Texas Teen Killed by Police in School Had a Pellet Gun!

[M14 Shooter]

In another account, I read that the kid stated he was going to kill everybody.

At any rate- for all intents and purposes he was holding a loaded weapon and intended to use it.
How could the officers be expected to assume otherwise.

What did they do to 'talk him down?' That is what SWAT does. Why so quick on the draw? Because he looked Hispanic? Maybe?

Is there really a need here to race bait?

 

[theHawk]

"Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime González Sr., told The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?"



Read more: Texas Teen Shot in School by Police Had a Pellet Gun | Fox News Latino

What ever happend to SWAT? Special Weapons and Technniques. Was there any other way? Some will say no. Others will say yes. But it is pretty bad when your kid goes to middle school and comes out in a body bag.

Maybe because when the police are called and are told someone has a gun at a school, they are going to act as soon as possible? We've had many instances of mass killings at schools.

Why three bullets? Maybe because he was shot twice and still wouldn't drop the gun? Sounds to me like the cop did everything he could to stop the kid, and wasn't going to let the gunman reach other kids. Even if he was indeed shot a 3rd time in the back of the head, its completely justified if he was still holding the weapon and heading towards classrooms with other kids in them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yeah. A pellet gun.


The parents of an eighth grader in Brownsville, Texas are outraged over the death of their teenage son to police bullets in what may have been a deadly misunderstanding.

15-year-old Jamie González was shot three times in a hallway at Cummings Middle School in Brownsville after a confrontation in which the police said the boy brandished— and refused to drop — what appeared to be a handgun. The weapon turned out to be a pellet gun that closely resembled the real thing, police said late Wednesday.


What happened was an injustice.I know that my son wasn't perfect, but he was a great kid.
- Noralva Gonzalez, Mother of 15 year-old Jaime González


"Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime González Sr., told The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?"



Read more: Texas Teen Shot in School by Police Had a Pellet Gun | Fox News Latino

What ever happend to SWAT? Special Weapons and Technniques. Was there any other way? Some will say no. Others will say yes. But it is pretty bad when your kid goes to middle school and comes out in a body bag.

He was shot twice in the torso. And he was warned multiple times to put the weapon down. All the cops knew was he had a gun they believed to be real. The 15 year old made the choice to bring it to school, brandish it, make threatening statements, refuse to put it down and confront cops with it.

This was completely justified.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

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There was no shot to the back of the head, that was a cut probably from a fall.

He made the decision to arm himself and brandish it at a school. He made the choice to ignore commands to put it down, HE made the choice to point it at officers. Exactly when were they supposed to defend themselves and the children at the school? AFTER the kid shot someone? Remember the pellet gun LOOKED like a real gun.

Cops have every right to fire when a weapon is pointed at them. And he was to far away t6o use a stun gun. Completely justified. And race has nothing to do with it.

 

[bayoubill]

it's a sad thing when kids end up dying from bad judgment like that...

most common way it happens around here...?

a sample fill-in-the-blanks news release:

"(first name) (surname, usually a long-established local family), (age between 17 and 21), was killed in a one-car accident in the early morning hours last (Saturday/Sunday). Police report that (surname) apparently failed to negotiate a curve on (state-road number of a rural two-lane highway), left the highway, hit a (culvert, tree, other immovable object) and was thrown from the vehicle. (surname), who wasn't wearing a seat belt, died at the scene. Police, while awaiting toxicology results, suspect alcohol was a factor in the accident."

 

[kwc57]

Policemen have spouses and children that they like to come home to everynight just like anyone else. They work in a job where any day could be their last. When confronted with a person holding a weapon who won't put it down on command and even levels the weapon at you, it isn't a group hug sitauation to discuss their feelings and talk it out. They are trained to remove the threat thru deadly force. Most intelligent people which includes 15 year old teenagers know this. The policemen will have to live with the results of this kids bad decisions for the rest of their lives. I don't envy them......and I don't blame them.

 

[Synthaholic]

Pointing anything that appears to be a gun at a policeman is a very good way to get yourself shot - dead. The police did exactly what they should have done. Trying to put the blame on the police for this very stupid kids death is doing the police force a very big injustice. Why would a person take a pellet gun, or any other kind of gun, to school in the first place? Sorry.

Then how about the police officers removing themselves from the pointed gun?

