Tea Party goals

[JakeStarkey]

And we're supposed to believe someone that is a proven liar.

No thanks!

OK, we will take you at your own statement. We won't believe you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

In the overall Congress, Tea Party supporters in the GOP total 162 (simply combine the House and Senate numbers). Compare that to the total number of Republicans in Congress (278), and you get 58% of the Republicans in Congress are Tea Party supporters.

The blog has the numbers wrong, counting folks that are not TeaPs. Simply because a GOP critter in Congress is conservative does not make him a TeaPs.

Anywhere from 1/2 to 2/3ds of the remaining TeaPs will be removed next year "because they have accomplished nothing in job creation, helping a sluggish economy, and cost the American taxpayer $24billion recently."

I hope you're correct but I fear that will not be the case because so many of their constituents are just as radical and unrealistic as their candidates.

For the two party system to work, the parties must be able to work together or at least negotiate with one another and that is just not possible with the TP controlling the House.

I know the lower South inside and out.

The teens and millenials are generally more conservative than their peers across the country, but feel their parents' and grandparents' fears of Hispanics, gays, abortions, and so forth are just hysteria.

Their vote will increase as the elders die out over the next twenty years.

TPM hysteria is nothing more than the death throes of the generation that lost the culture wars of the 1950s to the 1970s.

 

[JakeStarkey]

TPM lost half of the seats in 2012 that they won in 2010.

They will lose at least 14, maybe 21, of the remaining 37 next year.

The TPM RINOs are in dire danger because they have accomplished nothing in job creation, helping a sluggish economy, and cost the American taxpayer $24billion recently.

Buncha losers, soon to be blown away by the wind of history.

Without Republican Moderates dragging the ticket down and George Soros hiring the campaign manager, Starkeycrats fear the 2014 midterm will be another Dem shellacking with Obamacare as the central theme

The GOP cannot win with the far right only is the fact. Nominate a Santorum or a Cruz and the dem will win 60% of the vote in 2016. In 2014, the House is in dire danger of going Democratic because of TPM fail.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

And we're supposed to believe someone that is a proven liar.

No thanks!

OK, we will take you at your own statement. We won't believe you.

Trust me I'm not the only one that sees you as a liar. And I'm not trying to convince anyone of that fact. They can see your post for themselves and decide.

No lie one more time about how you're a Republican.

Then explain how it is that you always seem to go against the conservatives in this forum and side with liberals.

Oh and give me a list of Republicans that have railed against Reagan and defended Obama.

 

[regent]

OUR MISSION

The Tea Party Patriots’ mission is to restore America’s founding principles of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.

OUR CORE PRINCIPLES

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY means not overspending, and not burdening our children and grandchildren with our bills. In the words of Thomas Jefferson: “the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity [is] swindling futurity on a large scale.” A more fiscally responsible government will take fewer taxes from our paychecks.

CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT means power resides with the people and not with the government. Governing should be done at the most local level possible where it can be held accountable. America’s founders believed that government power should be limited, enumerated, and constrained by our Constitution. Tea Party Patriots agree. The American people make this country great, not our government.

FREE MARKET ECONOMICS made America an economic superpower that for at least two centuries provided subsequent generations of Americans more opportunities and higher standards of living. An erosion of our free markets through government intervention is at the heart of America’s current economic decline, stagnating jobs, and spiraling debt and deficits. Failures in government programs and government-controlled financial markets helped spark the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Further government interventions and takeovers have made this Great Recession longer and deeper. A renewed focus on free markets will lead to a more vibrant economy creating jobs and higher standards of living for future generations.

The framers of the Constitution took power, a lot of power, from local government and gave it to the national government. Under the new Constitution, America never had a free market system, not then not now. Have you ever read the causes of the Great Depression? Can you name the nations on this planet that have a free market economy today?

 

[JakeStarkey]

eagle forgot "to stick ultrasound wands up women's vaginas".

If only the TPM had tried job creation and help to a sluggish economy.

But they couldn't even do that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Misery index would be in the economic category. Did you need an itemized list?

Yes I can define socialism.


so·cial·ism
noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Anymore dumb questions?

There are least ten major types of socialism, which type is this? It seems to be somewhat of a mixture. Do any of them apply to Obamacare?
Does any of your definition apply to Obamacare?

I think your trying to complicate things. Which isn't in your best interest given your mental deficiency.

