Surprise! It's a Muslim!

[irosie91]

Islam defined itself yesterday when the murderer of a five month old baby girl was called a MUSLIM HERO----by muslim leaders for running his car into the baby's stroller.----
the very same day-----the murderer is already in JANNAH---
with his 72 whories

Name the Muslim leaders. Name enough of them so that one can objectively conclude that calling this man a hero was a consensus among all Muslim leaders in the world.

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

No. He didn't. Supposedly it was an aid: Abbas Aid Jerusalem Terrorist a Heroic Martyr - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

I have no idea if this is actually verified as true or not.

So this is your Muslim leader?

yes------did abu mazen repudiate it?

No idea. Like I said I don't even know if this is true or not.

abu mazen is NOT
a muslim leader?

Doesn't matter. He didn't say it or endorse it.

Regev is an aid to Netanyahu-----if he opens his mouth and says something Netanyahu rejects-----
Netanyahu would have to repudiate it or it is properly
attributed to him. Abu mazen has a rep as a MODERATE---loving ---muslim guy

It does not matter. He did not say or endorse it. At this point - no "Muslim leaders" have said anything.

']]

you are fully aware of the fact that your response is BS

 

[NYcarbineer]

So after you outlaw Islam, how do you punish the people who continue to practice it?

 

[Coyote]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

Well millions of Muslims around the world sure appear to have written one.

Again - where is it a "fundamental tenant" of Islam?

It's not even "followed" by a majority, or close.

what does "FOLLOWED" mean? I have known lots of muslims-------who never killed anyone------but just about all
found the idea of SHARIAH to be------UTOPIA -----(---lol---
you don't understand-----what a GOOD SOCIETY THE TALIBAN ARE CREATING<<< I got that one from a young
Pakistani doc------who had no idea that my own hubby was born in a shariah cesspit------or even that I am a jew) In accordance with SHARIAH LAW------all non monotheists are to be killed-------and all non muslim monotheists must be
SUBJUGATED ---virtually enslaved ---to the filth of Islamic rule and oppression------<<<< A BASIC TENET OF ISLAM-----absolutely------now find the muslim clerics who reject that one or even the average muslims who will KNOCK IT

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. Public opinion polls have frequently shown a majority of Muslims around the world oppose violent extremism. It's certainly not a "tenant" of the faith even it it's practiced by some cultures.

 

[Coyote]

Name the Muslim leaders. Name enough of them so that one can objectively conclude that calling this man a hero was a consensus among all Muslim leaders in the world.

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

No. He didn't. Supposedly it was an aid: Abbas Aid Jerusalem Terrorist a Heroic Martyr - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

I have no idea if this is actually verified as true or not.

So this is your Muslim leader?

yes------did abu mazen repudiate it?

No idea. Like I said I don't even know if this is true or not.

abu mazen is NOT
a muslim leader?

Doesn't matter. He didn't say it or endorse it.

Regev is an aid to Netanyahu-----if he opens his mouth and says something Netanyahu rejects-----
Netanyahu would have to repudiate it or it is properly
attributed to him. Abu mazen has a rep as a MODERATE---loving ---muslim guy

It does not matter. He did not say or endorse it. At this point - no "Muslim leaders" have said anything.

']]

you are fully aware of the fact that your response is BS

No, it's factual

You made a claim that is false.

 

[Coyote]

So after you outlaw Islam, how do you punish the people who continue to practice it?

Interesting question.

I'm curious what the answer will be.

 

[Kondor3]

...Really? And you don't think you're delusional to seriously entertain the idea that the American people are going to effectively overturn most of the Constitution as it relates to civil rights to accomplish all of that?

Hmmmmm....

1. President Lincoln's suspension of the Writ of Habeus Corpus

2. President Franklin Roosevelt's internment of West Coast Japanese-Americans

Your Honor, the Defense rests.

 

[irosie91]

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

Well millions of Muslims around the world sure appear to have written one.

Again - where is it a "fundamental tenant" of Islam?

