Still can't believe Trump won?

[sealybobo]

The founders decided on a death tax because the money was needed and you got to get it from somewhere. Do you get it from the rich or tax the masses. They already fuck us with income taxes.

Anyways, long story short is our founders decided that if someone got too rich, their wealth would be cut in half after they die. The person who earned it isn’t being hurt.

So ivanka Tiffany Eric don jr and baron split $5 billion not $10 billion.

Paris Hilton tax

 

[sealybobo]

I’m just as ashamed as I was when gw bush was potus

What a shocker, commies don't like republicans

They don’t like you either? Seems like no one does then.

Democrats, commies, socialists, Green Party, Australians, Arabs, jews

I’m just as ashamed as I was when gw bush was potus

What a shocker, commies don't like republicans

They don’t like you either? Seems like no one does then.

Democrats, commies, socialists, Green Party, Australians, Arabs, jews

He actually get suprising democrat support.
commies, socialists, greens are all the same and I don't give a fuck about them
austrailians...huh???
arabs ????

jews
Poll: Jewish Israelis Love Trump

I mean everyone told Trump not to move it, he did and guess what, things are fine......all the crap they predicted did not happen.

Yes the same jews that loved bush love trump. Netenyahoos.

Yes I see trumps appeal to a stupid reality tv type society. Even I can say there are a couple things he’s done that I like, sorta, maybe, we shall see. The jury is out. I’m leaning no

Incorrect, the neo cons HATE Trump, because he doesn't believe in globalism, the US getting screwed in trade deals and starting wars.

They don’t hate him that much. Who McCain?

 

[sealybobo]

Poor republicans vote against our best interest in favor of their masters because of wedge issues like god, gays, guns and racism.

how are they voting against their interest? govt programs = interest?

The only reason we had a good middle class the world had never seen before was because of things like unions, social security, Medicare, all liberal programs. Many more too.

Free markets don’t create a middle class

 

[buckeye45_73]

That about says it all.

I’m just as ashamed as I was when gw bush was potus

Not even close, this fat Orange idiot makes me pine for the days of Dubbya!

I know but looking back I remember disliking his and Chaney’s decisions just as much.

I mean when Tom delay and Dennis hastert ran both house and senate.

Neither of them were in the senate

Was it dick durbin?

Man I would have bet you money and lost

yeah Hastert was the speaker after Gingrich and Livingston left. Delay was the Majority leader in the House. For the Senate it was Tom Daschele-D and then Bill Frist-R

 

[buckeye45_73]

Poor republicans vote against our best interest in favor of their masters because of wedge issues like god, gays, guns and racism.

how are they voting against their interest? govt programs = interest?

The only reason we had a good middle class the world had never seen before was because of things like unions, social security, Medicare, all liberal programs. Many more too.

Free markets don’t create a middle class

That's not true. we had a middle class way before that. What you are describing is socialism, really really poor or ultra rich. the thing we've always had was a real middle class, even in Europe in the pre colonial period had a merchant class which was the middle class.

how do I know? Because the middle class are merchants and professionals. We had that before unions. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, shop keepers have existed since we started.

If we didn't have social security that would effect people over 65, but tons of people are middle class under 65, so they don't really have an impact.
Unions are ok, but like many other groups (NATO) they just don't have anything to do nowadays. they take really dumb positions to justify their existence.

 

[buckeye45_73]

And I don’t hate all rich people just the greedy ones

So what makes a rich person greedy?

Trying to change the tax system so that it hurts the rest of us. Pay your fair share. What amount is that? Pre Reagan. Business did just fine. Look at the debt now. Look at the gap widening between them and us. How rich is too rich for democracy? It’s a conversation we haven’t had since the founders.

Pay your fair share. What amount is that? good question....now you're asking the right questions...now swallowing propaganda.
The problem with high taxes is you have to have breaks or people will leave. yeah they had higher taxes pre Reagan, but they also had a much more complicated system with way more deductions.
the problem with this, is, it helps the wealthy. they can afford better lawyers to hit all the loopholes, plus the rich have more money to invest into tax shelters (loopholes). Making taxes with less deductions only hurt the lawyers and accountants, everyone else wins, the guy that is well off but not super rich doesn't get screwed because he cant put money into tax shelters....that is lower taxes actually help people under the super rich.
you have to look at loopholes like coupons. If you're poor you might have a coupon but you don't need something and therefor can't use the coupon, so when you need it, you'll probably pay full price. But if you're rich, you can stock up with the coupons and then you can buy products not based on need but based on when you can get them cheapest. That is one reason why rich people stay and get richer...not the only reason but one, the tax one is the other.

