Surprise! It's a Muslim!

[Coyote]

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. .

Which passages?

Al-Baqara 256 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Jihad A Misunderstood Concept from Islam - Forced Conversion
No Forced Conversions - Understanding Islam

Was Islam Spread by the Sword?
Islamic FAQ - Conflict and Terrorism
Misconception Islam was spread by the sword

The articles include passages that are relevant along with some explanation and context.

That is not claiming there are/were no forceable conversions or intolerance or warfare to spread religion. Islam is, historically not much different than Christianity. Both are products of their history.

 

[Coyote]

...Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.

That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky.

That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.

Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.

We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.

But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.

There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.

More would suffer if nothing is done, and we continue down this path of tolerating the intolerants and taking it in the chin without proper course of action. We have an enemy thiat is ideological and has declared war on us whether we like it or not. Just like Communism was declared an enemy and we refused entry to those who subscribe to it, we can do the same here.

We are not too far away from a major Islamic terror attack killing hundreds of thousands if not millions. At that point martial law will be announced and the freedoms and civil liberties that this country was built upon will be forgotten.

We can at least deny Islam status as an official religion. Making it non tax deductible, and taking away the protections other religions are granted. The Italians have recognized Islam as an intolerant oppressive faith and incompatible with their democracy and way of life. Islam is also not recognized as a religion in Japan, and banned in China and Angola. And most European countries have banned certain Islamic aspects, such as Islamic headscarves, veils and burqas, and other tenements of Shariah law.

It's time to stop being politically correct and call it what it is.

I totally disagree. Islam is a religion - just like a boatload of others we recognize in this country. Americans who are Muslim are no different than Americans who are Jewish, Catholic, Pentacostolist or Bhuddhist. As a nation one of our core values is freedom of and tolerance of differing religions. That is NOT being politically correct.

So you remove Constitutional protections from Muslims - who are American citizens, who have committed no crime. Who's next? What American group is next?

 

[Coyote]

When are all these "moderate" muslims going to step forward and KILL the jihadists? They continue to claim they practice a "religion of peace" yet if you look closely at the Koran, there's not much peace in it when it comes to apostates and us infidels. Let's get real here.....these supposed "moderates" are side-liners waiting to see who wins. I believe we've shown enough tolerance to those who do nothing to rid us of terrorism. I'd close every mosque in the US until ISIL and al-Qaida and the others declare their intention to lay down arms and go home.

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

ISIL and al-Qaida are not representative of all Muslims.

 

[Roudy]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

There absolutely IS. It's not even a debatable point.

Of course it's debatable.

The "fundamental tenants of Islam" are the Five Pillars.

There is no tenant of "mass murder".

So after you outlaw Islam, how do you punish the people who continue to practice it?

You don't allow it the same accords and rights as you would other recognized faiths. That would be a starter.

 

[Coyote]

Again - where is it a "fundamental tenant" of Islam?

It's not even "followed" by a majority, or close.

what does "FOLLOWED" mean? I have known lots of muslims-------who never killed anyone------but just about all
found the idea of SHARIAH to be------UTOPIA -----(---lol---
you don't understand-----what a GOOD SOCIETY THE TALIBAN ARE CREATING<<< I got that one from a young
Pakistani doc------who had no idea that my own hubby was born in a shariah cesspit------or even that I am a jew) In accordance with SHARIAH LAW------all non monotheists are to be killed-------and all non muslim monotheists must be
SUBJUGATED ---virtually enslaved ---to the filth of Islamic rule and oppression------<<<< A BASIC TENET OF ISLAM-----absolutely------now find the muslim clerics who reject that one or even the average muslims who will KNOCK IT

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. Public opinion polls have frequently shown a majority of Muslims around the world oppose violent extremism. It's certainly not a "tenant" of the faith even it it's practiced by some cultures.

Coyote---it is very clear to me that you do not know any muslims-------and certainly do not know any people from
any shariah cesspits and have probably never been in a mosque------you seem not to really know anything about
Judaism. One of the amusing things that muslims say is
SHARIAH IS LIKE HALAKAH -------long ago I was watching a lecture (televised) with a bunch of people----jews---generally family and friends ------a muslim speaker-----was
EXPLAINING ISLAM-----and said "shariah is like halakah"---the people who LAUGHED the hardest were those who had survived a shariah cesspit You do parrot
Islamic propaganda well

How Sharia is interpreted and applied varies around the world and depends on the individual country/culture. In western countries or modern socieites, it's little different than Halakah.