It's not even "followed" by a majority, or close.

what does "FOLLOWED" mean? I have known lots of muslims-------who never killed anyone------but just about all
found the idea of SHARIAH to be------UTOPIA -----(---lol---
you don't understand-----what a GOOD SOCIETY THE TALIBAN ARE CREATING<<< I got that one from a young
Pakistani doc------who had no idea that my own hubby was born in a shariah cesspit------or even that I am a jew) In accordance with SHARIAH LAW------all non monotheists are to be killed-------and all non muslim monotheists must be
SUBJUGATED ---virtually enslaved ---to the filth of Islamic rule and oppression------<<<< A BASIC TENET OF ISLAM-----absolutely------now find the muslim clerics who reject that one or even the average muslims who will KNOCK IT

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. Public opinion polls have frequently shown a majority of Muslims around the world oppose violent extremism. It's certainly not a "tenant" of the faith even it it's practiced by some cultures.

Coyote---it is very clear to me that you do not know any muslims-------and certainly do not know any people from
any shariah cesspits and have probably never been in a mosque------you seem not to really know anything about
Judaism. One of the amusing things that muslims say is
SHARIAH IS LIKE HALAKAH -------long ago I was watching a lecture (televised) with a bunch of people----jews---generally family and friends ------a muslim speaker-----was
EXPLAINING ISLAM-----and said "shariah is like halakah"---the people who LAUGHED the hardest were those who had survived a shariah cesspit You do parrot
Islamic propaganda well

 

[Coyote]

There is no fundamental tenant of "mass murder".

Well millions of Muslims around the world sure appear to have written one.

Again - where is it a "fundamental tenant" of Islam?

It's not even "followed" by a majority, or close.

what does "FOLLOWED" mean? I have known lots of muslims-------who never killed anyone------but just about all
found the idea of SHARIAH to be------UTOPIA -----(---lol---
you don't understand-----what a GOOD SOCIETY THE TALIBAN ARE CREATING<<< I got that one from a young
Pakistani doc------who had no idea that my own hubby was born in a shariah cesspit------or even that I am a jew) In accordance with SHARIAH LAW------all non monotheists are to be killed-------and all non muslim monotheists must be
SUBJUGATED ---virtually enslaved ---to the filth of Islamic rule and oppression------<<<< A BASIC TENET OF ISLAM-----absolutely------now find the muslim clerics who reject that one or even the average muslims who will KNOCK IT

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. Public opinion polls have frequently shown a majority of Muslims around the world oppose violent extremism. It's certainly not a "tenant" of the faith even it it's practiced by some cultures.

Coyote---it is very clear to me that you do not know any muslims-------and certainly do not know any people from
any shariah cesspits and have probably never been in a mosque------you seem not to really know anything about
Judaism. One of the amusing things that muslims say is
SHARIAH IS LIKE HALAKAH -------long ago I was watching a lecture (televised) with a bunch of people----jews---generally family and friends ------a muslim speaker-----was
EXPLAINING ISLAM-----and said "shariah is like halakah"---the people who LAUGHED the hardest were those who had survived a shariah cesspit You do parrot
Islamic propaganda well

How Sharia is interpreted and applied varies around the world and depends on the individual country/culture. In western countries or modern socieites, it's little different than Halakah.

 

[irosie91]

your demand is not entirely worthless-----but almost. I am not actually sure---but I think ABU MAZEN called him a
HERO of the MUSLIM PEOPLE------at least it was a person
of similar note--------I have yet to hear of any objection-----wait and see. That bitch that bombed a bus and killed dozens is still a ROLE MODEL for muslim girls world wide

No. He didn't. Supposedly it was an aid: Abbas Aid Jerusalem Terrorist a Heroic Martyr - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

I have no idea if this is actually verified as true or not.

So this is your Muslim leader?

yes------did abu mazen repudiate it?

No idea. Like I said I don't even know if this is true or not.

abu mazen is NOT
a muslim leader?

Doesn't matter. He didn't say it or endorse it.

Regev is an aid to Netanyahu-----if he opens his mouth and says something Netanyahu rejects-----
Netanyahu would have to repudiate it or it is properly
attributed to him. Abu mazen has a rep as a MODERATE---loving ---muslim guy

It does not matter. He did not say or endorse it. At this point - no "Muslim leaders" have said anything.

