Soldier: Obama not U.S. born, can't send me to Afghanistan

[CrimsonWhite]

i guess lying on applications under penalty of perjury is no big deal...if he wasn't born here...

How do you prove perjury? He has a Hawaii birth certificate.

if he knew he wasn't born in the US...

Tough to prove that he knew it, if he was born in Kenya.

There is definately smoke here. Maybe there is a fire, time will tell.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

It's hardly clear if the Framers meant "on our soil" or not. Interesting article here: Natural born citizen of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What the heel does the Framer's intent have to do with anything? We have SCOTUS rulings. Two of them. Elk v. Wilkins and United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

These two rulings outlined who qualifes and who does not.

These people qualify:

-Children born to U.S. citizens

-Children born to aliens who are lawfully inside the United States who intend to obey its laws

Obama qualifies under the bolded part, no matter what the geography is.

geography does matter....if only one parent is a citizen and that is obama's case...

Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents). The U.S. Congress is responsible for enacting laws that determine how citizenship is conveyed by a U.S. citizen parent or parents according to the principle of jus sanguinis. These laws are contained in the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Information on who is a citizen or national at birth can be found in the following sections of the INA: § 301, § 302, § 303, § 304, § 305, § 306, § 307, § 308, and § 309.

USCIS - Naturalization Eligibility

ProPublish Reference

I have a very limited knowledge of Immigration and Naturalization Law. After going through the INA, I have to admit, there is smoke here. It has to be proven that he was born in Kenya, though. At this point it might be easier to prove that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

What the heel does the Framer's intent have to do with anything? We have SCOTUS rulings. Two of them. Elk v. Wilkins and United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

These two rulings outlined who qualifes and who does not.

These people qualify:

-Children born to U.S. citizens

-Children born to aliens who are lawfully inside the United States who intend to obey its laws

Obama qualifies under the bolded part, no matter what the geography is.

geography does matter....if only one parent is a citizen and that is obama's case...

Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents). The U.S. Congress is responsible for enacting laws that determine how citizenship is conveyed by a U.S. citizen parent or parents according to the principle of jus sanguinis. These laws are contained in the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Information on who is a citizen or national at birth can be found in the following sections of the INA: § 301, § 302, § 303, § 304, § 305, § 306, § 307, § 308, and § 309.

USCIS - Naturalization Eligibility

ProPublish Reference

I have a very limited knowledge of Immigration and Naturalization Law. After going through the INA, I have to admit, there is smoke here. It has to be proven that he was born in Kenya, though. At this point it might be easier to prove that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll.

The last info I saw on those who went to Kenya to look into it, the Socialist Kenyan Government, headed by a socialist who King Hussein went to Kenya and personally campaigned for, told those reporters to get out of the country or 'else'... whereupon, they got out.

But I'm sure that it's NOTHIN'... I mean its perfectly reasonable to assume that just because a government threatens people who are looking through otherwise public records, that this doesn't HAVE to be because there's something in those records which that government doesn't want those people to find...

 

[Yurt]

What the heel does the Framer's intent have to do with anything? We have SCOTUS rulings. Two of them. Elk v. Wilkins and United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

These two rulings outlined who qualifes and who does not.

These people qualify:

-Children born to U.S. citizens

-Children born to aliens who are lawfully inside the United States who intend to obey its laws

Obama qualifies under the bolded part, no matter what the geography is.

geography does matter....if only one parent is a citizen and that is obama's case...

Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents). The U.S. Congress is responsible for enacting laws that determine how citizenship is conveyed by a U.S. citizen parent or parents according to the principle of jus sanguinis. These laws are contained in the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Information on who is a citizen or national at birth can be found in the following sections of the INA: § 301, § 302, § 303, § 304, § 305, § 306, § 307, § 308, and § 309.

USCIS - Naturalization Eligibility

ProPublish Reference

I have a very limited knowledge of Immigration and Naturalization Law. After going through the INA, I have to admit, there is smoke here. It has to be proven that he was born in Kenya, though. At this point it might be easier to prove that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll.

in total agreement....

