stock market: good or bad?

[william the wie]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

Actually the best investment record vs. the Dow happened 1926-56, Graham-Newman beat the DJIA 4 to 1 over that time frame. Templeton did nearly as well. A balanced portfolio was also profitable. 1929-33 saw one of the ten greatest bond rallies ever.

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

 

[haissem123]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

Actually the best investment record vs. the Dow happened 1926-56, Graham-Newman beat the DJIA 4 to 1 over that time frame. Templeton did nearly as well. A balanced portfolio was also profitable. 1929-33 saw one of the ten greatest bond rallies ever.

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

are you sure about that? 08 was pretty bad globally and really isn't over yet. bandaids are holding our economic world together for a few more minutes it seems

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

What do you mean?

 

[william the wie]

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

Actually the best investment record vs. the Dow happened 1926-56, Graham-Newman beat the DJIA 4 to 1 over that time frame. Templeton did nearly as well. A balanced portfolio was also profitable. 1929-33 saw one of the ten greatest bond rallies ever.

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

are you sure about that? 08 was pretty bad globally and really isn't over yet. bandaids are holding our economic world together for a few more minutes it seems

Yeah, if you want proof just google but if you really want to understand the whys of how big it was I found the great courses "Chaos" DVD(s) very useful.

Basically the inventors of portfolio insurance and dynamic hedging ignored uncertainty of conditions and worked at cross purposes in 87 to create a more than 20 SD move. In 1998, The Nobel prize winners at Long Term Capital Management almost brought on 2008 early. As a non-institutional investor you can use portfolio insurance. Even though the cash flow isn't much it is positive.

 

[william the wie]

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

What do you mean?

If memory serves 87 was just shy of a 30 SD move downward in something like less than 120 hours. 1929-31 had multiple rallies over nearly two years where course corrections were possible. 08 has seen multiple rallies to new record territories and the October 08- March 09 decline was so mild that portfolio insurance could reduce losses 75-90%.

Does that show the difference?

 

[william the wie]

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

Actually the best investment record vs. the Dow happened 1926-56, Graham-Newman beat the DJIA 4 to 1 over that time frame. Templeton did nearly as well. A balanced portfolio was also profitable. 1929-33 saw one of the ten greatest bond rallies ever.

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

are you sure about that? 08 was pretty bad globally and really isn't over yet. bandaids are holding our economic world together for a few more minutes it seems

I would call 08 an aftershock of 87, 1998 and 2000. My investing rules of thumb are:

Don't try to outsmart anybody, they'll do it to themselves.

If you can't explain your strategy to the village idiot it's too complicated.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

What do you mean?

If memory serves 87 was just shy of a 30 SD move downward in something like less than 120 hours. 1929-31 had multiple rallies over nearly two years where course corrections were possible. 08 has seen multiple rallies to new record territories and the October 08- March 09 decline was so mild that portfolio insurance could reduce losses 75-90%.

Does that show the difference?

Gotcha.
I was thinking more in terms of time it took to hit new highs.

 

[Flopper]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

The stock market like all markets are based on the desire to accumulate wealth. Now that may be bad in your opinion but it's a fact of life. A market for shares of an enterprise is necessary for free enterprise to grow. Without it, investors would be reluctant to invest and without those investments the economic growth we have seen in this country and the world would have been impossible.

I disagree with your statement that the stock market is corrupt. Full disclosure is required by law for publicly traded stocks. Everything you need to know about a company to make a decision is there. You won't find that at your local used car lot or when buy a house or sign a lease or buy into a local business. Sure there are unscrupulous people in the securities industry but there are unscrupulous people in every business endeavor. Every year there're millions of complaints by people being swindled and treated unfairly by businesses and yet few of those complaints are leveled at the securities industry. However, when a broker or investment manger steals from his clients, it's in every newspaper in the country. And everyone who lost his shirt in the market trying to make a quick buck declares it's all a big swindle.

 

[william the wie]

Also neither 29 nor 08 was a patch on 87.

What do you mean?

If memory serves 87 was just shy of a 30 SD move downward in something like less than 120 hours. 1929-31 had multiple rallies over nearly two years where course corrections were possible. 08 has seen multiple rallies to new record territories and the October 08- March 09 decline was so mild that portfolio insurance could reduce losses 75-90%.

Does that show the difference?

Gotcha.
I was thinking more in terms of time it took to hit new highs.

yeah that is the partyline based on the efficient market hypothesis which is in its sixth or seventh iteration. EMF goes back to at least the Mississippi Scheme of the early 1700s and is based on the idea that investors and speculators are irrational in their assessment of risk/reward based on different market conditions.

 

[william the wie]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

The stock market like all markets are based on the desire to accumulate wealth. Now that may be bad in your opinion but it's a fact of life. A market for shares of an enterprise is necessary for free enterprise to grow. Without it, investors would be reluctant to invest and without those investments the economic growth we have seen in this country and the world would have been impossible.