']]

you are fully aware of the fact that your response is BS

No, it's factual

You made a claim that is false.

Coyote---you become more and more obscene by the minute-----anyone interested in the obscenity coyote supports----
google about-----pictures of the SLUTTY SISTER of the murdering pig of Jerusalem ----dancing about and waving
a portrait of her HOLY SHAHID brother are already on the net. ----remember the sluts of Toulouse France? same filth. As for that all important CULTURAL ISSUE----remember ----teenaged muslim girls don't do anything their FAMILIES and SOCIETY support------they could end up dead

 

[Coyote]

Not sure what you are talking about Rosie...but then...that is not uncommon

Muslims vary according the cultures they live in.

 

[irosie91]

Well millions of Muslims around the world sure appear to have written one.

Again - where is it a "fundamental tenant" of Islam?

It's not even "followed" by a majority, or close.

what does "FOLLOWED" mean? I have known lots of muslims-------who never killed anyone------but just about all
found the idea of SHARIAH to be------UTOPIA -----(---lol---
you don't understand-----what a GOOD SOCIETY THE TALIBAN ARE CREATING<<< I got that one from a young
Pakistani doc------who had no idea that my own hubby was born in a shariah cesspit------or even that I am a jew) In accordance with SHARIAH LAW------all non monotheists are to be killed-------and all non muslim monotheists must be
SUBJUGATED ---virtually enslaved ---to the filth of Islamic rule and oppression------<<<< A BASIC TENET OF ISLAM-----absolutely------now find the muslim clerics who reject that one or even the average muslims who will KNOCK IT

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. Public opinion polls have frequently shown a majority of Muslims around the world oppose violent extremism. It's certainly not a "tenant" of the faith even it it's practiced by some cultures.

Coyote---it is very clear to me that you do not know any muslims-------and certainly do not know any people from
any shariah cesspits and have probably never been in a mosque------you seem not to really know anything about
Judaism. One of the amusing things that muslims say is
SHARIAH IS LIKE HALAKAH -------long ago I was watching a lecture (televised) with a bunch of people----jews---generally family and friends ------a muslim speaker-----was
EXPLAINING ISLAM-----and said "shariah is like halakah"---the people who LAUGHED the hardest were those who had survived a shariah cesspit You do parrot
Islamic propaganda well

How Sharia is interpreted and applied varies around the world and depends on the individual country/culture. In western countries or modern socieites, it's little different than Halakah.

Coyote----your comment makes no sense at all-----you are proving yourself stupid. Shariah is not practiced in western and non barbaric societies. I am referring to the
system known as SHARIAH------it includes a SYSTEM OF LAW---an ORDER OF SOCIETY-----and a RELIGION and also MANDATORY SUBJUGATION OF NON MUSLIMS----it is not ---- "I go to a mosque on Friday because I am a muslim just like protestants go to church and sing a Hymn" you are quoting Islamic propaganda

 

[Picaro]

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. .

Which passages?

 

[irosie91]

Not sure what you are talking about Rosie...but then...that is not uncommon

Muslims vary according the cultures they live in.

ROFLMAO-------another idiot observation----YUP-----Pakistanis eat indian spices----their food is very similar to that of hindus---
except the meat part. They even eat CHAPPATIS Coyote ----you do not know----because---YOU DO NOT KNOW----but I DO

 

[irosie91]

The Muslims I know view Sharia as similar to what I think Jews view Halakah. A set of social rules and obligations they follow. I know of no one who feels Islam means forced subjugation of non-believers. The Quran contains quite a few admonishments against that. .

Which passages?

give her a moment----she will invent SOMETHING

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer. ...

LOL! Not even CLOSE! No more true than if socialism was outlawed. The simple fact is that there is NO POTENTIAL for a RIGHT, which does not correlate to a sustaining responsibility. And in the case of Islam, the FUNDAMENTAL TENET of the religion is MASS-MURDER AS A MEANS TO COERCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT ISLAMIC RULE!

Nope... nuh uh. No WAY that 'species of reasoning' is something for which one is RIGHTFULLY ENTITLED TO SPEAK! Period. The same species of reasoning is the basis on which socialism is founded.

