Speak English

[Decus]

So what should it be - Cantonese or Mandarin?

 

[hoosier88]

Just saw a political commentary on local tv here in Vegas where a representative of the Philippine/Asian community was bragging how the population had grown to the point where Tagalog would soon be required to be added to the local BALLOTS!!!!!

And, while I'm fluent in Spanish, IT IS NOT an "American language". It was only spoken in a small portion of the present-day United States.

(My bold)

Yah, FL, TX, NM, AZ, CO, CA, NV & bits of other present-day states were thinly populated under Spain/Mexico, right enough. But of course, the US just HAD to expand, right up to & past the borders. (& shoot, we took road trips down to Vera Cruz, Cd. Mexico.) & then we got the Pill, & recently lots of electromagnetic devices, & hormones in our food, & hormone-mimicing chem in our food & now our sperm counts are off & neonatal diseases are up, strange developmental issues are increasing.

In 2009 (NYT Almanac), the US was the 6th worldwide in people who consider Spanish their first language, @ 20 million. So, good thing that you're fluent. ¡Viva! But look on the bright side - if they'll admit it - some won't - you can also converse in Spanish with your Philippine friends ...

 

[longknife]

If Puerto Rico becomes a state, then they will just have to learn English. The whole nation isn't going to change to accommodate them.

(My bold)

I'm sure the Iroquois, the Cherokee, Navajo, Sioux & on & on would heartily agree with you. (& where are they now?)

That's the problem when you go blundering about the World, staking a claim to lands already held. PR & the Philippines were already occupied & governed when we decided to have a war. PR hardly resisted, they were restive under Spanish rule. In Cuba, we had some fight. In the Philippines, we co-opted the revolutionaries, escorted the Spanish out, & then claimed the islands for ourselves, & dissolved our eternal pal-ship with the revolutionaries. A long war ensued there.

For that matter, TX & the entire present-day SW of the US were either Spanish or Native Peoples' land when we first ran into them.

& after absorbing the Native Peoples, French, Germans, Dutch, Italians, Jews, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, Black, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Hmong & lots & lots of other peoples along the way - it's far too late to be crying Nativist.

Oh really! And just how many soldiers Spain and then Mexico had to control this territory?
With 21 missions in Upper California, there were less than 200 soldiers. Even less in Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas - with none in Colorado or Utah. And, when Mexico gained its independence, there were even fewer!

And, as for California, when Mexico gained its independence the true power in the area were the Californios, Mestizos who were given land grants in return for their service as soldiers. The Mexican governors had little or no authority - except to sell off mission/Indian lands.

 

[LoneLaugher]

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Well, the answer here is obvious.

Expecting people who live and work in America to actually understand fundamental English might hurt their feelings. It's up to us to make life easier for these people by accomodating them in any way possible, no matter what. Their feelings should never be hurt. It's in the Constitution, look it up.

People who move to, live in, and work in America shouldn't have to assimilate until they're damn good and ready to, if ever. Expectations and standards aren't fair and should be discouraged and/or avoided at all times.

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Build that bitch huge! When it comes to strawmen, the bigger the better.

I thought you had spent some time abroad? Ever see any English while visiting other countries?

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

I can't believe we're still hearing this kind of crap with regard to Spanish. It's a bona fide American language, whether anyone likes it or not. It's the main language of Puerto Rico and when it becomes a state the last vestige of "otherness" will have to drop away. So, get used to it.

No.

In fact we just told a vendor in Latin America that if they couldn't provide an English speaking liaison, the $1.3kk in sales is going away Oct 1. English is the language we do business in (avoids language errs, omissions, traps in contracts). If the Chinese and hard core frenchy kebekkers can provide English speaking liaisons, so can Latins.

Next.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I can't believe we're still hearing this kind of crap with regard to Spanish. It's a bona fide American language, whether anyone likes it or not. It's the main language of Puerto Rico and when it becomes a state the last vestige of "otherness" will have to drop away. So, get used to it.

No.