I disagree with your statement that the stock market is corrupt. Full disclosure is required by law for publicly traded stocks. Everything you need to know about a company to make a decision is there. You won't find that at your local used car lot or when buy a house or sign a lease or buy into a local business. Sure there are unscrupulous people in the securities industry but there are unscrupulous people in every business endeavor. Every year there're millions of complaints by people being swindled and treated unfairly by businesses and yet few of those complaints are leveled at the securities industry. However, when a broker or investment manger steals from his clients, it's in every newspaper in the country. And everyone who lost his shirt in the market trying to make a quick buck declares it's all a big swindle.

As Mark Twain, I think it was, noted, "Dog bites man is not news. Man bites dog is news." And you are right a good investment strategy is designed to make watching grass growing seem exciting.

 

[Flopper]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

It happened in 1929 and again in 2009.

What happened in 1929 and 2009 that would harm someone that invested in their 401K over the course of their lifetime?

The average 401K investor who stuck to his guns and refused to sell out and continued investing has more than recovered his loses. The right 401K is a great deal, a government tax break plus contributions from the employer. However, some 401Ks are pretty crappy. People should consider the employer's 401K along with other compensation before accepting a job. I had one once that took 10 years to become vested, had high fees, and poor management. Yet, I still got a decent return.

 

[Flopper]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

The stock market like all markets are based on the desire to accumulate wealth. Now that may be bad in your opinion but it's a fact of life. A market for shares of an enterprise is necessary for free enterprise to grow. Without it, investors would be reluctant to invest and without those investments the economic growth we have seen in this country and the world would have been impossible.

I disagree with your statement that the stock market is corrupt. Full disclosure is required by law for publicly traded stocks. Everything you need to know about a company to make a decision is there. You won't find that at your local used car lot or when buy a house or sign a lease or buy into a local business. Sure there are unscrupulous people in the securities industry but there are unscrupulous people in every business endeavor. Every year there're millions of complaints by people being swindled and treated unfairly by businesses and yet few of those complaints are leveled at the securities industry. However, when a broker or investment manger steals from his clients, it's in every newspaper in the country. And everyone who lost his shirt in the market trying to make a quick buck declares it's all a big swindle.

As Mark Twain, I think it was, noted, "Dog bites man is not news. Man bites dog is news." And you are right a good investment strategy is designed to make watching grass growing seem exciting.

I cringe every time I hear the phrase "playing the market": What nonsense, successful investing is not a game. It takes work, patience and the ability to make decisions based on logic, not fear and greed. Most people can't do that and should be in index funds or just stay out of the market..

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The average 401K investor who stuck to his guns and refused to sell out and continued investing has more than recovered his loses. The right 401K is a great deal, a government tax break plus contributions from the employer. However, some 401Ks are pretty crappy. People should consider the employer's 401K along with other compensation before accepting a job. I had one once that took 10 years to become vested, had high fees, and poor management. Yet, I still got a decent return.

I had one once that took 10 years to become vested, had high fees, and poor management.

You bet, crappy plans with low levels of assets can really get stuck with high fees.
Consistent contributions, at least 10% a year, can go a long way to making sure you don't have
to depend on the promises of politicians for your retirement. Whiners, like several on this thread,
will always have someone else to blame for their retirement shortfalls.

 

[rickm19]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

It happened in 1929 and again in 2009.

What happened in 1929 and 2009 that would harm someone that invested in their 401K over the course of their lifetime?

Umm the market crashed...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

It happened in 1929 and again in 2009.

What happened in 1929 and 2009 that would harm someone that invested in their 401K over the course of their lifetime?

Umm the market crashed...

When? By how much?

 

[rickm19]

it was supposed to be good but mankind's greed took over as usual. Now it's just a corrupt house of cards continually collapsing upon us all. Time to do away with it. 911 was God turning over the corrupt tables in his house. You are investing in buying and selling other peoples lives to the lowest bidder. no good can come from that. ou have done unto others and now it's being done unto us all and it doesn't seem right all of a sudden. lol. kill all the goldmen sacking your retirement funds you are now forced to invest in their corrupt markets. it's texas holdem on the short stack and worse. the market can and is nothing but manipulation and lies for a few to own the many.

The stock market was created for the 1%, not the 99%. Over the years we made the market a safer place for the public by eliminating a lot of unfair practices but the risks of investing are still there and the 1% will always have advantages over the 99%.

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

The stock market like all markets are based on the desire to accumulate wealth. Now that may be bad in your opinion but it's a fact of life. A market for shares of an enterprise is necessary for free enterprise to grow. Without it, investors would be reluctant to invest and without those investments the economic growth we have seen in this country and the world would have been impossible.

I disagree with your statement that the stock market is corrupt. Full disclosure is required by law for publicly traded stocks. Everything you need to know about a company to make a decision is there. You won't find that at your local used car lot or when buy a house or sign a lease or buy into a local business. Sure there are unscrupulous people in the securities industry but there are unscrupulous people in every business endeavor. Every year there're millions of complaints by people being swindled and treated unfairly by businesses and yet few of those complaints are leveled at the securities industry. However, when a broker or investment manger steals from his clients, it's in every newspaper in the country. And everyone who lost his shirt in the market trying to make a quick buck declares it's all a big swindle.