Wow. YOU should be outlawed.

LOL!

Well, one of us IS inevitably going to be outlawed. On that we can each rest assured.

The difference between you and I is that I've never defended any species of reasoning which was responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people.

 

[Picaro]

give her a moment----she will invent SOMETHING

Maybe, but I was asking a serious question; it would be fun to look them up for context along with those that abrogate them, if they exist.

 

[irosie91]

give her a moment----she will invent SOMETHING

Maybe, but I was asking a serious question; it would be fun to look them up for context along with those that abrogate them, if they exist.

you are talented------I have a hard time taking anyone "seriously" who denies the fact that Islamic law requires the
SUBJUGATION of non muslims. -----poor ataturk is posthumously castigated for ameliorating some of the most
oppressive and disgusting rules to which non muslims were
subjected in the OTTOMAN EMPIRE----in fact the OTTOMAN EMPIRE---being large-----faced rejection of those "reforms" VEHEMENT VIOLENT rejection

want a laugh----recently some islamicists have decided to
insist that ATATURK was really a jew (big insult in the world of the "ummah")

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So after you outlaw Islam, how do you punish the people who continue to practice it?

How does a just law punish those who violate it?

Charges of the violation are bought against those known to have violated the law... they're tried against the charges, and where found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, the punishment defined within the law is adjudicated.

If you're asking me if such people 'should' be punished, the answer is a decided YES. If you're asking what the punishment should be, I have given the matter no thought and would say that such would readily set against any other capital crime, such as treason, subversion, and other such conspiracies and plots which threaten the well being, security and lives of the individuals who comprise the culture at large.

 

[Roudy]

...Islam should be outlawed if the West is to survive. Islamism should be banned if Muslim countries are to survive.

That, I suppose, would be the Last Line of Defense Trump Card for The West - or the US - to play, but - legally, socially, culturally, philosophically, it would be damned tricky.

That would require a high-level judicial review on the concept that Islam is an alien and hostile Political, Cultural and Legal System, cloaked in the guise of a Religion, and entirely incompatible with and dangerous to The Nation and its People.

Such a thing will not happen in a civilized country like the US, or the UK, or Canada, or the like, except as a last line of defense against an overwhelming security concern.

We're not there yet - not even close - but the idea is circulating - rightfully viewed as radical in its own right, and undesirable, except as a last resort.

But - if it comes down to a 'last resort' - under circumstances where Constitutionality and Safety are at odds, Safety almost always wins - not a pleasant prospect.

If Islam were outlawed, we would lose the very heart of what our country is built upon. We would be giving in to fear mongers. Innocent people would suffer.

There is a lot of truth in Martin Niemöller's poem.

More would suffer if nothing is done, and we continue down this path of tolerating the intolerants and taking it in the chin without proper course of action. We have an enemy thiat is ideological and has declared war on us whether we like it or not. Just like Communism was declared an enemy and we refused entry to those who subscribe to it, we can do the same here.

We are not too far away from a major Islamic terror attack killing hundreds of thousands if not millions. At that point martial law will be announced and the freedoms and civil liberties that this country was built upon will be forgotten.

We can at least deny Islam status as an official religion. Making it non tax deductible, and taking away the protections other religions are granted. The Italians have recognized Islam as an intolerant oppressive faith and incompatible with their democracy and way of life. Islam is also not recognized as a religion in Japan, and banned in China and Angola. And most European countries have banned certain Islamic aspects, such as Islamic headscarves, veils and burqas, and other tenements of Shariah law.

It's time to stop being politically correct and call it what it is.

 

[BullKurtz]

When are all these "moderate" muslims going to step forward and KILL the jihadists? They continue to claim they practice a "religion of peace" yet if you look closely at the Koran, there's not much peace in it when it comes to apostates and us infidels. Let's get real here.....these supposed "moderates" are side-liners waiting to see who wins. I believe we've shown enough tolerance to those who do nothing to rid us of terrorism. I'd close every mosque in the US until ISIL and al-Qaida and the others declare their intention to lay down arms and go home.