Coyote----your comment makes no sense at all-----you are proving yourself stupid. Shariah is not practiced in western and non barbaric societies. I am referring to the
system known as SHARIAH------it includes a SYSTEM OF LAW---an ORDER OF SOCIETY-----and a RELIGION and also MANDATORY SUBJUGATION OF NON MUSLIMS----it is not ---- "I go to a mosque on Friday because I am a muslim just like protestants go to church and sing a Hymn" you are quoting Islamic propaganda

Yes. It is. For example halal is sharia.

What is Sharia Islam A Closer Look

 

[Roudy]

...Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.

That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky.

That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.

Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.

We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.

But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.

There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.

More would suffer if nothing is done, and we continue down this path of tolerating the intolerants and taking it in the chin without proper course of action. We have an enemy thiat is ideological and has declared war on us whether we like it or not. Just like Communism was declared an enemy and we refused entry to those who subscribe to it, we can do the same here.

We are not too far away from a major Islamic terror attack killing hundreds of thousands if not millions. At that point martial law will be announced and the freedoms and civil liberties that this country was built upon will be forgotten.

We can at least deny Islam status as an official religion. Making it non tax deductible, and taking away the protections other religions are granted. The Italians have recognized Islam as an intolerant oppressive faith and incompatible with their democracy and way of life. Islam is also not recognized as a religion in Japan, and banned in China and Angola. And most European countries have banned certain Islamic aspects, such as Islamic headscarves, veils and burqas, and other tenements of Shariah law.

It's time to stop being politically correct and call it what it is.

I totally disagree. Islam is a religion - just like a boatload of others we recognize in this country. Americans who are Muslim are no different than Americans who are Jewish, Catholic, Pentacostolist or Bhuddhist. As a nation one of our core values is freedom of and tolerance of differing religions. That is NOT being politically correct.

So you remove Constitutional protections from Muslims - who are American citizens, who have committed no crime. Who's next? What American group is next?

Practicing an ideology who's followers seem to show intolerance and violence towards others, might be a constitutional right, but not necessarily considered a recognized faith. You can also be a communist or a white supremacist, that is your constitutional right, but that doesn't mean they have to be recognized as faiths, when they are found to be incompatible with Western ideals and democracy, as Islam has clearly shown itself to be.

 

[BullKurtz]

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

ISIL and al-Qaida are not representative of all Muslims.

I didn't say they were did I? What I did say is we see not even a timid condemnation of the jihadists by these supposed "moderates". I'd like to see an army of muslims who detest the terrorists and murder them according to sharia. Fat chance.

 

[Roudy]

When are all these "moderate" muslims going to step forward and KILL the jihadists? They continue to claim they practice a "religion of peace" yet if you look closely at the Koran, there's not much peace in it when it comes to apostates and us infidels. Let's get real here.....these supposed "moderates" are side-liners waiting to see who wins. I believe we've shown enough tolerance to those who do nothing to rid us of terrorism. I'd close every mosque in the US until ISIL and al-Qaida and the others declare their intention to lay down arms and go home.

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

ISIL and al-Qaida are not representative of all Muslims.

Muslims beg to differ. They laugh every time somebody in the West says this. A better way to put it would be to say that ISIS and Al Queda are "purist" Muslims, in other words, they are practicing it literally. Iran's Islamic republic is another example of purist Islam, although the Shi'ite version.

 

[Roudy]

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. .

Which passages?

Al-Baqara 256 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Jihad A Misunderstood Concept from Islam - Forced Conversion
No Forced Conversions - Understanding Islam

Was Islam Spread by the Sword?
Islamic FAQ - Conflict and Terrorism
Misconception Islam was spread by the sword

The articles include passages that are relevant along with some explanation and context.

That is not claiming there are/were no forceable conversions or intolerance or warfare to spread religion. Islam is, historically not much different than Christianity. Both are products of their history.

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. .

Which passages?

Al-Baqara 256 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Jihad A Misunderstood Concept from Islam - Forced Conversion
No Forced Conversions - Understanding Islam

Was Islam Spread by the Sword?
Islamic FAQ - Conflict and Terrorism
Misconception Islam was spread by the sword

The articles include passages that are relevant along with some explanation and context.

That is not claiming there are/were no forceable conversions or intolerance or warfare to spread religion. Islam is, historically not much different than Christianity. Both are products of their history.

Islam predominately spread by the sword and forcible invasions and conversions. The people that "submitted willingly" was because they had seen what would become of them if they didn't.