IMO, releasing a copy of the original is key to laying this to rest or showing someone lied....

 

[DavidS]

How is it we are throwing out good American soldiers, hundreds of them, from the military, men and women who have served our military with honor over the years, men and women who have helped protect and save lives, men and women who have been injured and nearly died for this country all the while being gay and this coward we still have room for in our military??

 

[Sunni Man]

How is it we are throwing out good American soldiers, hundreds of them, from the military, men and women who have served our military with honor over the years, men and women who have helped protect and save lives, men and women who have been injured and nearly died for this country all the while being gay and this coward we still have room for in our military??

Simple

Because he is NOT a sick perverted faggot

 

[geauxtohell]

The Army just rescinded Cook's orders. Apparently, since Cook volunteered, his orders could be rescended (by his request or decision of the Army) at any time prior to reporting. This is a much different situation than an involuntarily mobilized soldier.

So now Cook gets to return to his reserve unit and look like the giant fuck up that he is.

His little birth certificate ploy failed, and I am sure his next OER will "reflect" his little PR stunt.

 

[Article 15]

The Army just rescinded Cook's orders. Apparently, since Cook volunteered, his orders could be rescended (by his request or decision of the Army) at any time prior to reporting. This is a much different situation than an involuntarily mobilized soldier.

So now Cook gets to return to his reserve unit and look like the giant fuck up that he is.

His little birth certificate ploy failed, and I am sure his next OER will "reflect" his little PR stunt.

This shit really blows my mind. I mean I think back to my squadron commanders who were either Majors or Lt Colonels at the time and try to imagine one of them trying to pull something like this and I can't do it. You gotta be really out there I think.

 

[Maple]

BUT WHY CAN'T HE PRODUCE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. If he was really born in the USA it's pretty darn easy to get a duplicate copy. I have and I am older than he is, my husband had to send in a request and he got his in just two weeks, so you have to ask yourself what's the problem here. God forbid we elected someone who is not eligible to be President of the United States, what a freegin mess that would be.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:45 PM

Supreme Court to Hear Obama birthplace suit

If the our system works as planned and the law prevails, this fraud and liar could be removed from office.

Snopes mentioned this in a short statement, but did not elaborate.

(Now we know why he is so eager to get Sottomayer appointed!)

BOMBSHELL…Supreme Court now has Obama Citizeenship

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.

The transcript was released by Occidental College in

compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president.

When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.

Britain 's Daily Mail

 

[geauxtohell]

This shit really blows my mind. I mean I think back to my squadron commanders who were either Majors or Lt Colonels at the time and try to imagine one of them trying to pull something like this and I can't do it. You gotta be really out there I think.

Well they wouldn't for two reasons:

1.) They were professional soldiers.
2.) They had no desire to take a flamethrower to their careers.

Cook didn't have much to lose. He was beyond his 20 year mark, so even if he tubes his meager career, he'll cash out and leave (though not the birther hero he thought he was going to be).

At first, I was a little shocked by the Army's decision. However, after dealing with HRC-STL, I am not really at all surprised in retrospect. Cook was beyond any sort of mandatory obligation to the Army and was on voluntary indefinate status, which means he could leave the military anytime he wanted. In that context, it makes sense that the Army policy would be to allow mobilization volunteers to drop out prior to reporting. Thus, it was just easier for the Army to rescind his orders and find another officer to go in his stead.

Of course the birthers are going to scream that this was "orders from the top" to avoid the issue, but Cook's case was so weak to begin with (I discussed the jurisdictional problems behind it earlier) that it's wishful thinking at best. I imagine the COL Good simply saying "I don't have time to go to Georgia for some frivelous suit. Just cut this guy loose".

Now he gets to return to his reserve unit and with his tin-foil beret on.

 

[geauxtohell]

BUT WHY CAN'T HE PRODUCE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. If he was really born in the USA it's pretty darn easy to get a duplicate copy. I have and I am older than he is, my husband had to send in a request and he got his in just two weeks, so you have to ask yourself what's the problem here. God forbid we elected someone who is not eligible to be President of the United States, what a freegin mess that would be.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:45 PM

Supreme Court to Hear Obama birthplace suit

If the our system works as planned and the law prevails, this fraud and liar could be removed from office.