As Mark Twain, I think it was, noted, "Dog bites man is not news. Man bites dog is news." And you are right a good investment strategy is designed to make watching grass growing seem exciting.

I cringe every time I hear the phrase "playing the market": What nonsense, successful investing is not a game. It takes work, patience and the ability to make decisions based on logic, not fear and greed. Most people can't do that and should be in index funds or just stay out of the market..

So do I and I feel like too many people do that in order to try to make a buck and most people refuse to the actual benefits that company contributes to the world. They see MONEY and that is all. I would love to have the money to invest in proper companies who contribute well to their employees but then again I don't think anyone should rely on INVESTING to make money. See the sad fact of the matter is no one can truly get ahead in life unless they own their own business or figure out a way to inadvertently or advertently scam others into giving them money. Money is the main source of all evil and until we figure out a way to work without it we are going to go up in flames in the not too distant future. Maybe not in your lifetime or mine and that is what people don't think about. Although I still have about 50 years to go and do not like he way things are looking for mankind. They only care what is done in their short time on this earth. You don't realize how many people are depressed and go off the deep end because they can barley survive in this financial world. Then again most people don't care or think about that cause they have all the money they'll ever need.

 

[rickm19]

That is my point. It was created by the wealthy manipulators so they had an easier to invest the money, that they already had, to make more. Now I have never paid attention to it because I don't agree with how and why it was created. But since almost every hard working American is invested in it in one way or another I have become interested in it because I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks. Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution, which I don't think is the key to anything. Now correct me if I am wrong but this is the stock market in a nutshell.... A guy with no money, due to being controlled by the finical aspect of the world, has a great idea for a business that can help others and change lives. So without the money he turns to the men with the money and signs a contract so that man can "help" him. So basically that contract forms a publicly traded business so others can "benefit" from that companies growth. Now obviously there are different ways to fund a startup campaign so the business would not be publicly traded but if that man making the contract wants it there it will be. So with one simple little transaction the man with the money simply makes more money by doing nothing as long as that company flourishes. So there is the risk. But what most people don't see is how that contract cuts into a businesses profits and takes away from the hard working people who are sitting there making that money for them. While the big man on top uses that money that he really didn't need to begin with to vest in other things and simply using his mind to control the profits he makes. Now if you are in that one percent I applaud you. But I really think it is time to stop looking at how much money can be made and start looking at how we can make this world more sustainable and stop dumping money into houses that have so much room it could house and sustain 20 families. Think about the energy consumption it takes and chain effect that is has on humanity. Most of the one percenters believe in population control from what I understand. We don't need that, we just need better investing and more economical sustainability. Only God has the right to deem who lives and who dies. And if you think Satain is the true God well im sure you will not appreciate his slavery when your time on this earth is done and over with. See God didn't forbid eve to eat from the tree of knowledge to hold her back. He simply did it to test her because he knows that without him, knowledge can the be fruit of all evil.

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

It happened in 1929 and again in 2009.

What happened in 1929 and 2009 that would harm someone that invested in their 401K over the course of their lifetime?

Umm the market crashed...

When? By how much?

Click expand lol. look like as a whole it lost about 55% of its value.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I do care about the people and unless you actually pay attention to it over the course of a lifetime a 401K is not very beneficial to ones just contributing out of their pay checks.

Bullshit.

Now most of us are starting to see how corrupt it is and many people want a revolution,

Just the idiots.

In the future, break your stupid rants into paragraphs. You look less crazy that way.

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

It happened in 1929 and again in 2009.

What happened in 1929 and 2009 that would harm someone that invested in their 401K over the course of their lifetime?

Umm the market crashed...

When? By how much?

Click expand lol. look like as a whole it lost about 55% of its value.

What lost 55%? When?

 

[rickm19]

Don't call Bullshit without backup. It happened in 1929 and again in 2009. That is a 80 year cycle where anyone deeply vested at a high age lost out.

Ahh see you call them idiots. Me I see them as the good hard working Americans who are tired of making crap while they make the rich richer and getting 30% of their checks taken by the government. The idiots are the one too naïve to see what really goes on behind closed doors.

It happened in 1929 and again in 2009.

What happened in 1929 and 2009 that would harm someone that invested in their 401K over the course of their lifetime?

Umm the market crashed...

When? By how much?

Click expand lol. look like as a whole it lost about 55% of its value.

What lost 55%? When?

Damn dude it is a thread. Quit being a pain lol. Would you like me to copy and paste like you do so you cut out words and only reply to what you want? Learn to EXPAND

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It happened in 1929 and again in 2009.

What happened in 1929 and 2009 that would harm someone that invested in their 401K over the course of their lifetime?

Umm the market crashed...

When? By how much?

Click expand lol. look like as a whole it lost about 55% of its value.

What lost 55%? When?

Damn dude it is a thread. Quit being a pain lol. Would you like me to copy and paste like you do so you cut out words and only reply to what you want? Learn to EXPAND

Keep being non-specific. That way I can't respond to your claims. Idiot.