In fact we just told a vendor in Latin America that if they couldn't provide an English speaking liaison, the $1.3kk in sales is going away Oct 1. English is the language we do business in (avoids language errs, omissions, traps in contracts). If the Chinese and hard core frenchy kebekkers can provide English speaking liaisons, so can Latins.

Next.

Arrogant company you have there. Why not buy American?

 

[konradv]

Fuck it, what's so special about hispancis that they get all of these accomodations and signs. I want signs put up in Yiddish. That's what my ancestors spoke. except they had to be bothered to learn english. So hispanics get special treatment, and I'm being discriminated against as a result.

When they get their own state come back and talk to us. Spanish is a major language in the hemisphere and the primary one in a US territory that may very well become a state. Can't say that about Yiddish, sorry.

 

[konradv]

I can't believe we're still hearing this kind of crap with regard to Spanish. It's a bona fide American language, whether anyone likes it or not. It's the main language of Puerto Rico and when it becomes a state the last vestige of "otherness" will have to drop away. So, get used to it.

No.

In fact we just told a vendor in Latin America that if they couldn't provide an English speaking liaison, the $1.3kk in sales is going away Oct 1. English is the language we do business in (avoids language errs, omissions, traps in contracts). If the Chinese and hard core frenchy kebekkers can provide English speaking liaisons, so can Latins.

Next.

Sounds like you work for a dumbshit company! I'd have to wonder about the future of a business that can't see the writing on the wall. Well, thank liberals for unemployment insurance and good luck.

 

[Mac1958]

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Well, the answer here is obvious.

Expecting people who live and work in America to actually understand fundamental English might hurt their feelings. It's up to us to make life easier for these people by accomodating them in any way possible, no matter what. Their feelings should never be hurt. It's in the Constitution, look it up.

People who move to, live in, and work in America shouldn't have to assimilate until they're damn good and ready to, if ever. Expectations and standards aren't fair and should be discouraged and/or avoided at all times.

.

Build that bitch huge! When it comes to strawmen, the bigger the better.

I thought you had spent some time abroad? Ever see any English while visiting other countries?

Did I say anything with which you disagree?

If so, perhaps you can address it directly.

.

 

[AmyNation]

At 1st glance, I thought "this seems really stupid, it's not discrimination to have things in English". But then I read...

"The complaint accused the campus of purposely leaving employees that only speak Spanish in the dark on the terms and conditions of their employment, changes in their working status, safety and more"

Seems they are basically accusing the university of hiring them knowing their lack of English skills and using that against them to keep information that those who can speak and read English would have.

If true, I could see that as being a valid case.

 

[jasonnfree]

Just saw a political commentary on local tv here in Vegas where a representative of the Philippine/Asian community was bragging how the population had grown to the point where Tagalog would soon be required to be added to the local BALLOTS!!!!!

And, while I'm fluent in Spanish, IT IS NOT an "American language". It was only spoken in a small portion of the present-day United States.

(My bold)

Yah, FL, TX, NM, AZ, CO, CA, NV & bits of other present-day states were thinly populated under Spain/Mexico, right enough. But of course, the US just HAD to expand, right up to & past the borders. (& shoot, we took road trips down to Vera Cruz, Cd. Mexico.) & then we got the Pill, & recently lots of electromagnetic devices, & hormones in our food, & hormone-mimicing chem in our food & now our sperm counts are off & neonatal diseases are up, strange developmental issues are increasing.

In 2009 (NYT Almanac), the US was the 6th worldwide in people who consider Spanish their first language, @ 20 million. So, good thing that you're fluent. ¡Viva! But look on the bright side - if they'll admit it - some won't - you can also converse in Spanish with your Philippine friends ...

If America is to survive, forget history 101. Mass immigration of poor, uneducated third worlders is not the way to right any wrongs of the past. And allowing Muslims into our country is like throwing common sense out the window. We should have a freeze on immigration due to our high unemployment problem, and money spent investigating and deporting Muslim troublemakers should be high on the list. The Boston bombing last month should be a wake up call.