Snopes mentioned this in a short statement, but did not elaborate.

(Now we know why he is so eager to get Sottomayer appointed!)

BOMBSHELL…Supreme Court now has Obama Citizeenship

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.

The transcript was released by Occidental College in

compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president.

When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.

Britain 's Daily Mail

Uh, link?

 

[EriktheRed]

The Army just rescinded Cook's orders. Apparently, since Cook volunteered, his orders could be rescended (by his request or decision of the Army) at any time prior to reporting. This is a much different situation than an involuntarily mobilized soldier.

So now Cook gets to return to his reserve unit and look like the giant fuck up that he is.

His little birth certificate ploy failed, and I am sure his next OER will "reflect" his little PR stunt.

This shit really blows my mind. I mean I think back to my squadron commanders who were either Majors or Lt Colonels at the time and try to imagine one of them trying to pull something like this and I can't do it. You gotta be really out there I think.

You were in the 2nd ACR too, right?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

How is it we are throwing out good American soldiers, hundreds of them, from the military, men and women who have served our military with honor over the years, men and women who have helped protect and save lives, men and women who have been injured and nearly died for this country all the while being gay and this coward we still have room for in our military??

Wow... so in one paragraph... All sexual deviants in the US Military, are Terrorist Killing patriots, who fought at the tip of the spear to save America from the blood thirsty hordes... Despite their simply BEING HOMOSEXUAL and being in the US Military, representing a violation of their personal honor.

And this Army Major... who just happens to take his oathe of office seriously... and who is risking his reputation, his freedom, his career and of course all the priviliges thereof... by officially challenging an outrageously dubious birth certification of his would-be Cinc; he's a coward...

ROFLMNAO...

Oh GOD that's precious....

Funny stuff...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The Army just rescinded Cook's orders. Apparently, since Cook volunteered, his orders could be rescended (by his request or decision of the Army) at any time prior to reporting. This is a much different situation than an involuntarily mobilized soldier.

So now Cook gets to return to his reserve unit and look like the giant fuck up that he is.

His little birth certificate ploy failed, and I am sure his next OER will "reflect" his little PR stunt.

It failed?

ROFLMNAO...

I'd love to see your math on that one...

First, his claim has standing... Second; he isn't being sent to combat to serve under a dubious authority... and third; I seriously doubt that he'll be the last to advance that case.

Elections have consequences and when you make poor choices in a President, it's gonna bite ya in the ass... Check your unemployment rate skippy... Check your debt and the CURRENT Federal deficit...

Honeymoon's almost over and this one is not going to end well.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

This shit really blows my mind. I mean I think back to my squadron commanders who were either Majors or Lt Colonels at the time and try to imagine one of them trying to pull something like this and I can't do it. You gotta be really out there I think.

Well they wouldn't for two reasons:

1.) They were professional soldiers.
2.) They had no desire to take a flamethrower to their careers.

Cook didn't have much to lose. He was beyond his 20 year mark, so even if he tubes his meager career, he'll cash out and leave (though not the birther hero he thought he was going to be).

At first, I was a little shocked by the Army's decision. However, after dealing with HRC-STL, I am not really at all surprised in retrospect. Cook was beyond any sort of mandatory obligation to the Army and was on voluntary indefinate status, which means he could leave the military anytime he wanted. In that context, it makes sense that the Army policy would be to allow mobilization volunteers to drop out prior to reporting. Thus, it was just easier for the Army to rescind his orders and find another officer to go in his stead.

Of course the birthers are going to scream that this was "orders from the top" to avoid the issue, but Cook's case was so weak to begin with (I discussed the jurisdictional problems behind it earlier) that it's wishful thinking at best. I imagine the COL Good simply saying "I don't have time to go to Georgia for some frivelous suit. Just cut this guy loose".

