misunderstanding.
15-year-old Jamie González was shot three times in a hallway at Cummings Middle School in Brownsville after a confrontation in which the police said the boy brandished and refused to drop what appeared to be a handgun. The weapon turned out to be a pellet gun that closely resembled the real thing, police said late Wednesday.
What happened was an injustice.I know that my son wasn't perfect, but he was a great kid.
- Noralva Gonzalez, Mother of 15 year-old Jaime González
"Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime González Sr., told The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?"
Read more: Texas Teen Shot in School by Police Had a Pellet Gun | Fox News Latino
What ever happend to SWAT? Special Weapons and Technniques. Was there any other way? Some will say no. Others will say yes. But it is pretty bad when your kid goes to middle school and comes out in a body bag.
Sunshine thinks the cops shot a kid because they were late for a coffee break.
You're a loon.
You think you know what someeone else thinks. You are delusional. Go take your Abilify.
Cops NEVER want to pull the trigger. Killing someone especially a kid is something they have to live with the rest of their lives.Look Sunshine! They tried to talk the kid down for 20 minutes and had no luck reasoning with him. A transcript of those 20 minutes would probably reveal an escalation despite the officer's attempts to diffuse the situation without deadly force.
While most LEO's do have a cursory training in dealing with this type of situation, they are not psychiatric nurses or or hostage negotiates like you see on TV. They are COPS. They are trained to see signs of threat and react immediately.
The kid held a gun towards police officers for 20 minutes. The question is why, at that moment, did an officer fire his weapon? Did the kid make some move, or say something at that moment that indicated he was about to shoot?
That seems a lot more likely than the cop simply was bored with the situation and was overdue for coffee break.
I love you, lady, but you are wrong here. The cop was 100% justified.
20 minutes is nothing. The kid wasn't shooting. They had time. If they didn't have the skill, they should have called in someone who DID have the skill. This was a serious error in judgment. I think your coffee break theory might have some credence. Too many people are impatient with young people these days. The see all our young people as nothing more than some kind of dirty scum, and even more so when they are Hispanic. I reference the numerous threads on 'anchor babies.' This kid was a drum major. He was part of the functional system of education, not some tattoo covered gang member.
I love you too! However, I have worked in the field of manics, panics, and satanics for 22 years. I've dealt with far worse, I can tell you. With no weapon of my own to use, and I'm still around to tell the stories.
I would encourage you to think about this one since you like bikes and tats. I have a friend who, several years ago bought a bike. He always talked of how differently people treated him and his wife when they were on the bike than they were treated driving their big luxury car. He said the experience taught him what it felt like to be a '******.' I don't know what flavor the cops were in this, but given the current temperment of the population, a LOT of people in America are and would be very willing to pull the trigger on an Hispanic kid much faster than they would on a white or a black kid.
Hallways have corners leading to other hallways. The police did not need to confront him in full view.Then how about the police officers removing themselves from the pointed gun?
The kid was in the hallway, and all the students were locked in their classes. Evacuate the students through the windows while waiting out the kid in the hallway - for as long as it takes.
What's the hurry, officers?
*bump*
Since the kid was trapped in the hallway, what was the hurry?
No one has answered yet.
It takes a tenth of a second for a gunman to pull a trigger and maybe another half second for a mortally wounded cop to fall to the floor. It seems to me that there was plenty of reason to hurry, unless you don't think the police have a right to go home to their families.
Wow, 20 minutes!!! Were their doughnuts getting stale?Look Sunshine! They tried to talk the kid down for 20 minutes and had no luck reasoning with him. A transcript of those 20 minutes would probably reveal an escalation despite the officer's attempts to diffuse the situation without deadly force.
While most LEO's do have a cursory training in dealing with this type of situation, they are not psychiatric nurses or or hostage negotiates like you see on TV. They are COPS. They are trained to see signs of threat and react immediately.
The kid held a gun towards police officers for 20 minutes. The question is why, at that moment, did an officer fire his weapon? Did the kid make some move, or say something at that moment that indicated he was about to shoot?
That seems a lot more likely than the cop simply was bored with the situation and was overdue for coffee break.
I love you, lady, but you are wrong here. The cop was 100% justified.
Funny how this runs counter to the wingnut line about Waco.It turned out later the kid was shot twice.
The kid was warned many times to put the gun down and he did not do it.
When you disobey the authorities you pay for it.