Its also regulation, big business loves big government (lets pick Microsoft). Why? because regulations may cost Microsoft some money, but it kills anyone that wants to start a business to challenge Microsoft is they can't afford jumping through the hoops, while Microsoft can just write a small check (to them) or use a little extra manpower. A smaller business can't.

So I know these things seem odd, but when you really look at them, you see how the world actually works.

 

[buckeye45_73]

What a shocker, commies don't like republicans

They don’t like you either? Seems like no one does then.

Democrats, commies, socialists, Green Party, Australians, Arabs, jews

What a shocker, commies don't like republicans

They don’t like you either? Seems like no one does then.

Democrats, commies, socialists, Green Party, Australians, Arabs, jews

He actually get suprising democrat support.
commies, socialists, greens are all the same and I don't give a fuck about them
austrailians...huh???
arabs ????

jews
Poll: Jewish Israelis Love Trump

I mean everyone told Trump not to move it, he did and guess what, things are fine......all the crap they predicted did not happen.

Yes the same jews that loved bush love trump. Netenyahoos.

Yes I see trumps appeal to a stupid reality tv type society. Even I can say there are a couple things he’s done that I like, sorta, maybe, we shall see. The jury is out. I’m leaning no

Incorrect, the neo cons HATE Trump, because he doesn't believe in globalism, the US getting screwed in trade deals and starting wars.

They don’t hate him that much. Who McCain?

No McCain is not a neo con IMHO. some people do call him one. They also say Joe Lieberman is one, I don't agree with that either.

Neo cons were liberals in the 60s that became conservatives because of globalization and foreign policy and the fact they hated the New Left. Many were Jews (but not all of them) like Irving Kristol. His son Bill is one of the most prominent neo cons. Others would be David Frum, Max Boot, Johan Goldberg, Jeanne Kirpatrick, Elliot Abrams, and John Poderetz. There are many more. Many like Trump, but the republicans that hate Trump the most and are most vocal come from this group. The 80 something people signing a letter against Trump in 2016 came mostly from this group.

 

[S.J.]

Had you given obama a stimulus he would have rebuilt infrastructure

In fact every president has done stimulus spending.

Get back to us when you make up your mind.

You didn’t give him enough. Tight with the purse strings

$800 billion wasn't enough??? You should have just left that one alone. lol

 

[sealybobo]

Poor republicans vote against our best interest in favor of their masters because of wedge issues like god, gays, guns and racism.

how are they voting against their interest? govt programs = interest?

The only reason we had a good middle class the world had never seen before was because of things like unions, social security, Medicare, all liberal programs. Many more too.

Free markets don’t create a middle class

That's not true. we had a middle class way before that. What you are describing is socialism, really really poor or ultra rich. the thing we've always had was a real middle class, even in Europe in the pre colonial period had a merchant class which was the middle class.

how do I know? Because the middle class are merchants and professionals. We had that before unions. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, shop keepers have existed since we started.

If we didn't have social security that would effect people over 65, but tons of people are middle class under 65, so they don't really have an impact.
Unions are ok, but like many other groups (NATO) they just don't have anything to do nowadays. they take really dumb positions to justify their existence.

Yes, back in England they had what you are describing. Small rich ruling class, small merchant class and the masses poor. We’re going back to that.

You are only middle class, if you are even really middle class, if you factor in social security and Medicare. Without them you’d never retire. Call it socialism, it works.

Many people who live like they are middle class are in debt and working poor. You’d never know it though.

One word comes to mind. Feudalism.

 

[sealybobo]

And I don’t hate all rich people just the greedy ones

So what makes a rich person greedy?

Trying to change the tax system so that it hurts the rest of us. Pay your fair share. What amount is that? Pre Reagan. Business did just fine. Look at the debt now. Look at the gap widening between them and us. How rich is too rich for democracy? It’s a conversation we haven’t had since the founders.