Obamacare is an attempt to control the healthcare industry which is about one sixth of our economy.

Government control over a major industry is the definition of socialism (see above).

So I'll ignore your first question because the definition has been provided and answer the second and third which are the same questions just phrased differently with an affirmative.

Considering that your commentary is wrong, you have shown that you are mentally deficient.

What the rest of America is asking is "Obama et al are involved because the GOP refused to address this when they had the chance?"

The answer is "yes".

 

[eagle1462010]

OUR MISSION

The Tea Party Patriots’ mission is to restore America’s founding principles of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.

OUR CORE PRINCIPLES

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY means not overspending, and not burdening our children and grandchildren with our bills. In the words of Thomas Jefferson: “the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity [is] swindling futurity on a large scale.” A more fiscally responsible government will take fewer taxes from our paychecks.

CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT means power resides with the people and not with the government. Governing should be done at the most local level possible where it can be held accountable. America’s founders believed that government power should be limited, enumerated, and constrained by our Constitution. Tea Party Patriots agree. The American people make this country great, not our government.

FREE MARKET ECONOMICS made America an economic superpower that for at least two centuries provided subsequent generations of Americans more opportunities and higher standards of living. An erosion of our free markets through government intervention is at the heart of America’s current economic decline, stagnating jobs, and spiraling debt and deficits. Failures in government programs and government-controlled financial markets helped spark the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Further government interventions and takeovers have made this Great Recession longer and deeper. A renewed focus on free markets will lead to a more vibrant economy creating jobs and higher standards of living for future generations.

The framers of the Constitution took power, a lot of power, from local government and gave it to the national government. Under the new Constitution, America never had a free market system, not then not now. Have you ever read the causes of the Great Depression? Can you name the nations on this planet that have a free market economy today?

Anyone who reads the Federalist Papers and Madison would know you are incorrect on what they intended on Power in the Gov't. The Founders preached limited Gov't, and Checks and Balances on all of them to ensure no Branch got too much power. Which is why they created a Republic and not a pure Democracy.

The Great Depression. Your fishing for an answer here, and you will not get it from me. Ask the PROGRESSIVE Woodrow Wilson Why....................One who changed the FOUNDERS INTENT of the Constitution to extreme measures.

Excessive speculation caused the great depression, via the FIAT CURRENCY of the day. Which is why they created the Glass Steagall ACT to prevent it from happening again. Which was repealed and caused the last crash.

Free Market Economy. Look at California and then look at Texas. Business leave California to escape the LEFTIST and STATIST because of their anti business regulations and Tax system. Yet Texas gains jobs and business. That's the difference in a nut shell.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Read it and others as you wish. Clearly they wanted the States to maintain most of the power.


Annenberg Classroom - Article I Section 8

Section 8 - The Meaning
Article I, Section 8, specifies the powers of Congress in great detail. These powers are limited to those listed and those that are "necessary and proper" to carry them out. All other lawmaking powers are left to the states. The First Congress, concerned that the limited nature of the federal government was not clear enough in the original Constitution, later adopted Amendment X, which reserves to the states or to the people all the powers not specifically granted to the federal government.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

There are least ten major types of socialism, which type is this? It seems to be somewhat of a mixture. Do any of them apply to Obamacare?
Does any of your definition apply to Obamacare?

I think your trying to complicate things. Which isn't in your best interest given your mental deficiency.

Obamacare is an attempt to control the healthcare industry which is about one sixth of our economy.

Government control over a major industry is the definition of socialism (see above).

So I'll ignore your first question because the definition has been provided and answer the second and third which are the same questions just phrased differently with an affirmative.

Considering that your commentary is wrong, you have shown that you are mentally deficient.

What the rest of America is asking is "Obama et al are involved because the GOP refused to address this when they had the chance?"

The answer is "yes".

Hey stupid, stay out of my thread!

This is a discussion about socialism you moron!!

 

[Sallow]

Limited the size of government, strong national security, eliminate excessive taxes, eliminate the national debt, eliminate deficit spending, protect free markets, abide by the constitution, promote civic responsibility and maintain local independence to name a few goals.

Which do you have a problem with?