If the kid had put the gun down he would still be alive today.
Funny how this runs counter to the wingnut line about Waco.It turned out later the kid was shot twice.
The kid was warned many times to put the gun down and he did not do it.
When you disobey the authorities you pay for it.
If the kid had put the gun down he would still be alive today.
David Koresh was told by lawful authorities to put down his weapons and come out peaceably. Janet Reno gave him almost 60 days to do so. Then the FBI/ATF moved in.
But wingnuts criticize that.
The use of police force is the subject. Try to keep up.Funny how this runs counter to the wingnut line about Waco.It turned out later the kid was shot twice.
The kid was warned many times to put the gun down and he did not do it.
When you disobey the authorities you pay for it.
If the kid had put the gun down he would still be alive today.
David Koresh was told by lawful authorities to put down his weapons and come out peaceably. Janet Reno gave him almost 60 days to do so. Then the FBI/ATF moved in.
But wingnuts criticize that.
Riiiiiiiight. A young man brandishing a gun in a school has soooo much in common with Waco.
Cops NEVER want to pull the trigger. Killing someone especially a kid is something they have to live with the rest of their lives.Look Sunshine! They tried to talk the kid down for 20 minutes and had no luck reasoning with him. A transcript of those 20 minutes would probably reveal an escalation despite the officer's attempts to diffuse the situation without deadly force.
While most LEO's do have a cursory training in dealing with this type of situation, they are not psychiatric nurses or or hostage negotiates like you see on TV. They are COPS. They are trained to see signs of threat and react immediately.
The kid held a gun towards police officers for 20 minutes. The question is why, at that moment, did an officer fire his weapon? Did the kid make some move, or say something at that moment that indicated he was about to shoot?
That seems a lot more likely than the cop simply was bored with the situation and was overdue for coffee break.
I love you, lady, but you are wrong here. The cop was 100% justified.
20 minutes is nothing. The kid wasn't shooting. They had time. If they didn't have the skill, they should have called in someone who DID have the skill. This was a serious error in judgment. I think your coffee break theory might have some credence. Too many people are impatient with young people these days. The see all our young people as nothing more than some kind of dirty scum, and even more so when they are Hispanic. I reference the numerous threads on 'anchor babies.' This kid was a drum major. He was part of the functional system of education, not some tattoo covered gang member.
I love you too! However, I have worked in the field of manics, panics, and satanics for 22 years. I've dealt with far worse, I can tell you. With no weapon of my own to use, and I'm still around to tell the stories.
I would encourage you to think about this one since you like bikes and tats. I have a friend who, several years ago bought a bike. He always talked of how differently people treated him and his wife when they were on the bike than they were treated driving their big luxury car. He said the experience taught him what it felt like to be a '******.' I don't know what flavor the cops were in this, but given the current temperment of the population, a LOT of people in America are and would be very willing to pull the trigger on an Hispanic kid much faster than they would on a white or a black kid.
That said, their primary duty is to protect the public and then go home to their families. They can't very well do that if they are dead.
It makes little difference how old, or what nationality the person pointing a gun at you is. You are just as dead.
If I have faced someone, ANYONE, with a gun for 20 minutes and haven't fired in all that time, logic says something had to change for me to make a life or death decision at that specific moment.
No, it's not likely that at that specific moment, it became time for coffee break, or he suddenly craved a donut. It is much more likely that the LEO noticed an imminent threat and responded appropriately to it.
Cops NEVER want to pull the trigger. Killing someone especially a kid is something they have to live with the rest of their lives.20 minutes is nothing. The kid wasn't shooting. They had time. If they didn't have the skill, they should have called in someone who DID have the skill. This was a serious error in judgment. I think your coffee break theory might have some credence. Too many people are impatient with young people these days. The see all our young people as nothing more than some kind of dirty scum, and even more so when they are Hispanic. I reference the numerous threads on 'anchor babies.' This kid was a drum major. He was part of the functional system of education, not some tattoo covered gang member.
I love you too! However, I have worked in the field of manics, panics, and satanics for 22 years. I've dealt with far worse, I can tell you. With no weapon of my own to use, and I'm still around to tell the stories.
I would encourage you to think about this one since you like bikes and tats. I have a friend who, several years ago bought a bike. He always talked of how differently people treated him and his wife when they were on the bike than they were treated driving their big luxury car. He said the experience taught him what it felt like to be a '******.' I don't know what flavor the cops were in this, but given the current temperment of the population, a LOT of people in America are and would be very willing to pull the trigger on an Hispanic kid much faster than they would on a white or a black kid.