The kid was in the hallway, and all the students were locked in their classes. Evacuate the students through the windows while waiting out the kid in the hallway - for as long as it takes.

What's the hurry, officers?

*bump*

Since the kid was trapped in the hallway, what was the hurry?

No one has answered yet.

 

[kwc57]

Pointing anything that appears to be a gun at a policeman is a very good way to get yourself shot - dead. The police did exactly what they should have done. Trying to put the blame on the police for this very stupid kids death is doing the police force a very big injustice. Why would a person take a pellet gun, or any other kind of gun, to school in the first place? Sorry.

Then how about the police officers removing themselves from the pointed gun?

The kid was in the hallway, and all the students were locked in their classes. Evacuate the students through the windows while waiting out the kid in the hallway - for as long as it takes.

What's the hurry, officers?

*bump*

Since the kid was trapped in the hallway, what was the hurry?

No one has answered yet.

How about you be the brave soul who walks up to him and talks to him while he's pointing a gun at you.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Pointing anything that appears to be a gun at a policeman is a very good way to get yourself shot - dead. The police did exactly what they should have done. Trying to put the blame on the police for this very stupid kids death is doing the police force a very big injustice. Why would a person take a pellet gun, or any other kind of gun, to school in the first place? Sorry.

Then how about the police officers removing themselves from the pointed gun?

The kid was in the hallway, and all the students were locked in their classes. Evacuate the students through the windows while waiting out the kid in the hallway - for as long as it takes.
What's the hurry, officers?

*bump*
Since the kid was trapped in the hallway, what was the hurry?
No one has answered yet.

Were you there?
Did you have the gun pointed at you?
No?
So who are you to second guess?

(Hint: Nobody)

 

[pegwinn]

Did the story lead to a racial angle? I don't understand the Hispanic reference.

The county in which Brownsville is located is about 85% Hispanic, so I'm not sure that there would be such an angle.

Did the story lead to a racial angle? I don't understand the Hispanic reference.

The county in which Brownsville is located is about 85% Hispanic, so I'm not sure that there would be such an angle.

Another clue would have been his name: Jamie González

The question was because the poster, in my opinion, tried to drop a race-card as a means of smearing the cops.

I don't care how old or small you are. If you are pointing what appears to be a loaded gun in my direction I am going to drop you and ask questions at your funeral. Unless there is more to this story, the cop was only doing his job. He'll also likely feel like shit the rest of his life.

 

[Sunshine]

Pointing anything that appears to be a gun at a policeman is a very good way to get yourself shot - dead. The police did exactly what they should have done. Trying to put the blame on the police for this very stupid kids death is doing the police force a very big injustice. Why would a person take a pellet gun, or any other kind of gun, to school in the first place? Sorry.

Then how about the police officers removing themselves from the pointed gun?

The kid was in the hallway, and all the students were locked in their classes. Evacuate the students through the windows while waiting out the kid in the hallway - for as long as it takes.

What's the hurry, officers?

*bump*

Since the kid was trapped in the hallway, what was the hurry?

No one has answered yet.

Exactly!

 

[Sunshine]

Then how about the police officers removing themselves from the pointed gun?

The kid was in the hallway, and all the students were locked in their classes. Evacuate the students through the windows while waiting out the kid in the hallway - for as long as it takes.

What's the hurry, officers?

*bump*

Since the kid was trapped in the hallway, what was the hurry?

No one has answered yet.

How about you be the brave soul who walks up to him and talks to him while he's pointing a gun at you.

No one has to 'walk up to him.' No one even had to be in the hall with him. There was not enough non violent intervention. It sounds as though there were ample reasons to try to de-escalate him before taking it to this extreme. I have had to intervene in multiple situations where the patient had a weapon and we did not have the option of killing the patient. Once an authority figure is given that option, there will be all kinds of abuses. This was an abuse of power.

 

[uscitizen]

Yeah. A pellet gun.


The parents of an eighth grader in Brownsville, Texas are outraged over the death of their teenage son to police bullets in what may have been a deadly misunderstanding.

15-year-old Jamie González was shot three times in a hallway at Cummings Middle School in Brownsville after a confrontation in which the police said the boy brandished— and refused to drop — what appeared to be a handgun. The weapon turned out to be a pellet gun that closely resembled the real thing, police said late Wednesday.