 

[LoneLaugher]

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Well, the answer here is obvious.

Expecting people who live and work in America to actually understand fundamental English might hurt their feelings. It's up to us to make life easier for these people by accomodating them in any way possible, no matter what. Their feelings should never be hurt. It's in the Constitution, look it up.

People who move to, live in, and work in America shouldn't have to assimilate until they're damn good and ready to, if ever. Expectations and standards aren't fair and should be discouraged and/or avoided at all times.

.

Build that bitch huge! When it comes to strawmen, the bigger the better.

I thought you had spent some time abroad? Ever see any English while visiting other countries?

Did I say anything with which you disagree?

If so, perhaps you can address it directly.

.

Shit.

You come he and post that whining crap and expect what? Hurt feelings? No expectations? All bullshit whining. Made up bullshit whining.

Any move to incorporate Spanish ( or any other language ) into daily life here is motivated by a desire for profits on the part of businesses or a realization that it is cost effective on the part of municipalities.

Quit your whining.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Just saw a political commentary on local tv here in Vegas where a representative of the Philippine/Asian community was bragging how the population had grown to the point where Tagalog would soon be required to be added to the local BALLOTS!!!!!

And, while I'm fluent in Spanish, IT IS NOT an "American language". It was only spoken in a small portion of the present-day United States.

(My bold)

Yah, FL, TX, NM, AZ, CO, CA, NV & bits of other present-day states were thinly populated under Spain/Mexico, right enough. But of course, the US just HAD to expand, right up to & past the borders. (& shoot, we took road trips down to Vera Cruz, Cd. Mexico.) & then we got the Pill, & recently lots of electromagnetic devices, & hormones in our food, & hormone-mimicing chem in our food & now our sperm counts are off & neonatal diseases are up, strange developmental issues are increasing.

In 2009 (NYT Almanac), the US was the 6th worldwide in people who consider Spanish their first language, @ 20 million. So, good thing that you're fluent. ¡Viva! But look on the bright side - if they'll admit it - some won't - you can also converse in Spanish with your Philippine friends ...

If America is to survive, forget history 101. Mass immigration of poor, uneducated third worlders is not the way to right any wrongs of the past. And allowing Muslims into our country is like throwing common sense out the window. We should have a freeze on immigration due to our high unemployment problem, and money spent investigating and deporting Muslim troublemakers should be high on the list. The Boston bombing last month should be a wake up call.

Wrong thread, asshole.

 

[Mac1958]

Build that bitch huge! When it comes to strawmen, the bigger the better.

I thought you had spent some time abroad? Ever see any English while visiting other countries?

Did I say anything with which you disagree?

If so, perhaps you can address it directly.

.

Shit.

You come he and post that whining crap and expect what? Hurt feelings? No expectations? All bullshit whining. Made up bullshit whining.

Any move to incorporate Spanish ( or any other language ) into daily life here is motivated by a desire for profits on the part of businesses or a realization that it is cost effective on the part of municipalities.

Quit your whining.

Yikes.

I wasn't whining, but I've definitely noticed how consistently my posts upset you. I would strongly suggest utilizing the "ignore" feature made so famous by Poet. No doubt he can show you how.

Or, I guess I can just say you're whining, too, when you express displeasure with something, anything.

Whichever.

.

 

[Montrovant]

Build that bitch huge! When it comes to strawmen, the bigger the better.

I thought you had spent some time abroad? Ever see any English while visiting other countries?

Did I say anything with which you disagree?

If so, perhaps you can address it directly.

.

Shit.

You come he and post that whining crap and expect what? Hurt feelings? No expectations? All bullshit whining. Made up bullshit whining.

Any move to incorporate Spanish ( or any other language ) into daily life here is motivated by a desire for profits on the part of businesses or a realization that it is cost effective on the part of municipalities.

Quit your whining.

I think you left out another motive, pandering for votes.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

[Bullshit deleted].
So, get used to it.