That said, their primary duty is to protect the public and then go home to their families. They can't very well do that if they are dead.
It makes little difference how old, or what nationality the person pointing a gun at you is. You are just as dead.
If I have faced someone, ANYONE, with a gun for 20 minutes and haven't fired in all that time, logic says something had to change for me to make a life or death decision at that specific moment.
No, it's not likely that at that specific moment, it became time for coffee break, or he suddenly craved a donut. It is much more likely that the LEO noticed an imminent threat and responded appropriately to it.
Earn, there are some out there who DO want to pull the trigger. And that's all they want to do. They would have spent time working with this kid if he had been white. And they would know the black community would raise holy hell if they shot one of theirs. But THIS? THIS was, no doubt to them, just another dirty 'anchor baby' who should either get the hell out of get the hell shot out of him.
Cops NEVER want to pull the trigger. Killing someone especially a kid is something they have to live with the rest of their lives.
That said, their primary duty is to protect the public and then go home to their families. They can't very well do that if they are dead.
It makes little difference how old, or what nationality the person pointing a gun at you is. You are just as dead.
If I have faced someone, ANYONE, with a gun for 20 minutes and haven't fired in all that time, logic says something had to change for me to make a life or death decision at that specific moment.
No, it's not likely that at that specific moment, it became time for coffee break, or he suddenly craved a donut. It is much more likely that the LEO noticed an imminent threat and responded appropriately to it.
Earn, there are some out there who DO want to pull the trigger. And that's all they want to do. They would have spent time working with this kid if he had been white. And they would know the black community would raise holy hell if they shot one of theirs. But THIS? THIS was, no doubt to them, just another dirty 'anchor baby' who should either get the hell out of get the hell shot out of him.
Please stop with the racist element. Chances are very good that the officers who shot him are Hispanic. The interim police chief is.
In that community, he would not have stood out because of his ethnicity.
He stood out because he had a gun in school.
Dewey Cornell, a psychologist and education professor at the University of Virginia, said that in most school shooting cases, someone knew beforehand about an armed student's distress.
He has as much right as you to deem the intervention appropriate or not.
That's true, but none of us are repeatedly demanding a response.
As usual mod staff has to cruise in and shore up the losing side.
That is as predictable as rain in Kentucky in the spring.
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Since the kid was trapped in the hallway, what was the hurry?
No one has answered yet.
It takes a tenth of a second for a gunman to pull a trigger and maybe another half second for a mortally wounded cop to fall to the floor. It seems to me that there was plenty of reason to hurry, unless you don't think the police have a right to go home to their families.
Earn, you and I rarely disagree. But in this situation, we have to part company. These guys were supposed to be skilled professionals with advanced training to deal with these situations. If the were they didn't use their training. If they weren't they shouldn't have been there. And, as I said before, this is coming from one who has dealt with one hell of a lot worse. With no gun to use, just words and skill.
It takes a tenth of a second for a gunman to pull a trigger and maybe another half second for a mortally wounded cop to fall to the floor. It seems to me that there was plenty of reason to hurry, unless you don't think the police have a right to go home to their families.
Earn, you and I rarely disagree. But in this situation, we have to part company. These guys were supposed to be skilled professionals with advanced training to deal with these situations. If the were they didn't use their training. If they weren't they shouldn't have been there. And, as I said before, this is coming from one who has dealt with one hell of a lot worse. With no gun to use, just words and skill.
you keep telling us how you've dealt with a*hell of a lot worse*, but i think someone who actually had would be a lot less likely to armchair qb a situation like this.
go figure
Pointing anything that appears to be a gun at a policeman is a very good way to get yourself shot - dead. The police did exactly what they should have done. Trying to put the blame on the police for this very stupid kids death is doing the police force a very big injustice. Why would a person take a pellet gun, or any other kind of gun, to school in the first place? Sorry.
Then how about the police officers removing themselves from the pointed gun?
The kid was in the hallway, and all the students were locked in their classes. Evacuate the students through the windows while waiting out the kid in the hallway - for as long as it takes.
What's the hurry, officers?
The kid acted in a stupid way and he got exactly what he deserved.
Funny, I never noticed what a piece of shit you were before.