 

[Coyote]

...Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.

That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky.

That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.

Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.

We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.

But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.

There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.

More would suffer if nothing is done, and we continue down this path of tolerating the intolerants and taking it in the chin without proper course of action. We have an enemy thiat is ideological and has declared war on us whether we like it or not. Just like Communism was declared an enemy and we refused entry to those who subscribe to it, we can do the same here.

We are not too far away from a major Islamic terror attack killing hundreds of thousands if not millions. At that point martial law will be announced and the freedoms and civil liberties that this country was built upon will be forgotten.

We can at least deny Islam status as an official religion. Making it non tax deductible, and taking away the protections other religions are granted. The Italians have recognized Islam as an intolerant oppressive faith and incompatible with their democracy and way of life. Islam is also not recognized as a religion in Japan, and banned in China and Angola. And most European countries have banned certain Islamic aspects, such as Islamic headscarves, veils and burqas, and other tenements of Shariah law.

It's time to stop being politically correct and call it what it is.

I totally disagree. Islam is a religion - just like a boatload of others we recognize in this country. Americans who are Muslim are no different than Americans who are Jewish, Catholic, Pentacostolist or Bhuddhist. As a nation one of our core values is freedom of and tolerance of differing religions. That is NOT being politically correct.

So you remove Constitutional protections from Muslims - who are American citizens, who have committed no crime. Who's next? What American group is next?

Practicing an ideology who's followers seem to show intolerance and violence towards others, might be a constitutional right, but not necessarily considered a recognized faith. You can also be a communist or a white supremacist, that is your constitutional right, but that doesn't mean they have to be recognized as faiths, when they are found to be incompatible with Western ideals and democracy, as Islam has clearly shown itself to be.

Muslims in the US are no less intolerant or violent than our other faiths. Do we strip the constitutional rights from every faith that has violent extremists among them or is there some magic number where upon we decide they no longer qualify? We're talking just the US here.

Communists and white supremacists are not recognized as religions and never have been....

 

[Roudy]

That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky.

That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.

Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.

We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.

But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.

There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.

More would suffer if nothing is done, and we continue down this path of tolerating the intolerants and taking it in the chin without proper course of action. We have an enemy thiat is ideological and has declared war on us whether we like it or not. Just like Communism was declared an enemy and we refused entry to those who subscribe to it, we can do the same here.

We are not too far away from a major Islamic terror attack killing hundreds of thousands if not millions. At that point martial law will be announced and the freedoms and civil liberties that this country was built upon will be forgotten.

We can at least deny Islam status as an official religion. Making it non tax deductible, and taking away the protections other religions are granted. The Italians have recognized Islam as an intolerant oppressive faith and incompatible with their democracy and way of life. Islam is also not recognized as a religion in Japan, and banned in China and Angola. And most European countries have banned certain Islamic aspects, such as Islamic headscarves, veils and burqas, and other tenements of Shariah law.

It's time to stop being politically correct and call it what it is.

I totally disagree. Islam is a religion - just like a boatload of others we recognize in this country. Americans who are Muslim are no different than Americans who are Jewish, Catholic, Pentacostolist or Bhuddhist. As a nation one of our core values is freedom of and tolerance of differing religions. That is NOT being politically correct.

So you remove Constitutional protections from Muslims - who are American citizens, who have committed no crime. Who's next? What American group is next?

Practicing an ideology who's followers seem to show intolerance and violence towards others, might be a constitutional right, but not necessarily considered a recognized faith. You can also be a communist or a white supremacist, that is your constitutional right, but that doesn't mean they have to be recognized as faiths, when they are found to be incompatible with Western ideals and democracy, as Islam has clearly shown itself to be.

Muslims in the US are no less intolerant or violent than our other faiths. Do we strip the constitutional rights from every faith that has violent extremists among them or is there some magic number where upon we decide they no longer qualify? We're talking just the US here.

Communists and white supremacists are not recognized as religions and never have been....

Yes, in order to protect the constitution, our democracy, and the ideals which this nation has been built upon, it is necessary to deny Islam, an ideology which promotes intolerance and violence towards women, gays, and other religions, the status of an official religion. This obviously won't happen anytime soon, however, it surely will when a major catastrophic terrorist event occurs in North America or Europe. At that point all the apologist arguments will be null and void.

 

[Coyote]

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. .

Which passages?

Al-Baqara 256 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Jihad A Misunderstood Concept from Islam - Forced Conversion
No Forced Conversions - Understanding Islam

Was Islam Spread by the Sword?
Islamic FAQ - Conflict and Terrorism
Misconception Islam was spread by the sword

The articles include passages that are relevant along with some explanation and context.