What happened was an injustice.I know that my son wasn't perfect, but he was a great kid.
- Noralva Gonzalez, Mother of 15 year-old Jaime González


"Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime González Sr., told The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?"



Read more: Texas Teen Shot in School by Police Had a Pellet Gun | Fox News Latino

What ever happend to SWAT? Special Weapons and Technniques. Was there any other way? Some will say no. Others will say yes. But it is pretty bad when your kid goes to middle school and comes out in a body bag.

Sounds kinda like a Darwins Award entry.
I have to wonder if he sought "suicide by police"?

 

[Sunshine]

Did the story lead to a racial angle? I don't understand the Hispanic reference.

The county in which Brownsville is located is about 85% Hispanic, so I'm not sure that there would be such an angle.

The county in which Brownsville is located is about 85% Hispanic, so I'm not sure that there would be such an angle.

Another clue would have been his name: Jamie González

The question was because the poster, in my opinion, tried to drop a race-card as a means of smearing the cops.

I don't care how old or small you are. If you are pointing what appears to be a loaded gun in my direction I am going to drop you and ask questions at your funeral. Unless there is more to this story, the cop was only doing his job. He'll also likely feel like shit the rest of his life.

That is the pass that bureaucrats generally get.

 

[uscitizen]

I wonder if Carlos Norris is weighing in on this?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The county in which Brownsville is located is about 85% Hispanic, so I'm not sure that there would be such an angle.

Another clue would have been his name: Jamie González

The question was because the poster, in my opinion, tried to drop a race-card as a means of smearing the cops.

I don't care how old or small you are. If you are pointing what appears to be a loaded gun in my direction I am going to drop you and ask questions at your funeral. Unless there is more to this story, the cop was only doing his job. He'll also likely feel like shit the rest of his life.

That is the pass that bureaucrats generally get.

You are giving a pass simply cause the person that CHOSE to get killed was 15. Which by the way is old enough to know what was going to happen when he chose his actions. And he did choose them. HE not the cops forced the situation. he not the cops set the stage and created the environment that lead to the obvious conclusion. He chose to point a weapon at cops.

Lets break it down. Shall we?

A school full of kids. A person with a gun. A locked door does not stop a gun. All one need do is shoot the lock. The cops had no choice but to confront him. NONE. And once he brandished that gun at them they had no choice but to shoot him. And no cops are not some kind of marksmen specialists they shoot for center mass or risk the lives of those kids, their partners or themselves.

 

[Sunshine]

The question was because the poster, in my opinion, tried to drop a race-card as a means of smearing the cops.

I don't care how old or small you are. If you are pointing what appears to be a loaded gun in my direction I am going to drop you and ask questions at your funeral. Unless there is more to this story, the cop was only doing his job. He'll also likely feel like shit the rest of his life.

That is the pass that bureaucrats generally get.

You are giving a pass simply cause the person that CHOSE to get killed was 15. Which by the way is old enough to know what was going to happen when he chose his actions. And he did choose them. HE not the cops forced the situation. he not the cops set the stage and created the environment that lead to the obvious conclusion. He chose to point a weapon at cops.

Lets break it down. Shall we?

A school full of kids. A person with a gun. A locked door does not stop a gun. All one need do is shoot the lock. The cops had no choice but to confront him. NONE. And once he brandished that gun at them they had no choice but to shoot him. And no cops are not some kind of marksmen specialists they shoot for center mass or risk the lives of those kids, their partners or themselves.

As one who has intervened in situations actually as dangerous as this appeared and more so, all I can say is that your take is patently ridiculous. I hope those cops get fired. Or sent to jail. Or both.

 

[Sunshine]

There are just too many Quick Draw McGraws in the world. And many of them are on this thread!

 

[pegwinn]

As one who has intervened in situations actually as dangerous as this appeared and more so, all I can say is that your take is patently ridiculous. I hope those cops get fired. Or sent to jail. Or both.

I disagree. The cop was protecting a buttload of potential child victims.

Having said that I do respect your position. A friend of mine is an ER nurse and another is a correctional nurse. The stories they have told are...... telling.

 

[Crackerjack]

I think it's worth pointing out that, thus far, all there is to go on is what has been reported in the news. How close the story they're telling is to the actual facts of what happened is anyone's guess.