No.

In fact we just told a vendor in Latin America that if they couldn't provide an English speaking liaison, the $1.3kk in sales is going away Oct 1. English is the language we do business in (avoids language errs, omissions, traps in contracts). If the Chinese and hard core frenchy kebekkers can provide English speaking liaisons, so can Latins.

Next.

Sounds like you work for a dumbshit company! I'd have to wonder about the future of a business that can't see the writing on the wall. Well, thank liberals for unemployment insurance and good luck.

That is pretty funny. The Fortune 100 corporation I made that decision for is routinely ranked among the best run corporations on earth and has paid a dividend for enough years that if I listed the number, it would be easy to identify.

See, here is how it works: not everyone is a clueless loser.

Law is increasingly complex. One wrong word can cost a lot of money in litigation if not in execution costs. Consequently, we do business in the business language of earth: English. It was my decision to extend that to the discussion level. Consistency is the word. Nothing arrogant about it.

Here is where arrogance comes in: the idea that decent Americans should have to communicate with the dregs of the earth IN AMERICA in some shit for brains language appalls me.

There. That should satisfy your need to feel moral superiority.

 

[Harry Dresden]

If Puerto Rico becomes a state, then they will just have to learn English. The whole nation isn't going to change to accommodate them.

English is widely spoken in Puerto Rico....

 

[LoneLaugher]

Did I say anything with which you disagree?

If so, perhaps you can address it directly.

.

Shit.

You come he and post that whining crap and expect what? Hurt feelings? No expectations? All bullshit whining. Made up bullshit whining.

Any move to incorporate Spanish ( or any other language ) into daily life here is motivated by a desire for profits on the part of businesses or a realization that it is cost effective on the part of municipalities.

Quit your whining.

Yikes.

I wasn't whining, but I've definitely noticed how consistently my posts upset you. I would strongly suggest utilizing the "ignore" feature made so famous by Poet. No doubt he can show you how.

Or, I guess I can just say you're whining, too, when you express displeasure with something, anything.

Whichever.

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Your crusade is against all things "PC"....real or imagined. Perhaps mine is to expose and denounce passive aggressive whiners.

Ignore you? Don't be silly. You are one of the smart ones here. If not for you and a few others, you'd not see me here at all. I'd be too embarrassed.

How about you just take a look at yourself....and realize, as in this thread, that you are often a passive aggressive whiner. Maybe make an adjustment?

 

[buckeye45_73]

At 1st glance, I thought "this seems really stupid, it's not discrimination to have things in English". But then I read...

"The complaint accused the campus of purposely leaving employees that only speak Spanish in the dark on the terms and conditions of their employment, changes in their working status, safety and more"

Seems they are basically accusing the university of hiring them knowing their lack of English skills and using that against them to keep information that those who can speak and read English would have.

If true, I could see that as being a valid case.

That is true, the ironic thing, is the people that do that stuff and generally the ones that support amnesty, now we know why.....Sick people indeed.

 

[Mac1958]

Shit.

You come he and post that whining crap and expect what? Hurt feelings? No expectations? All bullshit whining. Made up bullshit whining.

Any move to incorporate Spanish ( or any other language ) into daily life here is motivated by a desire for profits on the part of businesses or a realization that it is cost effective on the part of municipalities.

Quit your whining.

Yikes.

I wasn't whining, but I've definitely noticed how consistently my posts upset you. I would strongly suggest utilizing the "ignore" feature made so famous by Poet. No doubt he can show you how.

Or, I guess I can just say you're whining, too, when you express displeasure with something, anything.

Whichever.

.

Your crusade is against all things "PC"....real or imagined. Perhaps mine is to expose and denounce passive aggressive whiners.

Ignore you? Don't be silly. You are one of the smart ones here. If not for you and a few others, you'd not see me here at all. I'd be too embarrassed.

How about you just take a look at yourself....and realize, as in this thread, that you are often a passive aggressive whiner. Maybe make an adjustment?

Oh, quit whining.

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