That is not claiming there are/were no forceable conversions or intolerance or warfare to spread religion. Islam is, historically not much different than Christianity. Both are products of their history.

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. .

Which passages?

Al-Baqara 256 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Jihad A Misunderstood Concept from Islam - Forced Conversion
No Forced Conversions - Understanding Islam

Was Islam Spread by the Sword?
Islamic FAQ - Conflict and Terrorism
Misconception Islam was spread by the sword

The articles include passages that are relevant along with some explanation and context.

That is not claiming there are/were no forceable conversions or intolerance or warfare to spread religion. Islam is, historically not much different than Christianity. Both are products of their history.

Islam predominately spread by the sword and forcible invasions and conversions. The people that "submitted willingly" was because they had seen what would become of them if they didn't.

What Muslim army forcibly invaded and converted Indonesia - the most populous Muslim nation?
Spread of Islam in Indonesia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It's spread was historically not much different than Christianity and other religions - even that of Rome. The conquerer gets to impose his deities on the populace. Sometimes it's a peaceful absorbtion sometimes it's more forceable.

 

[Coyote]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.

There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.

More would suffer if nothing is done, and we continue down this path of tolerating the intolerants and taking it in the chin without proper course of action. We have an enemy thiat is ideological and has declared war on us whether we like it or not. Just like Communism was declared an enemy and we refused entry to those who subscribe to it, we can do the same here.

We are not too far away from a major Islamic terror attack killing hundreds of thousands if not millions. At that point martial law will be announced and the freedoms and civil liberties that this country was built upon will be forgotten.

We can at least deny Islam status as an official religion. Making it non tax deductible, and taking away the protections other religions are granted. The Italians have recognized Islam as an intolerant oppressive faith and incompatible with their democracy and way of life. Islam is also not recognized as a religion in Japan, and banned in China and Angola. And most European countries have banned certain Islamic aspects, such as Islamic headscarves, veils and burqas, and other tenements of Shariah law.

It's time to stop being politically correct and call it what it is.

I totally disagree. Islam is a religion - just like a boatload of others we recognize in this country. Americans who are Muslim are no different than Americans who are Jewish, Catholic, Pentacostolist or Bhuddhist. As a nation one of our core values is freedom of and tolerance of differing religions. That is NOT being politically correct.

So you remove Constitutional protections from Muslims - who are American citizens, who have committed no crime. Who's next? What American group is next?

Practicing an ideology who's followers seem to show intolerance and violence towards others, might be a constitutional right, but not necessarily considered a recognized faith. You can also be a communist or a white supremacist, that is your constitutional right, but that doesn't mean they have to be recognized as faiths, when they are found to be incompatible with Western ideals and democracy, as Islam has clearly shown itself to be.

Muslims in the US are no less intolerant or violent than our other faiths. Do we strip the constitutional rights from every faith that has violent extremists among them or is there some magic number where upon we decide they no longer qualify? We're talking just the US here.

Communists and white supremacists are not recognized as religions and never have been....

Yes, in order to protect the constitution, our democracy, and the ideals which this nation has been built upon, it is necessary to deny Islam an ideology which promotes intolerance and violence towards women, gays, and other religions, the status of an official religion. This obviously won't happen anytime soon, however, it surely will when a major catastrophic terrorist event occurs in North America or Europe. At that point all the apologist arguments will be null and void.

It would create a major constitutional crisis and, like the incarceration of the Japanese - a mark of shame in the future.

 

[BullKurtz]

Muslims in the US are no less intolerant or violent than our other faiths. Do we strip the constitutional rights from every faith that has violent extremists among them or is there some magic number where upon we decide they no longer qualify? We're talking just the US here.

Communists and white supremacists are not recognized as religions and never have been....

How are you defining "tolerant"? It's common knowledge there are radical mosques preaching hate in the US. It's common knowledge that Islamists have declared war on the US. It's common knowledge acts of jihad are happening with increasing regularity against US citizens. If you read your Koran, you'll see muslims do not recognize governments or countries as being equal to allah and are therefore stateless. Why are we allowing millions of them to live amongst us when we know who's side they'll jump to if the jihadists 5th column starts massive attacks inside the US? I think this subject has worn our patience thin.....either they openly declare their allegiance with a loyalty oath to the United States or we close their mosques and deport them.