Pay your fair share. What amount is that? good question....now you're asking the right questions...now swallowing propaganda.
The problem with high taxes is you have to have breaks or people will leave. yeah they had higher taxes pre Reagan, but they also had a much more complicated system with way more deductions.
the problem with this, is, it helps the wealthy. they can afford better lawyers to hit all the loopholes, plus the rich have more money to invest into tax shelters (loopholes). Making taxes with less deductions only hurt the lawyers and accountants, everyone else wins, the guy that is well off but not super rich doesn't get screwed because he cant put money into tax shelters....that is lower taxes actually help people under the super rich.
you have to look at loopholes like coupons. If you're poor you might have a coupon but you don't need something and therefor can't use the coupon, so when you need it, you'll probably pay full price. But if you're rich, you can stock up with the coupons and then you can buy products not based on need but based on when you can get them cheapest. That is one reason why rich people stay and get richer...not the only reason but one, the tax one is the other.

Its also regulation, big business loves big government (lets pick Microsoft). Why? because regulations may cost Microsoft some money, but it kills anyone that wants to start a business to challenge Microsoft is they can't afford jumping through the hoops, while Microsoft can just write a small check (to them) or use a little extra manpower. A smaller business can't.

So I know these things seem odd, but when you really look at them, you see how the world actually works.

Leave. But you’ll pay tariffs if you want to sell anything here. Your competition will love it

 

[rightwinger]

Trump won because of Comey and Putin

 

[buckeye45_73]

And I don’t hate all rich people just the greedy ones

So what makes a rich person greedy?

Trying to change the tax system so that it hurts the rest of us. Pay your fair share. What amount is that? Pre Reagan. Business did just fine. Look at the debt now. Look at the gap widening between them and us. How rich is too rich for democracy? It’s a conversation we haven’t had since the founders.

Pay your fair share. What amount is that? good question....now you're asking the right questions...now swallowing propaganda.
The problem with high taxes is you have to have breaks or people will leave. yeah they had higher taxes pre Reagan, but they also had a much more complicated system with way more deductions.
the problem with this, is, it helps the wealthy. they can afford better lawyers to hit all the loopholes, plus the rich have more money to invest into tax shelters (loopholes). Making taxes with less deductions only hurt the lawyers and accountants, everyone else wins, the guy that is well off but not super rich doesn't get screwed because he cant put money into tax shelters....that is lower taxes actually help people under the super rich.
you have to look at loopholes like coupons. If you're poor you might have a coupon but you don't need something and therefor can't use the coupon, so when you need it, you'll probably pay full price. But if you're rich, you can stock up with the coupons and then you can buy products not based on need but based on when you can get them cheapest. That is one reason why rich people stay and get richer...not the only reason but one, the tax one is the other.

Its also regulation, big business loves big government (lets pick Microsoft). Why? because regulations may cost Microsoft some money, but it kills anyone that wants to start a business to challenge Microsoft is they can't afford jumping through the hoops, while Microsoft can just write a small check (to them) or use a little extra manpower. A smaller business can't.

So I know these things seem odd, but when you really look at them, you see how the world actually works.

Leave. But you’ll pay tariffs if you want to sell anything here. Your competition will love it

Huh? the point of tarrifs, is the other countries have them, if they don't tax us, we don't tax them...that's good policy.
But if you do leave, you will pay those tariffs.....and if they're gone, then I guess you have no tax to pay.

 

[sealybobo]

And I don’t hate all rich people just the greedy ones

So what makes a rich person greedy?

Trying to change the tax system so that it hurts the rest of us. Pay your fair share. What amount is that? Pre Reagan. Business did just fine. Look at the debt now. Look at the gap widening between them and us. How rich is too rich for democracy? It’s a conversation we haven’t had since the founders.

Pay your fair share. What amount is that? good question....now you're asking the right questions...now swallowing propaganda.
The problem with high taxes is you have to have breaks or people will leave. yeah they had higher taxes pre Reagan, but they also had a much more complicated system with way more deductions.
the problem with this, is, it helps the wealthy. they can afford better lawyers to hit all the loopholes, plus the rich have more money to invest into tax shelters (loopholes). Making taxes with less deductions only hurt the lawyers and accountants, everyone else wins, the guy that is well off but not super rich doesn't get screwed because he cant put money into tax shelters....that is lower taxes actually help people under the super rich.
you have to look at loopholes like coupons. If you're poor you might have a coupon but you don't need something and therefor can't use the coupon, so when you need it, you'll probably pay full price. But if you're rich, you can stock up with the coupons and then you can buy products not based on need but based on when you can get them cheapest. That is one reason why rich people stay and get richer...not the only reason but one, the tax one is the other.