Now he gets to return to his reserve unit and with his tin-foil beret on.

Again friends... what you're looking at here is an imbecile who claims to be a US Citizen (not to be confused with an American) and who doesn't give a flaming red rats ass that the BOY King can't produce anything beyond the SLIMMEST of evidence that he was in fact BORN on US Soil... as per the requirement of the US Constitution.

Now when I tell you that THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS... that is the sort of thing that I'm talking about.

 

[Article 15]

The Army just rescinded Cook's orders. Apparently, since Cook volunteered, his orders could be rescended (by his request or decision of the Army) at any time prior to reporting. This is a much different situation than an involuntarily mobilized soldier.

So now Cook gets to return to his reserve unit and look like the giant fuck up that he is.

His little birth certificate ploy failed, and I am sure his next OER will "reflect" his little PR stunt.

This shit really blows my mind. I mean I think back to my squadron commanders who were either Majors or Lt Colonels at the time and try to imagine one of them trying to pull something like this and I can't do it. You gotta be really out there I think.

You were in the 2nd ACR too, right?

Nope I was in the 43rd CS ... I can't find a pic of our logo but here's the one for my Air Wing.

 

[Article 15]

This shit really blows my mind. I mean I think back to my squadron commanders who were either Majors or Lt Colonels at the time and try to imagine one of them trying to pull something like this and I can't do it. You gotta be really out there I think.

Well they wouldn't for two reasons:

1.) They were professional soldiers.
2.) They had no desire to take a flamethrower to their careers.

Cook didn't have much to lose. He was beyond his 20 year mark, so even if he tubes his meager career, he'll cash out and leave (though not the birther hero he thought he was going to be).

At first, I was a little shocked by the Army's decision. However, after dealing with HRC-STL, I am not really at all surprised in retrospect. Cook was beyond any sort of mandatory obligation to the Army and was on voluntary indefinate status, which means he could leave the military anytime he wanted. In that context, it makes sense that the Army policy would be to allow mobilization volunteers to drop out prior to reporting. Thus, it was just easier for the Army to rescind his orders and find another officer to go in his stead.

Of course the birthers are going to scream that this was "orders from the top" to avoid the issue, but Cook's case was so weak to begin with (I discussed the jurisdictional problems behind it earlier) that it's wishful thinking at best. I imagine the COL Good simply saying "I don't have time to go to Georgia for some frivelous suit. Just cut this guy loose".

Now he gets to return to his reserve unit and with his tin-foil beret on.

Again friends... what you're looking at here is an imbecile who claims to be a US Citizen (not to be confused with an American) and who doesn't give a flaming red rats ass that the BOY King can't produce anything beyond the SLIMMEST of evidence that he was in fact BORN on US Soil... as per the requirement of the US Constitution.

Now when I tell you that THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS... that is the sort of thing that I'm talking about.

geauxtohell is more of an American than you will ever dream to be, Pubie

 

[Emma]

The Army just rescinded Cook's orders. Apparently, since Cook volunteered, his orders could be rescended (by his request or decision of the Army) at any time prior to reporting. This is a much different situation than an involuntarily mobilized soldier.

So now Cook gets to return to his reserve unit and look like the giant fuck up that he is.

His little birth certificate ploy failed, and I am sure his next OER will "reflect" his little PR stunt.

???

All you have to do is throw a tantrum and you can get out of deployment? That's fucked up.

 

[Diuretic]

MACON — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is seeking a federal court order to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.

In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the United States District Court, Middle District of Georgia — Cook's California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that President Barrack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of U.S Armed Forces.

Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command, and that Plaintiff would thus be simultaneously unable to perform his duties in good Rule 65(b) Application for Temporary Restraining Order 22 conscience and yet be simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

Soldier: Obama not U.S. born, can't send me to Afghanistan - Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com

I wish people would drop this citizen horseshit.

That was the original title, the Hays Code forced them to call it Citizen Kane instead.

 

[jillian]

geauxtohell is more of an American than you will ever dream to be, Pubie

ain't that the truth!