 

[Roudy]

More would suffer if nothing is done, and we continue down this path of tolerating the intolerants and taking it in the chin without proper course of action. We have an enemy thiat is ideological and has declared war on us whether we like it or not. Just like Communism was declared an enemy and we refused entry to those who subscribe to it, we can do the same here.

We are not too far away from a major Islamic terror attack killing hundreds of thousands if not millions. At that point martial law will be announced and the freedoms and civil liberties that this country was built upon will be forgotten.

We can at least deny Islam status as an official religion. Making it non tax deductible, and taking away the protections other religions are granted. The Italians have recognized Islam as an intolerant oppressive faith and incompatible with their democracy and way of life. Islam is also not recognized as a religion in Japan, and banned in China and Angola. And most European countries have banned certain Islamic aspects, such as Islamic headscarves, veils and burqas, and other tenements of Shariah law.

It's time to stop being politically correct and call it what it is.

I totally disagree. Islam is a religion - just like a boatload of others we recognize in this country. Americans who are Muslim are no different than Americans who are Jewish, Catholic, Pentacostolist or Bhuddhist. As a nation one of our core values is freedom of and tolerance of differing religions. That is NOT being politically correct.

So you remove Constitutional protections from Muslims - who are American citizens, who have committed no crime. Who's next? What American group is next?

Practicing an ideology who's followers seem to show intolerance and violence towards others, might be a constitutional right, but not necessarily considered a recognized faith. You can also be a communist or a white supremacist, that is your constitutional right, but that doesn't mean they have to be recognized as faiths, when they are found to be incompatible with Western ideals and democracy, as Islam has clearly shown itself to be.

Muslims in the US are no less intolerant or violent than our other faiths. Do we strip the constitutional rights from every faith that has violent extremists among them or is there some magic number where upon we decide they no longer qualify? We're talking just the US here.

Communists and white supremacists are not recognized as religions and never have been....

Yes, in order to protect the constitution, our democracy, and the ideals which this nation has been built upon, it is necessary to deny Islam an ideology which promotes intolerance and violence towards women, gays, and other religions, the status of an official religion. This obviously won't happen anytime soon, however, it surely will when a major catastrophic terrorist event occurs in North America or Europe. At that point all the apologist arguments will be null and void.

It would create a major constitutional crisis and, like the incarceration of the Japanese - a mark of shame in the future.

I didn't see it creating any crisis in Italy. They declared it an intolerant faith, and oppressive and barbaric towards women, and they took away it's official status.

When they decide to join the rest of humanity as equals, they will be respected as such. Right now Islam and it's followers think they have a God given right to be violent and intolerant towards others. This has to stop.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

.

Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

and I could list dozens of others.

 

[Roudy]

Muslims in the US are no less intolerant or violent than our other faiths. Do we strip the constitutional rights from every faith that has violent extremists among them or is there some magic number where upon we decide they no longer qualify? We're talking just the US here.

Communists and white supremacists are not recognized as religions and never have been....

How are you defining "tolerant"? It's common knowledge there are radical mosques preaching hate in the US. It's common knowledge that Islamists have declared war on the US. It's common knowledge acts of jihad are happening with increasing regularity against US citizens. If you read your Koran, you'll see muslims do not recognize governments or countries as being equal to allah and are therefore stateless. Why are we allowing millions of them to live amongst us when we know who's side they'll jump to if the jihadists 5th column starts massive attacks inside the US? I think this subject has worn our patience thin.....either they openly declare their allegiance with a loyalty oath to the United States or we close their mosques and deport them.

The only time we will see change unfortunately is when some Muslim asshole waving the banner of Islam explodes a dirty bomb or some other WMD in a major Western city. Right now they are exploiting the rights and freedoms of the West, and using them as an advantage to promote their intolerant and violent ideology.

 

[BullKurtz]

It would create a major constitutional crisis and, like the incarceration of the Japanese - a mark of shame in the future.

My uncle fought the japs in the Pacific all the way to Saipan where he was grievously wounded. If he'd seen a japanese American at home when he returned, he'd have shot them dead. Only those who fought them knew what they were capable of. Had FDR not rounded them up, there would have been extensive sabotage and signal intelligence to jap submarines operating off our Pacific coast. Revisionist history never speaks to the situation at the time of these events. And I don't need to hear we were "racist" because we didn't incarcerate German citizens...no German here or in Germany believed Hitler to be a diety.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

 

[Roudy]

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

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Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

and I could list dozens of others.

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah"

Criticizing peaceful Muslims:

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"