Its also regulation, big business loves big government (lets pick Microsoft). Why? because regulations may cost Microsoft some money, but it kills anyone that wants to start a business to challenge Microsoft is they can't afford jumping through the hoops, while Microsoft can just write a small check (to them) or use a little extra manpower. A smaller business can't.

So I know these things seem odd, but when you really look at them, you see how the world actually works.

I watched a movie called Network. Robert Duvall Ned Beatty 1970s movie. Ned went off it was great. He said, “what do you think is going to happen when you give something as powerful over to the media?”

The other thing he said that made sense to me makes me feel like I’m naive to fight against the corporations. They rule the world, not governments. Gm, shell and American steel rule not trump Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell and the Supreme Court is stacked with guys who agree with you so for at least a generation, we’ll try it your way. Let’s see how it works out for the “middle class”

 

[buckeye45_73]

Trump won because of Comey and Putin

Obama won because he was black.

 

[sealybobo]

And I don’t hate all rich people just the greedy ones

So what makes a rich person greedy?

Trying to change the tax system so that it hurts the rest of us. Pay your fair share. What amount is that? Pre Reagan. Business did just fine. Look at the debt now. Look at the gap widening between them and us. How rich is too rich for democracy? It’s a conversation we haven’t had since the founders.

Pay your fair share. What amount is that? good question....now you're asking the right questions...now swallowing propaganda.
The problem with high taxes is you have to have breaks or people will leave. yeah they had higher taxes pre Reagan, but they also had a much more complicated system with way more deductions.
the problem with this, is, it helps the wealthy. they can afford better lawyers to hit all the loopholes, plus the rich have more money to invest into tax shelters (loopholes). Making taxes with less deductions only hurt the lawyers and accountants, everyone else wins, the guy that is well off but not super rich doesn't get screwed because he cant put money into tax shelters....that is lower taxes actually help people under the super rich.
you have to look at loopholes like coupons. If you're poor you might have a coupon but you don't need something and therefor can't use the coupon, so when you need it, you'll probably pay full price. But if you're rich, you can stock up with the coupons and then you can buy products not based on need but based on when you can get them cheapest. That is one reason why rich people stay and get richer...not the only reason but one, the tax one is the other.

Its also regulation, big business loves big government (lets pick Microsoft). Why? because regulations may cost Microsoft some money, but it kills anyone that wants to start a business to challenge Microsoft is they can't afford jumping through the hoops, while Microsoft can just write a small check (to them) or use a little extra manpower. A smaller business can't.

So I know these things seem odd, but when you really look at them, you see how the world actually works.

Leave. But you’ll pay tariffs if you want to sell anything here. Your competition will love it

Huh? the point of tarrifs, is the other countries have them, if they don't tax us, we don't tax them...that's good policy.
But if you do leave, you will pay those tariffs.....and if they're gone, then I guess you have no tax to pay.

And you can’t sell here. We can tariff a company can’t we?

 

[sealybobo]

Trump won because of Comey and Putin

Don’t forget the very stupid American people. They did this. Don’t blame the bullshitters. Blame the swallowers. You raised those bad citizens.

 

[sealybobo]

Trump won because of Comey and Putin

Obama won because he was black.

Why didn’t Ben Carson?

 

[buckeye45_73]

And I don’t hate all rich people just the greedy ones

So what makes a rich person greedy?

Trying to change the tax system so that it hurts the rest of us. Pay your fair share. What amount is that? Pre Reagan. Business did just fine. Look at the debt now. Look at the gap widening between them and us. How rich is too rich for democracy? It’s a conversation we haven’t had since the founders.