How long does it take for Americans to recognize these are same goals promised in so many elections for so many years and never achieved? Most of Americans are on to these pie-in-the-sky scams. In fact, they look similar to Reagan's goals and yet under
Reagan taxes went up, government grew and and the debt tripled under Reagan.
The problem I have with the goals are they are designed for Americans that still believe in a Parson Weem's America where George Washington chopped down a cherry tree.

These are scams huh?

Under Reagan the Cold War was ended.

Under Reaganomics, 16 million new jobs were created.

Reagan inherited a misery index (the sum of the inflation and unemployment rates) of 19.99%, and when he left office it had dropped to 9.72%

The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty he signed with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev eliminated an entire class of nuclear weapons.

He also laid the framework with Gorbachev for the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), which reduced both countries’ arsenals of nuclear weapons.

The question is how long will it take for Americas to realized socialism doesn't work?

Cold War ended, huh?

Under Reagan, who basically created Al Qaeda, we spent billions on the military. So of course there were plenty of jobs "created". They were created by government spending.

Then, after the "collapse" of the Soviet Union, the US spent billions propping up the Russian economy. Which, by the way, eventually went back to becoming an Oligarchy and an adversary.

Reagan also presided over several financial collapses which, surprise surprise, it took billions to bailout.

And Reagan, one of the biggest opponents to "Socialized Medicine" or Medicare, actually wound up EXPANDING it!

Reagan OKs Expansion of Medicare Aid : Adds Warning About Necessity to Keep Costs Under Control - Los Angeles Times

Seems your fairy tale about Ronny just got riddled with a little "Socialistic" reality.

Reagan was as much of a "Socialist" as Obama..if not more so.

 

[Flopper]

Tea Party Goal: Not very complicated, really. Just read the Constitution. Focus on Article I, Section 8, and take the Tenth Amendment seriously. There you have it.

It is a dream, of course, because once people get used to sucking at the Government's teats it is impossible for them to let go, but the closer we get the better it will be.

Even the Supreme Court can't completely ignore the Constitution, even when they toss it in the garbage can (figuratively speaking). Notice that the turncoat Roberts had to twist the ACA penalty into a "tax" in order to justify Congress requiring that people buy insurance - a grotesquely unconstitutional mandate under any rational reading of the document.

The most difficult goals can often be stated very simply but reaching those goals is often very difficult if not impossible. Few people would dispute that eliminating excess taxes, reducing the national debt, eliminating deficits, protecting free markets, promoting civic responsibility, etc.. are a bad thing. However, it is the methods of reaching those goals that most people will not support.

Finally after years of Tea Party rhetoric, the public is beginning to realize that it's better to make small improvements than pursue radical Tea Party changes that are domed to failure. What the Tea Party does not understand is that although most people hate big government, they want the services provided by big government. They want the entitlement programs, protection of the environment, strong national defense and a multitude of other government services.

 

[DGS49]

Putting it another way, creeping socialism has gradually resulted in a system where half of the population pays no federal income taxes and half of the population (largely the same group) is dependent on government for a significant portion of their upkeep.

So for a "conservative" to win a national office, he has to capture the votes of 80% of the productive voters (SS doesn't compromise all of its beneficiaries).

Nevertheless, we keep hearing from Democrats that the Republicans cannot win with an "extremist" candidate. But history argues against that point. We nominated moderates in 2012 and 2008, and lost.

Bush 43 ran as a conservative and won, twice. Bush 41 ran initially as a conservative and won. Then he COMPROMISED with the Democrats on taxes (i.e., changed to "modeerate"), and lost. Reagan ran as an unapologetic conservative and won twice.

An articulate conservative can win, provided he can avoid being politically assassinated by the MSM during the campaign.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I think your trying to complicate things. Which isn't in your best interest given your mental deficiency.

Obamacare is an attempt to control the healthcare industry which is about one sixth of our economy.

Government control over a major industry is the definition of socialism (see above).

So I'll ignore your first question because the definition has been provided and answer the second and third which are the same questions just phrased differently with an affirmative.

Considering that your commentary is wrong, you have shown that you are mentally deficient.

What the rest of America is asking is "Obama et al are involved because the GOP refused to address this when they had the chance?"

The answer is "yes".

Hey stupid, stay out of my thread! This is a discussion about socialism you moron!!

You stay on track!

One, you have not shown that ACA is socialism at all.

Two, you have not shown that ACA is here because the GOP and free market alternatives failed.

I have every right to point out the deficiencies of the thread.