Pay your fair share. What amount is that? good question....now you're asking the right questions...now swallowing propaganda.
The problem with high taxes is you have to have breaks or people will leave. yeah they had higher taxes pre Reagan, but they also had a much more complicated system with way more deductions.
the problem with this, is, it helps the wealthy. they can afford better lawyers to hit all the loopholes, plus the rich have more money to invest into tax shelters (loopholes). Making taxes with less deductions only hurt the lawyers and accountants, everyone else wins, the guy that is well off but not super rich doesn't get screwed because he cant put money into tax shelters....that is lower taxes actually help people under the super rich.
you have to look at loopholes like coupons. If you're poor you might have a coupon but you don't need something and therefor can't use the coupon, so when you need it, you'll probably pay full price. But if you're rich, you can stock up with the coupons and then you can buy products not based on need but based on when you can get them cheapest. That is one reason why rich people stay and get richer...not the only reason but one, the tax one is the other.

Its also regulation, big business loves big government (lets pick Microsoft). Why? because regulations may cost Microsoft some money, but it kills anyone that wants to start a business to challenge Microsoft is they can't afford jumping through the hoops, while Microsoft can just write a small check (to them) or use a little extra manpower. A smaller business can't.

So I know these things seem odd, but when you really look at them, you see how the world actually works.

I watched a movie called Network. Robert Duvall Ned Beatty 1970s movie. Ned went off it was great. He said, “what do you think is going to happen when you give something as powerful over to the media?”

The other thing he said that made sense to me makes me feel like I’m naive to fight against the corporations. They rule the world, not governments. Gm, shell and American steel rule not trump Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell and the Supreme Court is stacked with guys who agree with you so for at least a generation, we’ll try it your way. Let’s see how it works out for the “middle class”

Kind of. That's the problem with big business in bed with big government...it they were adversarial, it would be much much different now. But when you leave government, you go work a for a big corporation or some lobbying job. That's why I like trumps ban on lobbying. we need a press to go after both, but we have one that protects their arrangement. That's one reason we love Trump, he's one of the few people fighting the whole system. He doesn't give a fuck what they think or want. he wants to get stuff done.

 

[sealybobo]

And I don’t hate all rich people just the greedy ones

So what makes a rich person greedy?

Trying to change the tax system so that it hurts the rest of us. Pay your fair share. What amount is that? Pre Reagan. Business did just fine. Look at the debt now. Look at the gap widening between them and us. How rich is too rich for democracy? It’s a conversation we haven’t had since the founders.

Pay your fair share. What amount is that? good question....now you're asking the right questions...now swallowing propaganda.
The problem with high taxes is you have to have breaks or people will leave. yeah they had higher taxes pre Reagan, but they also had a much more complicated system with way more deductions.
the problem with this, is, it helps the wealthy. they can afford better lawyers to hit all the loopholes, plus the rich have more money to invest into tax shelters (loopholes). Making taxes with less deductions only hurt the lawyers and accountants, everyone else wins, the guy that is well off but not super rich doesn't get screwed because he cant put money into tax shelters....that is lower taxes actually help people under the super rich.
you have to look at loopholes like coupons. If you're poor you might have a coupon but you don't need something and therefor can't use the coupon, so when you need it, you'll probably pay full price. But if you're rich, you can stock up with the coupons and then you can buy products not based on need but based on when you can get them cheapest. That is one reason why rich people stay and get richer...not the only reason but one, the tax one is the other.

Its also regulation, big business loves big government (lets pick Microsoft). Why? because regulations may cost Microsoft some money, but it kills anyone that wants to start a business to challenge Microsoft is they can't afford jumping through the hoops, while Microsoft can just write a small check (to them) or use a little extra manpower. A smaller business can't.

So I know these things seem odd, but when you really look at them, you see how the world actually works.

Leave. But you’ll pay tariffs if you want to sell anything here. Your competition will love it

Huh? the point of tarrifs, is the other countries have them, if they don't tax us, we don't tax them...that's good policy.
But if you do leave, you will pay those tariffs.....and if they're gone, then I guess you have no tax to pay.

No one company has a monopoly on anything. If you can’t succeed because of taxes someone else can

 

[buckeye45_73]

Trump won because of Comey and Putin

Obama won because he was black.

Why didn’t Ben Carson?

Well mine was mocking his stupidity. But he's a republican so according to the left and most blacks, he's a traitor and not really black (they say it and yes it's racist as fuck, but what can you do)

My wife voted for him in the TN primary, I would have but voted for Cruz, because I thought he had the better shot to beat Trump.